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I cannot believe this! I am crying right now! I laughed so hard after reading this that now I'm crying!
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I cannot believe this! I am crying right now! I laughed so hard after reading this that now I'm crying!
Wesley_pipes_27
Bluelighter
^^This is funny.
It's been 36+ hours since I missed a small part of a shot of bupe into the top of my hand. Everything seems fine now, even the soreness is almost gone. I think that it's going to be alright, I haven't seen any signs of infection or abscess. I was really worried there for a while, I haven't ever had that happen before and I definitely didn't want to end up with an abscess. Thanks to Euphoria for his input.
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Captain.Heroin
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WOW 50mcg shots... it is 0.05mg right? I read that with bupe "less is more" but, SO less?
I don't use to shot my bupe anymore, i'm trying to get off the scars produced by the needles over my veins so... Tomorrow I'll try to snort only 0.1mg (difficult to scale XD) and see what happens(Now I'm taking about 1mg twice a day insuflated)
I'm sorry reading you are in a lot of pain Captain, and beeing already on "pain-killers" for sure difficults the situation... I hope you get better soon
And.. have you tried doses under 50mcg? Results?
It's amazing how strong buprenorphine is..
Happy 2011 to all BLers!
I have used ~25 mcg per shot for a while now and it's where I wanted to be.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Yeah I have taken NSAIDS
I was given a prescription for 5mg oxycodone. Bupe (Even 1/100th of that amount) and weed do more for me. So I just don't take the oxycodone.
You are very nice for suggesting this but I am over the hump of agonizing, extreme pain. Plus, my fiancee is a pain patient and likely will be one for the rest of her life; if anyone is going to a pain clinic, it is her.
need some help
Greenlighter
WOW 50mcg shots... it is 0.05mg right? I read that with bupe "less is more" but, SO less?
I don't use to shot my bupe anymore, i'm trying to get off the scars produced by the needles over my veins so... Tomorrow I'll try to snort only 0.1mg (difficult to scale XD) and see what happens
I'm sorry reading you are in a lot of pain Captain, and beeing already on "pain-killers" for sure difficults the situation... I hope you get better soon
And.. have you tried doses under 50mcg? Results?
It's amazing how strong buprenorphine is..
Happy 2011 to all BLers!
Let me know how that goes for you! My hand becomes "The Hand" from Idle Hands when i try and cut a line any smaller that 1mg. Right now i'm dosing the same as you, so if good things happen perhaps i'll wield my blade even more lightly. i should say hand a few more times in this post. Hand.
C.H. hope you're feeling better soon, it's a little freaky being on the subs and knowing your bones aren't aware that you can't kill the pain if they decide to break on you. MEND!
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Thanks.
Opiates will still work while on Suboxone as long as you don't take a large dose.
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Greenlighter
Catcalls was quoting someone else who tossed in a "fact". i think he was trying to explain what the statements originator might have meant. Cleared up everyone? Sorry, a little slow on the pick it up put it down, but better late than never.
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haden
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Out of curiosity (I am going to try and stick with just bupe) how low of a dose of bupe would one have to take to be able to still feel full agonist opiates?
And when you say they will still work, does this mean you can feel all of the opiate's effects, or does the bupe block out some of the effect? I would assume there would be less euphoria...
need some help
Greenlighter
WHOAHHHH, what? i guess i should start off by asking what a large dose is. i've been around it quite a lot and didn't bother because i thought i'd get sick, or, waste a bunch of ops. Its this apparent illusion that has kept me clean these two months, when my will power was shit and i wanted to take something just to take something. i'm stabilized now as far as cravings are concerned, but what i really liked about suboxone (i thought) was that if i was having a weak moment it wouldn't matter anyway, since the substance would be rendered ineffective. Once the moment passed, and i was thinking clearly i would have made it out the other side unscathed. Why does it seem so hard to get all this shit straight???? i thought on subutex you could use opiates...
Oh yeah, how'd you break your arm?
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Captain.Heroin
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A large dose would be more than 8mg of bupe taken sublingually.
You get sick only when you are on opiates, and then take Suboxone before the drug has left your mu opioid receptors. This happens because the buprenorphine itself (not the naloxone) displaces the full agonist on your mu opioid receptors.
Subutex and Suboxone are functionally the same thing.
How did I break my arm? I was walking (sober), and then before I knew it, I slipped on ice, and fell on my hand. It instantly went completely numb (absolutely no feeling, not the same sensation you get on heroin that people call "numb") and I couldn't move it whatsoever.
It was easily the most painful thing I have ever experienced. It was the most psychologically horrifying thing that has ever happened to me (or at the least, it ties for first place). I am still in a lot of pain, but it is so much less pain compared to the first week.
I believe it would vary from person to person.
I could use 2mg Suboxone sublingually and use heroin within 8 hours, same high I got before Suboxone.
I also can IV bupe (more than I do now) and then IV 1mg dilaudid < 4 hours later; got as high as I imagined possible.
haden
Bluelighter
That is good to know. I am not sure if this experience is from when you are on maintenance, or if you you were using suboxone to stave off withdrawals (not sure if you ever have) between normal opiate use/abuse.
I assume when people tell me I have to wait 72 hours after last dose of suboxone, they are speaking of high dose maintenance, i.e. more than 8mg day.
(If you were using while on maintenance) After using heroin/ dilaudid, were you able to continue your suboxone dosages on your normal dosing schedule with no problems?
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Znegative
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it does vary from person to person, but in my experience, most opiates/opioids will break through if you're on a maintenance dosage of about 4 mg or under.
You can usually even take 8 to 16 mg and get high the next day, as long as your maintenance dosage has been a steady 2-4 mg. For a while I would switch from doing a bundle a day for a week or two, back to a really high dosage of suboxone (32 to 40 mg) and then switch back to heroin within a couple of days and as long as I waited about 24 hours, I would still get high. The trick is to not let the half lives build up too much. You also have the most hope of getting high if you use more potent opioids (obviously), because pills hydrocodone and codeine are actually weaker than buprenorphine. I.V heroin, oxycodone, and oxymorphone have always worked the best for me, but with the exception of the oxymorphone, I HAD to shoot it, or I just wouldn't feel the junk.
Another REALLY good opioid that easily breaks through suboxone is actually methadone. However methadone really doesn't give that great a head to me, but I can feel it's effects if I take as low a dosage as 10 mg. I'm actually thinking about possibly switching over to methadone, as I feel the suboxone is not really reducing my cravings. The only problem is that I live with my family and do not have a job (I'm in school), and after the last time that I was on MMT (which didn't go so well), I think they're disgusted by methadone treatment. However I feel that my opiate habit has become way more serious in the last year, and maybe having that structure in my day (having to go to the clinic) would be a positive thing, or at least worth a try.
You can usually even take 8 to 16 mg and get high the next day, as long as your maintenance dosage has been a steady 2-4 mg. For a while I would switch from doing a bundle a day for a week or two, back to a really high dosage of suboxone (32 to 40 mg) and then switch back to heroin within a couple of days and as long as I waited about 24 hours, I would still get high. The trick is to not let the half lives build up too much. You also have the most hope of getting high if you use more potent opioids (obviously), because pills hydrocodone and codeine are actually weaker than buprenorphine. I.V heroin, oxycodone, and oxymorphone have always worked the best for me, but with the exception of the oxymorphone, I HAD to shoot it, or I just wouldn't feel the junk.
Another REALLY good opioid that easily breaks through suboxone is actually methadone. However methadone really doesn't give that great a head to me, but I can feel it's effects if I take as low a dosage as 10 mg. I'm actually thinking about possibly switching over to methadone, as I feel the suboxone is not really reducing my cravings. The only problem is that I live with my family and do not have a job (I'm in school), and after the last time that I was on MMT (which didn't go so well), I think they're disgusted by methadone treatment. However I feel that my opiate habit has become way more serious in the last year, and maybe having that structure in my day (having to go to the clinic) would be a positive thing, or at least worth a try.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Maintenance.
Yes, they are.
Yup!
haden
Bluelighter
That's interesting, methadone is actually my doc. I like it because all of the short-lasting opiates leave me finding for more like 30 minutes after the onset of the high...
However, methadone only gives me the desired effects if I space out my usage at least 4 days between doses.
All of the clinic horror stories have scared me away from MMT but to be honest, a clinic is much more punctual and reliable than a dope dealer...
I usually take 60-75mg of done to get my desired high from it. Works best if I wait seven days between doses...
However, methadone only gives me the desired effects if I space out my usage at least 4 days between doses.
All of the clinic horror stories have scared me away from MMT but to be honest, a clinic is much more punctual and reliable than a dope dealer...
I usually take 60-75mg of done to get my desired high from it. Works best if I wait seven days between doses...
Wesley_pipes_27
Bluelighter
My Dr. gives me Subutex along with my Dilaudid and oxycodone each month. I have been on opiates for almost 8 years due to a spinal injury, and I have gained a pretty heavy tolerence due to that. On the days that my pain is most severe, I have to take a pretty healthy (sic) dose to subdue it. Most days though I just take 8mg bupe sublingually. I am able to switch back and forth w/o much trouble, but from what I've read on here not everyone can do this. I do follow this rule of thumb though: I never take opiates and then bupe, I either take just opiates or if I have already taken bupe I wait 4 hours to take the opiates. Also after taking opiates, I wait at least 12 hours before taking more bupe.
Hmmm... after reading that it seems I've said virtually the same thing that is stated above, I just used more words to do it. lol Anyway, this method has worked for me for the past couple years but I advise Do so at your own risk.
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haden
Bluelighter
Wow. I can not believe a doctor would prescribe both subutex and oxycodone/dilaudiid. Is this common?!
I assumed that bupe filled so many opiate receptors that oxy/dillys would be pointless and wasted
catcalls
Bluelighter
I did not say that. Stop twisting my words.
The guy I originally quoted said Pharm companies recommend you use Subs for at least a week. I rationalised this by stating the Pharmacies want you addicted to Subutex that is why they'd say at least a week.
Originally, I was told I'd be doing a two week detox on Subutex, to get off heroin. I agreed, and now, its four years later and I remain on Subutex!
Now though, I'm thinking of transferring over to my GP rather than getting the script from a Drug Dependency agency. This is because I've never been so much 'pain free' as on Subutex.
Have an existing stomach complaint that is severely painful. I used to shit water daily, mixed with stomach acids that would burn my ass. That is how bad my gut was...but now I'm on Subutex ~ I have firm large stools and once I even got constipated for the first time in my whole life! I was ecstatic when that happened!
So, you can see why I tend to stay on Subutex. For pain reasons. But, I believe if I had done the two week detox ~ I was in no position to get off heroin at that point in my life like I am now. I was involved with too many friends/dealers that would have seen me back on heroin within the week. But NOW ~ hell, now I have cut off all those junkie 'friends' and have not used in years. So, if it were not for the pain, I could def. start tapering down my dose and eventually come off Subutex.
In fact, if the GP states he wants me on other pain killing agents, I'm all for it, as long as they are as effective as 6mg of Subutex.
SubDude
Bluelighter
Sorry to hear that CH. Hopefully it happened while you were shopping and in a parking lot or sidewalk near the store entrance. If so... I think you know what to do...
jnicolas1980
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For anyone who read my posts, here's a quick update on how I'm doing (in case it might help as a personal experience lesson or whatever).
After going from 1 mg three times a day (sublingual, film) at the beginning of last week to .5 mg twice a day by week's end, I was down to .5 mg once a day Monday and Tuesday, and this morning I took .25 mg (or as close as my scissors could get cutting the film). I'll see how this goes later on, as my work day is ridiculously long today (probably be done by 5 a.m. tomorrow). My goal is to get to .25 a day and start alternating with days off until I'm cool to quit. (BG note: I started subs Dec. 25 after a mild oxy habit [five 30 mg pills a day].)
My biggest problem is sleep. Even before I was on opiates, I suffered terribly from insomnia. Now I got the RLS, which clonidine and Remeron didn't help. I took a 600 mg gabapentin pill last night, and that worked like a charm. Though, if I do it every night it doesn't work too well.
Anyway, just thought I'd offer my anecdote in case anyone was in a similar boat and is looking to cut down. Also, if anyone has any info to offer me about what to expect in the coming month, I'd be much obliged. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I was taking oxy to quell my Crohn's disease symptoms, not to get high ('cause that wasn't possible with my tolerance). My problem was more of a physical dependence, not a love affair, for lack of a better word. I'm hoping this means I'll have fewer psychological issues getting off the subs (cravings were never an issue, thankfully).
After going from 1 mg three times a day (sublingual, film) at the beginning of last week to .5 mg twice a day by week's end, I was down to .5 mg once a day Monday and Tuesday, and this morning I took .25 mg (or as close as my scissors could get cutting the film). I'll see how this goes later on, as my work day is ridiculously long today (probably be done by 5 a.m. tomorrow). My goal is to get to .25 a day and start alternating with days off until I'm cool to quit. (BG note: I started subs Dec. 25 after a mild oxy habit [five 30 mg pills a day].)
My biggest problem is sleep. Even before I was on opiates, I suffered terribly from insomnia. Now I got the RLS, which clonidine and Remeron didn't help. I took a 600 mg gabapentin pill last night, and that worked like a charm. Though, if I do it every night it doesn't work too well.
Anyway, just thought I'd offer my anecdote in case anyone was in a similar boat and is looking to cut down. Also, if anyone has any info to offer me about what to expect in the coming month, I'd be much obliged. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I was taking oxy to quell my Crohn's disease symptoms, not to get high ('cause that wasn't possible with my tolerance). My problem was more of a physical dependence, not a love affair, for lack of a better word. I'm hoping this means I'll have fewer psychological issues getting off the subs (cravings were never an issue, thankfully).
Captain.Heroin
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The pharmacy has no vested interest in getting you addicted; dope dealers do.
Thanks. I don't drink at all. What I meant by "sober" is that I was not drunk, I didn't take a benzo, and I wasn't even stoned.
For the countless times I have driven intoxicated, it shocks me that I am a better driver than a walker.
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