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DEA emergency-scheduled 4 JWH's

SWIM had a dream once, where SWIM had gone to a liquor store in a state that had already made 'spice' and similar 'herbal incense' illegal. With a short conversation with the owner, discussion of a 'discount card' by becoming a regular member at that store. It worked on everything in the store "except the incense stuff"... SWIM asked, "What do you mean, what kind of incense stuff?" SWIM discovered them selling a blend that allegedly was locally made (don't wanna say the name) and its even vended online. In this imaginary dream SWIM purchased some, rolled a small joint (~0.5g) and smoked it with an imaginary chesire cat. Somehow, SWIM had been tripping 2 hits of LSD and the herbal blend knocked him out of the trip and into a 'stoned' state. SWIM had tripped lots of times and smoking regular cannabis did not do this! Man SWIM had a crazy dream huh?
 
Fuck the store boughten blends.. they are nothing compared to what you can make on your own. For half the price as well
 
Question to the JWH fans: I've never tried it before, and I'm interested since the ban's created massive sales. I'm a heavy habitual user, 1 gram or more daily for my IBS as well as recreational use. I know it's a subjective question but do you guys think it's worth buying 10 grams or so to test it out? With the cheap price even if I hated it it wouldn't be much of a loss, and I could, uh, 'unload' it on friends if I'm not a fan.I've heard some horror stories about migraines and whatnot from JWH 018 on the site before, and migraines run in my family, so should the synths be something to avoid?
 
Bezonian said:
Question to the JWH fans: I've never tried it before, and I'm interested since the ban's created massive sales. I'm a heavy habitual user, 1 gram or more daily for my IBS as well as recreational use. I know it's a subjective question but do you guys think it's worth buying 10 grams or so to test it out? With the cheap price even if I hated it it wouldn't be much of a loss, and I could, uh, 'unload' it on friends if I'm not a fan.I've heard some horror stories about migraines and whatnot from JWH 018 on the site before, and migraines run in my family, so should the synths be something to avoid?
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10 Grams of PURE JWH? haha!!
But if you mean store blends.. if you absolutely must i would suggest a gram or two at first.. some are just a hit and miss while others are very potent. It all depends on the supplier, but i suggest buying a gram of pure or samples of different types and making your own blend :) much more fun and satisfying.
 
mecaib said:
Hopefully the ban won't hold. Some of these compounds are useful for treating depression. In my case, 018 lifts the fog of depression without exacerbating my bipolar condition, which makes it a very valuable compound for me. Nothing else even comes close. An antidepressant that works and doesn't make me manic and/or psychotic... I found it, and now it's being taken away :p
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Wow, I just figured out that jwh-018/073 are the probable cause of my seemingly being much less depressed this time of year (aside from booze on the actually holiday days of course hehe) this year 'round and it has always seemed that when using pot this time of year my moods would be way out of wack from what i assume to be a simple case of Seasonal Affective Disorder being exacerbated somehow by the weed.. I smoke this jwh pretty frequently and have found it a much more reliable means of cheering up from the SAD itself and having few side effects compared to pot unless doing heavy doses of course..

P.S. Cops once arrested me thinking I was a felon due to an error in the system (i suspect a cop being a dick did it on purpose though..) and i had spice and a bowl with the spice in it and resin.. They intended to push me into admitting it was pot.. then i convinced them to smell.. look or do whatever with it to make sure.. they tell me they'll test it for THC resin if i am not telling the truth ill be in trouble.. I tell them id let them try it themselves even as a joke, the supervising officer laughs, tells me to grab my shit and go home and stop looking so suspect hahaha.. So idk.. that was b4 the ban but still.. they wont do anything.. i told them it was like hookah as the supervisor suggested (which he suggested i believe knowingly :P) and let me off no charges and even cussed out a cop from the city that initially caused me to be flagged as an escaped felon lmfao.. the cops were like "WTF?! Our bad" basically hahaha=D
Hopefully they at least make it schedule II or III even.. blaaahhh.. :p
 
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My initial attraction to RCs was because of their (semi*)-legality in the USA, and the fact that you could order them online with a MasterCard - instead of asking an arbitrary sketchy-looking individual on the street corner if he "has the good shit".

Now JWH-0xx is Schedule I. That's the worst category, reserved for Cocaine and Heroin. It seems like some precautions should be taken for the storage of pure JWH - or maybe it's time to discard it?

* Semi-legal, if you consider that it's legal to buy, but not legal to consume under the Analog laws. It's not the legality of consumption that concerns me, but the initial purchase and storage (possession).
 
raggedy_acid said:
Any synthetic cannibanoids still legal in the states??
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Four particular ones are now illegal (mentioned in the first post). Other ones are still legal at this time. I'm not sure if the Analog law applies to emergency scheduled substances or not.

Even if it does, sources can simply sell non-scheduled JWH variants as "plant feed" or whatever clever euphemism is in vogue this month.
 
n3o said:
Four particular ones are now illegal (mentioned in the first post). Other ones are still legal at this time. I'm not sure if the Analog law applies to emergency scheduled substances or not.

Even if it does, sources can simply sell non-scheduled JWH variants as "plant feed" or whatever clever euphemism is in vogue this month.
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I read on another board that its does cover analogs. Does anyone know what cannabinoids are not covered by the analog act.
 
STORING JWH

Buy a pack of rolling tobacco and acetone and dissolve the JWH into Tobacco and evaporate the acetone. Store that. Nothing suspicious there. No look/smell.

If you don't want to use Tobacco, maybe store the JWH directly in the acetone container. Taking out a little at a time to use the day before (to let it evaporate.) I highly doubt they're going to bust down your doors and test for it so this works.

You can put it on other herbs too but that's suspicious unless you put it on spearmint or something and place it in the kitchen.
 
wow...

well the dea is just a bunch of normals people who dont know a thing about drugs and try to regulate them........
 
Anyone see this? I was confused when I went into my local store and saw some of the JWH/other cannibanoid products still there, after they were gone on 12/24/2010. I looked on trusty old google, and...

http://www.free-press-release.com/n...ule-on-synthetic-cannibinoids-1293557998.html

ARTICLE
"FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
San Francisco Bay Area, California, United States of America (Free-Press-Release.com) December 28, 2010 -- The DEA has not acted on the Notification to Temporarily Control five synthetic cannibinoids. The agency filed their intent to ban five of these compounds on November 24th 2010. The law requires that a final rule on the temporary order be published in the Federal Register no sooner than thirty (30) days from the date the intent to ban is published. The DEA can act on this notice of intent at any time after the thirty day period.

As of December 28th at 12 pm the DEA had not acted. On 12/24/10 a DEA Spokesman who identified himself as "David" stated that "no date had been set to issue the final rule." As a result the products remain legal and available in stores around the US, even in states that have their own bans in place. In fact the intent letter is so ambiguous it leaves out any type of disposal procedure, product testing protocol or other method for retailers that sell incense products to use to be compliant, this may explain the lack of a definitive order.

The DEA ban was a response to Senator Orrin Hatch's, (R) Utah, letter to the DEA expressing his desire to see the compounds banned. The DEA claims there is a health risk, however no documents are available on the internet or from any government agency to back that up.

"This is a victory for liberty and the rule of law that protects small business" is what Dan Francis, the Executive Director of the Retail Compliance Alliance (www.therca.org) says "I believe our legal actions and strong representation have been noticed by the DEA" he went on to say that they are not the only organization fighting the ban.

The DEA did not expect such a strong reaction from this start-up industry. One economic analyst stated that the industry may represent more than 1 billion in economic impact, if true, this will preclude the ban from ever taking effect as the emergency order is governed by Executive Order 12991 which states that emergency bans cannot be implemented in the cases where a 100 million dollar or greater economic impact will be imposed.

It is also estimated by economists that up to 50,000 jobs could be lost, and hundreds of businesses would have to close their doors."


Thoughts? I haven't found a mainstream source with this news, but it seems to be true?
 
n3o said:
Now JWH-0xx is Schedule I. That's the worst category, reserved for Cocaine and Heroin. It seems like some precautions should be taken for the storage of pure JWH - or maybe it's time to discard it?
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Cocaine is schedule 2 actually. Marijuana is schedule 1 though, in most places. It's also not the worst category, many of the drugs that are schedule 1 (LSD, psilocybin, MDMA) are less dangerous then many schedule 2 drugs (cocaine, fentanyl, amphetamines, pcp).

I was wondering if anyone knew what kind of precautions should be taken for storing JWH-018. I have some that should last me for quite a while, at the moment it's just in a pill bottle and I want to know if JWH-018 will degrade much if it's sitting around for up to 1 year. I didn't think it would, but I might as well ask since it was mentioned in the quoted post.
 
The best way to keep it would just be out of any light, air tight if possible, and in a freezer. Those are generic "chemical storage" suggestions. I don't know anything specific about the JWHs and long term stability. It probably just isn't actually known yet.
 
The Network said:
Heard from a JWH god on this forum. I don't remember who but he knows everything there is to know about the JWH compounds.
And no you can't use 250 legally, it's definitely an analog of 200 which gets prosecuted under the federal analogue act, id est you get the same punishment as if you had 200.
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WRONG! 250 is radically different. It's got a 2'-methoxy-phenylacetyl ring instead of the naphthalene. FWIW, that probably makes it safer, too. That naphthalene most others have has always given me the willies. Especially since I have seen low grade beige -018 that just REEKED of naphthalene.

The only thing I can think of that couldn't be completely considered an analog of the banned substances that is available online is WIN-55,212-2. There's AM-694 but that is EXTREMELY neurotoxic, when your body metabolizes it, it turns it into a really dangerous chemical.
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Wrong again. fluoroacetic acid is cytotoxic, not neurotoxic. Um, did you even comprehend what was meant by "krebs fucking" agent? As is something that fucks the Krebs cycle? As is cellular respiration (or at least the aerobic part of it)? Google is your friend. when you see a term you don't undertstand, look it up before posting about it. Sheesh. Fluoroacetric acid would be toxic the same way cyanide is, not toxic the way an organophosphate (first group of neurotoxic chems to pop into my mind, includes most nerve gasses) would be.

And, in any event, fluoroacetic acid is most likely NOT a metabolite of the fluoropentyl chain hanging off of am-694. Pentyl being the key word there. As in '5'. 5 being an odd number. Fluoropropionic acid is the likely metabolite if you read a bit further in the thread you referenced.

Not that *I* would try it. :)
 
lasthurrah19 said:
Anyone see this? I was confused when I went into my local store and saw some of the JWH/other cannibanoid products still there, after they were gone on 12/24/2010. I looked on trusty old google, and...

http://www.free-press-release.com/n...ule-on-synthetic-cannibinoids-1293557998.html

ARTICLE
"FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
San Francisco Bay Area, California, United States of America (Free-Press-Release.com) December 28, 2010 -- The DEA has not acted on the Notification to Temporarily Control five synthetic cannibinoids. The agency filed their intent to ban five of these compounds on November 24th 2010. The law requires that a final rule on the temporary order be published in the Federal Register no sooner than thirty (30) days from the date the intent to ban is published. The DEA can act on this notice of intent at any time after the thirty day period.

As of December 28th at 12 pm the DEA had not acted. On 12/24/10 a DEA Spokesman who identified himself as "David" stated that "no date had been set to issue the final rule." As a result the products remain legal and available in stores around the US, even in states that have their own bans in place. In fact the intent letter is so ambiguous it leaves out any type of disposal procedure, product testing protocol or other method for retailers that sell incense products to use to be compliant, this may explain the lack of a definitive order.

The DEA ban was a response to Senator Orrin Hatch's, (R) Utah, letter to the DEA expressing his desire to see the compounds banned. The DEA claims there is a health risk, however no documents are available on the internet or from any government agency to back that up.

"This is a victory for liberty and the rule of law that protects small business" is what Dan Francis, the Executive Director of the Retail Compliance Alliance (www.therca.org) says "I believe our legal actions and strong representation have been noticed by the DEA" he went on to say that they are not the only organization fighting the ban.

The DEA did not expect such a strong reaction from this start-up industry. One economic analyst stated that the industry may represent more than 1 billion in economic impact, if true, this will preclude the ban from ever taking effect as the emergency order is governed by Executive Order 12991 which states that emergency bans cannot be implemented in the cases where a 100 million dollar or greater economic impact will be imposed.

It is also estimated by economists that up to 50,000 jobs could be lost, and hundreds of businesses would have to close their doors."


Thoughts? I haven't found a mainstream source with this news, but it seems to be true?
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So I wonder why the online market is still gone or at least not what it used to be. I haven't checked to see if it's back in stores but if this is true than I imagine it is.
Anyway pretty interesting.
 
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