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Addicted to marijuana

halperdude said:
I got into the drug because of people telling me its not bad for me, its 'non addictive.' Well for all of you who say that, try smoking hardcore for a month and then quitting. For some reason i cant sleep, im not hungry, and im restless... Anyone else with a similar story?

Please dont flame/troll this. thats unappreciated and unhelpful.
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I smoked for 7+ years nearly every day. Then, I started getting drug tested in August. Obviously I failed my first one. That was my one free-pass. I quit that day and passed my federal drug test one month later.

It was a fucking walk in the park compared to quitting opiates or benzos, or cigs.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
What psychoactives are in poker, or a slot machine?

Do you think these things through before posting them?
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Why are you comparing a slot machine to narcotics? I said weed causes withdrawals, in the sense that you MENTALLY NEED IT. Just like sex and gambling, mentally you need it, but don't physically need it. Although sex and gambling shouldn't be included in this discussion at all in the first place.
 
hardcheeba said:
Why are you comparing a slot machine to narcotics? I said weed causes withdrawals, in the sense that you MENTALLY NEED IT. Just like sex and gambling, mentally you need it, but don't physically need it. Although sex and gambling shouldn't be included in this discussion at all in the first place.
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I used your flawed logic that "you mentally need it = addiction = withdrawals"; my point is that you are wrong. I used gambling and sex as examples.

My question to you: why are you insisting you can go through gambling withdrawal when it doesn't exist???
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I used your flawed logic that "you mentally need it = addiction = withdrawals"; my point is that you are wrong. I used gambling and sex as examples.

My question to you: why are you insisting you can go through gambling withdrawal when it doesn't exist???
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Captain heroin, you should not be a moderator if you can't think your posts through. You can become dependent on (and addicted to) both sex and gambling. Although one major difference is the fact that sex is evolutionarily built-in to our subsonic supersystems while gambling and drugs are simply detrimental.

Lord = WIN
C.H = LOSE
 
Lord said:
Captain heroin, you should not be a moderator if you can't think your posts through. You can become dependent on (and addicted to) both sex and gambling. Although one major difference is the fact that sex is evolutionarily built-in to our subsonic supersystems while gambling and drugs are simply detrimental.

Lord = WIN
C.H = LOSE
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Thank you. couldn't believe that guy was a mod after reading his posts.
 
Lord said:
Captain heroin, you should not be a moderator if you can't think your posts through. You can become dependent on (and addicted to) both sex and gambling. Although one major difference is the fact that sex is evolutionarily built-in to our subsonic supersystems while gambling and drugs are simply detrimental.

Lord = WIN
C.H = LOSE
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I simply said you do not go through withdrawals due to gambling. I am well aware weak minded people succumb to gambling and sex addictions.

Thanks for 1) missing the point, 2) either having questionable reading comprehension or simply misunderstanding me, and 3) stuffing words down my mouth.
 
Cannabis is not physically addictive. What you're describing is a mental addiction and anything can do that. Without sex, many people are restless and can't sleep as well.

Now it's irrelevant to the PATIENT whether addiction exists, or it's "all in his head" or not. The real issue might be that this person has problems in his/her life, and Cannabis helps him/her deal with it. Or it might not. It might be his specific brain chemistry. Who knows? The point is it's irrelevant. He or she is seeking help with this problem and probably expects some support.

@halperdude: obviously stay away from alcohol, if your mom is an alcoholic. Perhaps try a natural OTC pick-me-up like SAMe or St. John's Wort? Maybe a psychological evaluation is in order considering all the things going in your life.

or.. why'd you quit anyway? grow that shit in your closet and smoke everyday. It seems like you're depressed, and the doctor is gonna put you on Zoloft or Paxil or maybe a benzo. Now I'm all for these drugs. SSRIs feel like 24/7 MDMA, but it's probably much safer to just smoke daily.

Remember that An addiction is only a problem if you run out!
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I simply said you do not go through withdrawals due to gambling. I am well aware weak minded people succumb to gambling and sex addictions.

Thanks for 1) missing the point, 2) either having questionable reading comprehension or simply misunderstanding me, and 3) stuffing words down my mouth.
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Wow, I can't believe this guy is a mod. He openly calls people with an addiction weak on a harm reduction website. The effects of gambling, sex, and porn addictions have been studied quite a bit. When the users' brains are examined, they show a remarkable similarity to addicts of meth and cocaine, in regards to dopamine release.
 
there is probly no one on this site, and few people that exist in the world that know enough about cannabinoid receptors and their binding affinities in the brain to claim "weed is physically addictive." mentally, sure..physically? not likely from my experiences or the hundreds of other experiences i could relate too
 
I can't believe this is popping up again.. We just had a recent thread on it:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=8977392#post8977392

Anyways. Take a look at the following:
Despite past skepticism, it has been established that, although it is not common, a vulnerable subpopulation of marijuana users can develop dependence. Adolescents, particularly those with conduct disorders, individuals with psychiatric disorders, or problems with substance abuse appear to be at greater risk for marijuana dependence than the general population.


CONCLUSION: A distinctive marijuana withdrawal syndrome has been identified, but it is mild and short-lived. The syndrome includes restlessness, irritability, mild agitation, insomnia, sleep EEG disturbance, nausea, and cramping.
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page 126
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376

For good measure a couple of additional references:
Didcott P, Reilly D, Swift W, Hall W. Long-term cannabis users on the New South Wales North Coast. NDARC Monograph No. 30. Sydney, Australia:NDARC, 1997:36-41.

Swift W, Hall W, Copeland J. Cannabis dependence among long-term users in Sydney, Australia. NDARC Tech Rep No. 47. Sydney, Australia:NDARC, 1997.

Crowley TJ, Macdonald MJ, Whitmore EA, Mikulich SK. Cannabis dependence, withdrawal, and reinforcing effects among adolescents with conduct symptoms and substance use disorders. Drug Alcohol Depend 1998;50:27-37.

Wiesbeck GA, Schuckit MA, Kalmijn JA, Tipp JE, Bucholz KK, Smith TL. An evaluation of the history of a marijuana withdrawal syndrome in a large population. Addiction 1996;91:1469-1478

Haney M, Ward AS, Comer SD, Foltin RW, Fischman MW. Abstinence symptoms following oral THC administration to humans. Psychopharmacology 1999;141:385-394.

Haney M, Ward AS, Comer SD, Foltin RW, Fischman MW. Abstinence symptoms following smoked marijuana in humans. Psychopharmacology 1999;141:395-404.

Aceto MD, Scates SM, Lowe JA, Martin BR. Cannabinoid precipitated withdrawal by the selective cannabinoid receptor antagonist, SR 141716A. Eur J Pharmacol 1995;282:R1-R2

Abood ME, Sauss C, Fan F, Tilton CL, Martin BR.Development of behavioral tolerance to delta 9-THC without alteration of cannabinoid receptor binding or mRNA levels in whole brain. Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Medical College of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond 23298.

MD Aceto, SM Scates, JA Lowe and BR Martin Dependence on delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol: studies on precipitated and abrupt withdrawal Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Medical College of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, USA.

Aceto MD, Scates SM, Lowe JA, Martin BR.Cannabinoid precipitated withdrawal by the selective cannabinoid receptor antagonist, SR 141716A. Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond 23298-0613, USA
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There's definitely a withdrawal syndrome for a small percentage of users. Comparing withdrawal syndromes is silly, ofcourse opiates or benzodiazepines are far more dangerous and difficult to withdraw from. That does not mean there's no withdrawal syndrome upon cessating cannabis usage.
 
hardcheeba said:
All that bullshit about "it's not addictive, theres no withdrawals" etc is all crap. pot is a drug and has addictive qualities. your body might not physically require it (like if you had a heroin addiction) but your mind tells you that you do, not only because you're accustomed but because you realize being sober is no fun, and you'd rather be high.

[Don't fuck with the size of your text so badly, that's just annoying. -Chainer]
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I disagree. For example you might say someone with migraines has physical causes but then again it might be a psychosomatic illness. I think the issue here is that not everyone understands what mental vs physical is. The body is strong, but so is the mind. I think you just are unclear on what functions are from the mind and what are from the body since both have a strong impact on your feelings/pain/sleeping.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I simply said you do not go through withdrawals due to gambling. I am well aware weak minded people succumb to gambling and sex addictions.

Thanks for 1) missing the point, 2) either having questionable reading comprehension or simply misunderstanding me, and 3) stuffing words down my mouth.
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you actually do go through some sort of withdrawals with gambling and sex addictions...

also, i think that's pretty rough you saying, "weak minded people succumb to gambling and sex addictions."

so im weak minded, huh? ouch. my opinion is, i am not weak minded at all because i have addictions. but i do believe i have the disease of addiction as described here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_model_of_addiction
 
I think im addicted to weed.

The same as you i cant sleep if i dont have weed in my system. And whenever im out of weed all i can think about is how i dont have weed. I usually dont eat if im not stoned, and i know i wasnt always like that.
 
Lord said:
. You can become dependent on (and addicted to) both sex and gambling. Although one major difference is the fact that sex is evolutionarily built-in to our subsonic supersystems while gambling and drugs are simply detrimental.
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Oh? That's quiet short sighted of you.

The fact is cannabis does have mild (let me repeat: MILD) withdrawal symptoms that don't shine a light on what true withdrawal is. If you cannot beat cannabis "addiction" you do not have a very strong will. Hell, it doesn't even take a strong will, you just have to accept lack of sleep (can be remedied by OTC natural herbal supplements like valarian root or melatonin), change in apatite (remedied by force eating), and a muted outlook on life (which goes away in under a month). These are not real withdrawals, they are minor inconviences for abusing a psychedelic for long periods of time. I would not even compare it to any other drug W/Ds, let alone the legal ones.

That said, THC is naturally occurring (binds at CB1/CB2 receptors - rather recent discovery), so a naturalistic argument does not make much sense either.
 
dreamchaser said:
It is adictive nowadays with addictive qualities. It is a psychoactive drug after all. I learned from NA meetings that weed actually contains enough narcotics in it now to make you somewhat physically addicted. Well, at least you get some withdrawal symptoms. Usually just mild anxiety, sleep disorders, etc. Kind of like what you said. I myself am a chronic smoker and although I admit that the mental addiction is much greater than the physical, I'm sure there is some sort of physical addiction otherwise I would have quit myself now..or at least taken a break. Can't even do that without freaking out.
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Pot does not have narcotics in it. Just THC. The people in NA are full of shit. I know I was once in a rehab when I was in school. Both the people there and my mom were like. Pot is so much stronger nowadays. BULLSHIT. If somebody gives you that "pot is ten times stronger than it was in the sixties shit" or this isn't your grandfathers marijuana. You tell them pot is not now all of a sudden stronger. It's just that the potent strains are far more available now. Weed was that strong in the 60's its just that your average garden variety hippie didn't have access to what you guys would call dro or khine bud a lot back then. Shwagg was smoked more often than not. I'm sure the DEA has seen there samples that they have seized go up in potencty. So they use this as propaganda. There was top notch budd 40,000 years ago you just had to know where to look.
 
chainer3k said:
Oh? That's quiet short sighted of you.

The fact is cannabis does have mild (let me repeat: MILD) withdrawal symptoms that don't shine a light on what true withdrawal is. If you cannot beat cannabis "addiction" you do not have a very strong will. Hell, it doesn't even take a strong will, you just have to accept lack of sleep (can be remedied by OTC natural herbal supplements like valarian root or melatonin), change in apatite (remedied by force eating), and a muted outlook on life (which goes away in under a month). These are not real withdrawals, they are minor inconviences for abusing a psychedelic for long periods of time. I would not even compare it to any other drug W/Ds, let alone the legal ones.
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I was surprised to see the moderator dismissing cannabis withdrawal like this. :(
It seems like an elitist and uncaring attitude from someone who should know better.
Cannabis withdrawal has been very intense for me in my life.
I am not trying to compare with other drugs, or other addictions, but simply noting that the experience of quitting cannabis has challenged me greatly, and that this has happened multiple times during my 25-year addiction.
I try to quit every year, for at least a month, because that is the time it takes for the symptoms to diminish or disappear. After one particularly heavy period, symptoms persisted for approximately 2 months, however.

I have not usually failed in quitting cannabis, but it has challenged me greatly.
You would apparently accuse me of having a weak will.
I do not believe that I have a weak will. I have managed to persevere in doing things that required extraordinary effort for great lengths of time, such as obtaining a PhD and learning to speak and read several difficult languages. And yet, I have not managed to quit cannabis every time I tried to. (There were several times, mostly in my youth, when I began smoking again after only 3 days, or a week, despite my plan to stop for a longer period.)

Your summary of the effects of cannabis withdrawal really missed the mark for me.
I had no real changes in my ability to sleep or my appetite, though I did have the "muted outlook" you refer to.
I also had nausea, physical pain, fever-like symptoms, lethargy, and nightmares several times a night.
Additionally, I had a overwhelming desire to smoke more cannabis during each and every second of each and every day.
Maybe unlike you, cannabis climbs aboard my ship and immediately takes the helm.
Is it possible that you don't or can't comprehend the full extent to which cannabis controls my spirit? If so, you should be careful with your words/judgments.

Maybe someone like you, who has seen the world and knows what real addiction is, might consider my symptoms to be less than "real", or at a "lower level" than those of "real addiction/withdrawal symptoms".:|
However, I would argue that we cannot truly compare one person's suffering to another's, and while there is no question that opium withdrawals seem much more physically intense than cannabis withdrawals, the psychological challenge in quitting could be similar. Instead of comparing, however, I would note that the physical symptoms associated with cannabis withdrawal have been difficult to deal with, at least for me. In any case, someone who looks down on cannabis withdrawals as "inferior" or "fake" or "lesser" than those associated with other drugs is missing the point.

What floats one person's boat leaves another bored.
What gets inside the mind and spirit of one person, driving them for months or years ruthlessly, might only be a "minor inconvenience" to someone else.
I would ask you to step off of your high horse, and stop talking about what is a "real withdrawal" and what isn't, and to show some respect for individual differences.
 
just stop smoking dude....believe it or not you will feel the negative effects of weed much more than most people because your so young.

keep smoking to infrequent unplanned intervals and trust me things will get better
 
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