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A serious thread about online poker

This guy was being a douche so got him back, timed right down!

Poker Stars $50.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1089858
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: t815 27.17 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t2185 72.83 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with Q
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9
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Hero raises to t60, BB calls t30

Flop: (t120) 7
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J
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Q
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB calls t60

Turn: (t240) 9
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t180, BB calls t180

River: (t600) 9
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(2 players)
BB bets t515 all in, Hero says "hmmm", Hero says "JT good here???", Hero says "hmmmm is it????", BB says "let's go", Hero says "JT GOOD HERE???", Hero calls t515

Final Pot: t1630
BB shows A
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6
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(a flush, Ace high)
Hero shows Q
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9
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(a full house, Nines full of Queens)
Hero wins t1630
 
I've decided that Pokerstars is rigged; in my favour! I had such a beautiful run the other night - short-stacked in a turbo so had to push, and everything held up 33 v AA, TT v JJ, a bunch of coinflips. Went from last out of 70 or so, with an M of about 4, to coming second. And I disconnected in the middle and went from 2nd to 10th before I could log back in :)

(I obviously don't really think it's rigged, just countering people who complain that it is, because someone rivers a K and AK beats their QQ).
 
^ Well done, feels good to ship a turbo? :D

Yeah people (including me) whinge about bad beats and sick suck outs but when I think about it, I've probs sucked out on people just as much as they have on me.

You only ever think about the bad beats but people forget about the times they sucked out.

UB is the only site that's rigged and a few small poker sites I'd say too which is why stars and FTP and the best.
 
when u think about it 80/20 or 70/30 is just not that big of a lead. 3 out of 10 or 2 out of 10 times you will lose. the way you lose may be very creative and "brutal," but it's all the same.

and people forget things like me picking up KK when you picked up AK; you had to get really unlucky to get AK when i got KK. etc.
 
Only 18, nearly 19 but I've already grown tired of online poker (been playing since 16 under my dads name). Live poker is real poker; i can't handle playing donkeys all the time. I'm lucky enough to now be living in London, and have already visited the Empire Theatre Casino and Foxes Poker Club. Love it.
 
Fjones said:
I actually think the decision whether to fold AA is often an interesting discussion.

In a DON SNG, here is how I would decide, on the bubble.

I would ask myself the following question --

"Does my making the top 5 depend entirely on whether the short stack wins his all in?"

In other words, if my stack is so small that I am assured of finishing 6th IF the Short stack wins his all in, I would just add my chips to the pile and increase the chances that I beat him with my AA (This assumes my stack is equal or larger to his so that I can actually bust him).

As an example, if there are 6 left and the short stack and I each have 400 at the 100 200 level, and the other players have 3175 each, and the short stack pushes, everyone calls, and I have AA, I am calling.

I see no value in folding. If the short stack wins his all in, I am going to bubble. If he loses the all in, he bubbles and I win. So why not get in with the AA and increase the chances that the short stack actually does lose?

Regarding the last question you asked, if I am short stack on the bubble and there three all ins in front of me and I have AA in the big blind, I might consider folding. But again, it depends on how likely I think I am to survive if no one gets knocked out. What it the short stack holds up, possibly because we folded our AA? Now we are still a short stack with no guarantee of getting a good hand.

As an extreme example though, if 4 people are all in for EXACTLY 2500 on the bubble and I have less than 2500, I am folding every time with AA, because surely SOMEONE is getting knocked out since they all have the same stack and can all knock each other out. But if I stick it in, and multiple people lose, I get 6th by reason of starting the hand with fewer chips.

I like discussing poker with you. I am glad this thread has drawn interest.
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I just gotta say mate, if four people are all in and you're holding AA, it's more than likely that you've got every poor sod in that crushed. You're looking at their ranges of AK-AJ maybe even A10 depending on their desperation and position. Small-medium suited connectors for tiny stacks who are card dead, and smaller pocket pairs. It's hardly ever possible to justify folding AA preflop. Seriously. Chips are weapons, you're leaving weapons to other people. You wana win, not cash. If you're only looking at cashing don't play poker
 
StrutterGear said:
Only 18, nearly 19 but I've already grown tired of online poker (been playing since 16 under my dads name). Live poker is real poker; i can't handle playing donkeys all the time. I'm lucky enough to now be living in London, and have already visited the Empire Theatre Casino and Foxes Poker Club. Love it.
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Live games are a lot softer than online games, so if you're looking to play less donkeys (you hate money?) then you're going the wrong direction.
 
Naa, I like to play people who have a fucking hand range mate. I can outwit a good player because what he's doing is logical, and the cards he has can be worked out. Playing a 'any 2 card cunt' donkey who spunked his last 50 dollars on internet poker doesnt work for me.

and live games are not soft, I'm not talking about £10 buyin pub games, I'm talking brick and mortar casinos in London.
 
StrutterGear said:
Naa, I like to play people who have a fucking hand range mate. I can outwit a good player because what he's doing is logical, and the cards he has can be worked out. Playing a 'any 2 card cunt' donkey who spunked his last 50 dollars on internet poker doesnt work for me.

and live games are not soft, I'm not talking about £10 buyin pub games, I'm talking brick and mortar casinos in London.
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I doubt you can outwit a good player if you can't outplay a 'donk'
 
I'd love to play you some time and we'll test your theory. People without a hand range infuriate me, the 7% odds they had is always enough.

And funny you should say that, even Daniel Negreanu has been quoted saying how he hates playing them. It's easier to outsmart a player who plays logically.
 
Take this for example

I am short stacked, but have a £5 bounty chip. Tourny situation blinds are 500/1000

I shove UTG for 2 and a £5 bounty chip

Mid positions pushes OVER that, bloke behind him calls

I hold KK

Mid holds QJ suited

Last holds A8 off

Guess who won the race.
 
Bankroll is the problem mate. Thats why live cash games with 1/1 limits are good, because I can buy in for 25-50 quid and take down 250 pound stacks. Playing 4.20 SnG online is what the average player with my bankroll is gonna do, and its full of idiots who play any 2 and get lucky. Its great when theyre stupidity means you get their chips, but more often than not in big pots i end up getting sucked. Shit happens I guess.

When I moved up to 40 dollar heads up games it improved, but I still had one outrageous suck out.
 
No need to be a dick mate. I play more hands, more games and in less time online, so of course I'm going to experience more suck outs.

Live games allow you to bring your personality to the table, which I use to my advantage. That KK situation was a live game anyway; in another thread I had complained about the lack of quality of poker games during the day at the Empire Theatre - where the WSOP Europe is held.
 
StrutterGear said:
I just gotta say mate, if four people are all in and you're holding AA, it's more than likely that you've got every poor sod in that crushed. You're looking at their ranges of AK-AJ maybe even A10 depending on their desperation and position. Small-medium suited connectors for tiny stacks who are card dead, and smaller pocket pairs. It's hardly ever possible to justify folding AA preflop. Seriously. Chips are weapons, you're leaving weapons to other people. You wana win, not cash. If you're only looking at cashing don't play poker
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Maybe you missed the first part of my post where I said I was referring to a DON SNG? 5th - 1st have the same payout. Same with a survivor tournament.

As for the second part of my post, I think one must carefully consider the circumstances. Again, if there are four left and the chip stacks are 3800 3800 3800 2100 and all three stacks of 3800 shove, it might be worth folding AA. Assuming no chips, you would be guaranteed 2nd place with a 20% chance at 1st place. If you call, you have a 50% chance of losing and getting NOTHING. It's quote possible that the EV works out to be a fold. I don't know if it does, but it might. Perhaps someone can run it?
 
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Fjones said:
Maybe you missed the part where I said I was referring to a DON SNG? 5th - 1st have the same payout. Same with a survivor tournament.
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I did indeed. Sorry bout that. Do you see any merit in playing SnGs with that structure? Not ripping or flaming, asking an honest question, I dont see the appeal.
 
StrutterGear said:
I did indeed. Sorry bout that. Do you see any merit in playing SnGs with that structure? Not ripping or flaming, asking an honest question, I dont see the appeal.
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Actually, my reply was a bit hasty. I edited it to reflect the fact that my original post also discussed non DON SNGs.

I agree with you about DON SNGs though, I hate the idea of them and see no reason to play. They are also ripe for collusion.
 
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