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is homosexuality a choice?

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soahc said:
Sexuality is not genetic. It is cultural, conditional.

Since you all love genetic determinism, I wonder how you would feel if people start to give young children 'gene therapy' or start to screen fetuses to abort ones with 'homosexual genes'.

I can't believe you are lumping me in with segregationists considering that I am arguing against classification of people based on genetics. Segregationists were ALL about genetics.

I am saying that genetics have a small role in our behavior. Just like I would not say that black people display lower IQ's because of their genes.

Give me a break. For a bunch of professed psychonauts, you people are incredible closed minded in how you want to fit everything into neat little noun boxes.

Classification of sexuality is pretty new anyways. The words 'hetero' and 'homo' are cultural in and of them selves. Their definitions are not absolute.

I am sure if you sent a card carrying gay man (card carrying meaning one who has never slept with a woman) to an island filled only with beautiful, fertile, horny women, he would change his tune pretty quick.

Similarly, you send a straight man to a penitentiary for life with only male inmates and all of a sudden he can become gay.
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I guess I find it odd that you joined bluelight primarily to pose your views about homosexuality.

Why bother? I promise you won't influence anyone's opinion in here.

I'm gay. I've been in situations (my father thinks I'm the luckiest man alive) where incredibly beautiful women have thrown themselves at me, grabbed my hoo haw while I slept in bed with them and asked if I wanted to fuck them.

It didn't turn me on in the slightest. I have always liked men - never liked women. I tried my best to like girls back when I was a teenager, but never could. It's not how my brain is wired.

I also come from a healthy family, have no history of sexual abuse, and apart from my previous addiction to opiates, have always been a very successful, happy, well adjusted young man.

What's wrong with that? I did not choose my sexuality, and it's not hurting anyone, so why stick your nose in my business and tell me something's wrong with me if I don't find women attractive.
 
Soahc claims that labels are "petty", yet s/he appears to have devoted their whole BL posting career discussing them. If that does not exaggerate the power of labels, I don't know what does.
 
I don't believe its a choice, but i'm not convinced its all genetic; it may have something to do with some key stage of development, either in the womb or at a young age. If it were a choice, people in dangerous places like Iran wouldn't be being killed for being gay.

I also don't believe everyone is Bi to a certain point. I'm 100% hetero. Never had any attraction at all to men, even though I'm not against it at all, and support gay rights just because they deserve it.
 
CitioKid said:
What's wrong with that? I did not choose my sexuality, and it's not hurting anyone, so why stick your nose in my business and tell me something's wrong with me if I don't find women attractive.
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If you did not choose your sexuality, you may be a slave to it.

I know you are not hurting anyone, but obviously labels ARE. Fag. Bitch. Cunt. Fruit. Breeder. Get the point? LABELS ARE BULLSHIT. Just ways for people to dominate people.

And if you are not open to the possibility of being attracted to women, of course you will stay unnatracted to them. Sexuality is just an operating system.
 
Labels in this context isn't used as a negative connotation (especially not in this thread), they are used to communicate, to express concepts. I mean, how else would you try and communicate the fact that you desire only the same sex? Being a homosexual doesn't imply anything other than being attracted to the same sex. Of course the degree of homosexuality can range from person to person, but they all fit in to that classification to a degree, as the key feature of homosexuality is having an attraction to the same sex.
 
Cloudy said:
Labels in this context isn't used as a negative connotation (especially not in this thread), they are used to communicate, to express concepts.
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Subjective concepts.

I mean, how else would you try and communicate the fact that you desire only the same sex?
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Why do you need to? Maybe no one cares. truly wonder if the gay subculture has any concept of a private life. They seem to feel the need to tell everyone what their sexual preference is. Has it dawned on them perhaps that no one gives a shit?

Of course the degree of homosexuality can range from person to person, but they all fit in to that classification to a degree...
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No. You are not some authority to create classifications. There are no such things as universal classifications. That is entirely a human creation. Hence, if you are gay it is because you choose to be.
 
Every word have a subjectivity to the concepts. However, there remains a common concept shared among all who uses the word, hence why you can at least grasp some of what I'm saying...

Why would you need to? So you can communicate a concept to another human being. Isn't that the whole premise of communication? Being able to express an idea in a way that they can understand.

It seems like you have a problem with the cultures surrounding sexuality, not the concepts they express themselves.

I didn't say I was an authority of anything. Person who has authority is the individual describing himself or herself (or in the case of other queer identities, themselves). If someone wants to say he is homosexual, who am I to say hes not? Nor am I able to place homosexuality on some one, as I don't know they're sexual attractions, or varying sexual/gender identity.

Whether or not you like the word gay, the concept behind gay, being attracted to members of the same sex still exists. You can try and strip away words from languages, because some how they seem to offend you, all you want, but it doesn't take away the fact that people identify with the underlying concept. It may be subjective, but there still is a singular premise that stays the same, as with all words in a given language (though some words can have multiple definitions, but homosexuality, it pretty straight forward in the meaning of being attracted to the same sex, hence the homo prefix)


Words are descriptors of what exists or doesn't exist, not some dictative authority on the world. Words arent used to create who we are, but to tell who we are and what we experience. The fact that someone is sexually attracted to the same sex remains even with the word never put into use.
 
"Choice consists of the mental process of judging the merits of multiple options and selecting one of them."

Biology and sexual orientation is the subject of research into the role of biology in the development of human sexual orientation. No simple, single cause for sexual orientation has been conclusively demonstrated, but research suggests that it is by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences, with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Biological factors which may be related to the development of a heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual orientation include genes, prenatal hormones, and brain structure.
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no mental process (choice) can influence those : "genes, prenatal hormones, and brain structure"
 
NO WAY! If it were a choice you wouldnt have people that are gay & hate it about themselves. People are born gay. They can choose how open they are about it, but they cant decide not to be gay
 
SmC said:
Is being straight a choice? Did you choose to be straight? Think about it for a second. Slightly off topic but I'm annoyed with straight people who think they're superior cause of sexuality, pisses me off since they had nothing to do with choosing who they're attracted to.
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Not slightly off topic, severely rather .
 
SmC said:
Is being straight a choice? Did you choose to be straight? Think about it for a second. Slightly off topic but I'm annoyed with straight people who think they're superior cause of sexuality, pisses me off since they had nothing to do with choosing who they're attracted to.
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Not all straight people are like this but I don't like the ones that are the way you described.

I remember telling a straight male friend of mine about how bisexual men and gay men have sex with each other and he went on to say how because bisexual and gay men make up maybe 8-10% of the human population at best, that straight people should get to define what sex is and nobody else should be able to do this at all.

I also don't like people who are straight and claim that they're "Allies" or "Straight but not narrow!" and for same gender marriage but get disgusted when they see two men kiss in public or kiss because they are in a relationship together and they don't want to hear about how bisexual and gay men have sex together or they get personally offended when a man that's not straight happens to flirt with them.
 
Personally, I think homosexuality isnt a choice. I think people will be attracted who they are attracted to. However, they do have a choice to pursue dating someone of the same sex. My very best friend has been attracted to men his whole life, but just recently (he's now 18) started dating his first boyfriend.

I think people should have the freedom to love who they want, whether it is the same sex or not. =D
 
The jury is actually in on this one. As far as the scientific community is concerned. It doesen't take science to tell me what I already know though.

Homosexuality is natural,exists in all organisms for multiple purposes. Also it can be genetic. If fucking who you want is a choice then sure it's a choice but I think we are getting into semantics here as far as the word choice goes. It is not a choice like Ohh should I have sex with tom or tina as some right wing nutt jobs say. It is something wired in the brain by nature(for most) perhaps as a means of population control.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Not all straight people are like this but I don't like the ones that are the way you described.

I remember telling a straight male friend of mine about how bisexual men and gay men have sex with each other and he went on to say how because bisexual and gay men make up maybe 8-10% of the human population at best, that straight people should get to define what sex is and nobody else should be able to do this at all.

I also don't like people who are straight and claim that they're "Allies" or "Straight but not narrow!" and for same gender marriage but get disgusted when they see two men kiss in public or kiss because they are in a relationship together and they don't want to hear about how bisexual and gay men have sex together or they get personally offended when a man that's not straight happens to flirt with them.
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i get annoyed when minorities are allowed to discrminate and use terms that the majority would fry for. for example; you use the word "straight", (which is an antagonism for normal) i use the word queer,(which is YOUR own definition) and i get lambasted for it.

its about time minorities got on with thier lives and stopped pervading the lives of those who dont want to know about it.
 
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