the psychedelic viewpoint

[yougeekay]

EDIT: im retarded i mispelled the title if a mod could fix it.. anyway..

so even tho psychs create extreme diversity in people it also tends to inspire a lot of the same ideas in people, why is this? im no expert but i think its because these chemicals contain knowledge that when combined with the right mind will reveal themselves to you pretty naturally.

i was wondering if we could try to define the knowledge that is universally available to all of us through these substances.

Ive been in the scene for a couple years now and been through a lot in my life, so iv had a while to come up with my thoughts and for me the psychedelic viewpoint pretty obviously seems to be that:

1. this reality is but a dream, much the way you never realize your dreams are just a series of thought loops until you wake up, your reality is just a fractal of your whole self which is connected on another plane to the infinity of intelligence that flows through all of existence.

2. our universe is one whole thing, there is no separation between you or me or the sky or the earth, it is all one, and we are just fractals of each other. we were created so that the universe could experience itself and we all share a connected consciousness.

3. we create our reality. what you experience right now is the product of your thoughts, its all feedback from the universe based on the what you send out into the connected consciousness.

in my opinion these are all ideas that will naturally come to anyone who spends a great deal of their time experimenting with psychedelics as long as you are a happy wholesome and intelligent individual.

i do think that eventually i would have come to believe these truths whether i had taken psychedelics or not but i must say that without them i don't think i would totally be able to accept and integrate these ideas into my life... which would have left me pretty miserable which is what i was before i started upon my journey.

its true what they say, if you seek then you shall find.

thoughts?

 

[knock]

I don't think these ideas are the sole preserve of psychedelics, a reasonable person would come to these conclusions or similar ones through observation and logic. But psychedelics surely reinforce them.

Oh wait, that's what you said, sorry. Well, I agree.

 

[Legerity]

To me psychedelics are a way of experiencing these truths rather than only believing them on an intellectual level.

I've read all sorts of spiritual teachings and I've found it very difficult to integrate them to the point that they change my experience of reality. Psychedelics and MDMA have been like a bridge that allow me to take all the information that I've learned and actually experience it.

I don't think they are necessary for everybody, they are just one path among many. But they sure as hell speed up the whole growth process.

 

[mr.mackey]

I don't think chemicals can "contain knowledge". Psychedelic Chemicals bind to an array of receptor sites that cause profound changes and alterations in consciousness, but I don't think you can attribute the knowledge or insight that result from those changes to being inherent in the chemicals themselves.

 

[X3DFX]

Yeah I feel you. Now how do we get everyone who doesn't understand, to understand? Thats the challenging part.

 

[Godzilla]

Op your awesome. Very good description..

 

[yougeekay]

Op your awesome. Very good description..

why thank you.

 

[Tunnelfission]

These are pretty new age concepts, which come hand in hand with psychedellic exploration

chicken...egg?

people have always had the notion that theres alot more available than what we are experiencing and I imagine that alot of dissatisfaction with life is based on not fullfilling these needs. The universe wanted to know itself, so we came from the collaborative efforts of all life on this planet, evolution fascinates me. Did the previous models have depth of insight, what does my cat feel on the same subjects? is emotional intelligence just as powerful as intellilectual? things we cannot know but certainly would benefit us to trust...

 

[Mjäll]

the knowledge of a reality beyond and behind our immediate perceptual cathegories

 

[psood0nym]

I think a lot of the commonalities between experiences today in the West that you refer to owe mostly to the cultural residues of the 1960s. Christians who use psychedelics often find their faith re-affirmed rather than modified, and their metaphysics is incompatible with what we think of as common changes in metaphysical belief owing to psychedelics use. Traditional indigenous uses of ayahuasca included imbibing it prior to warfare. From the perspective of a modern Western ayahuasca user it's difficult to imagine using oral DMT and then going off to bash people's skulls in, yet it was regularly used this way by the Yanomamos.

During the 1960s many psychiatrists theorized that LSD and marijuana were behind personality changes that happened during the period that are likely better explained by simply being in a culture of radical social change. There was talk at the time of LSD turning people into "acidheads," characterized by amotivation, magical beliefs, loose or idiosyncratic associations between concepts, openness, belief in the unity of self and the universe, etc. But it seems more likely that people with these tendencies were simply attracted to a culture tolerant and enabling of them. Others weren't necessarily changed deeply by the drugs, rather, the conformity demanded by the culture changed their stated political beliefs, goals in life, habits, etc.

After reviewing the psychiatric literature the authors of "Psychedelic Drugs Reconsidered," stated it this way on pg. 184:

... despite claims often made in the 1960s, this does not mean that there is any such thing as a psychedelic way of life: a metaphysics, ethics, and social philosophy that emerge irresistibly from the drug experience. Psychedelic drug users can be bellicose like the Yanomamos or peaceable like the Mazatecs; pagans like the Huichols, Christian like the peyote eaters, or vaguely Buddhist like the Beat Generation; primitive hunters and warrior like the Jivaros or, like North American Indians, users of psychedelic plants trying to reconcile themselves to the loss of the hunter's and warrior's life...

I would say that psychedelics help to loosen associations, break conceptual limits, and put accepted habits into question by simple virtue of radically altering peoples perspective (likewise, an extended stay in a strange country could do the same thing), and that these aspects helped spawn the hippie movement, but the outcome could have been very different in a different social context.

 

[Lord]

To me psychedelics open up the world in a way, it makes me see how my life was in a small corner of reality. You can see the framework of things, languages, reality. Everything makes sense, it all fits together so well that it's easy to remember and perceive how everything is working simultaneously, see objects from the past and how their influence influenced reality. I like the psychedelic feeling as a personal, recreational experience... but the library of knowledge is more like a cognitive illusion and spiritually it just makes you... well you know. Annoying.