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Your +4 Recipes

T 0:00 1 hit of some good, familiar lsd

T+ 2:00 200mg Methylone + 100mg Mephedrone

T+ 2:30 10mg 4-AcO-DMT

We then went to a country club, swam, went in the hot tub, sauna, it was like heaven on earth. A truly magical night that, the feeling of which I'll never forget.
 
I think this all just goes back to people not realizing what a ++++ really is.


And please, I haven't 'given up' on mushrooms. I still grow them, dude. I've just no further use for the space they offer at the time being.

Plus, there's no way you can get to repeated +4's [especially] doing it EVERY weekend for that long. What's that word....tolerance?
 
^ Well mayn I'm just havin' a shitty fuckin' day and this is just about the only place I got to take it out. Thought I had a job just for the background check to fuck me for some marijuana charges I got over 2 years ago.

It's wrong, but fuck. I hate this planet sometimes.

Sorry for bein' a dbag dudes.
 
lol i hear you man.. life sucks sometimes. its all good.



i just think you shouldnt be so quick to make some assumptions and when you do perhaps try presenting them in a more humble and assertive way, you know? people will be a lot more willing to hear you out if you do.. theres no need to be antagonistic here. just my 2 cents.
 
cryptix420 said:
If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment."
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This particular statement has always really bothered me; it seems quite presumptuous and not all together sound. I mean, I understand a good number of members here believe in the ontological veracity of their +4 drug experiences, but to put it out there as an objective assertion is still very arguable. The psychedelic experience is such a subjective and unique experience that is intimately intertwined with our unique perceptions and brain chemistry... is it really conceivable that a method to induce these heightened experiences would "end the human experiment?" Look at the conflict between the conclusions reached from various +4s already; it doesn't seem viable to me that they're any sort of real indicator of an objectively thorough understanding of the universe, but rather a subjective interpretation of the cosmos, which, while still very meaningful and important to the subject, remains... subjective still, at the core.
 
If accuracy is the worry then placing this the exact quote from pikhal will clear anything up for the future ofthis thread

"PLUS FOUR (++++) A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samādhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment." – Alexander Shulgin, PiHKAL, 1991


to me this seems like a "transformative" experience where you simply surpass yourself or go past previous conventions so even religious experiences while tripping are considered +4, they seem to just be personal and very humbling, taking one beyond something or to a place in trips that is signature to them, as a result I can understand and accept a large amount of +4 experiences occurring and being reported, god looks different to everyone.

when I was on methamp and LSD the feeling was of great bravery in the acid state of mind and I wasn't so much inside my body I discovered(to my own interpretation) the center of consiousness being outside of the physical body it was in the area surrounding it and I was that consiousness, but I was also all my friends especially for interacting with the flawless humour that we entertained eachother with the whole night, very out of body and not as apparent on hallucination as much as a shattering of perspective, i felt no physical effects anymore but I was some extreme emptiness that was inheirent in all and everything, what was me was merely the area that was being perceived and I was increased to span several beings... "group mind".

very different from the +2 or +3 i've had because those are usually anxious until i come fully up and very ego bound still with varying degrees of personal security and confidence during, my +4 was of buddhist serenity and grand instinctual animal wisdom entering my body as i opened it and became receptive rather than bound. I felt alien and I fell in love with life and being again in a new way.
 
5 pills of mdma/mda/2cb, 8 grams of mushrooms, and 40 gelcaps of dxm was by far the most powerfull experice ive ever had, thats the only time ive ever had that sensasion of your body leaving your body. I remember i also took a couple capsules of pepto bismol in tablet form that time since i knew my stomach wouldnt like all of that too much, and it seemed to help with the naseau a lot
 
It is quite possible to have repeatable ++++ every time. Especially when you add nitrous to the mix.

I *always* get ++++ on:

LSD+nitrous
2ce+dxm+nitrous
salvia+dxm+nitrous

I had a ++++ on 2ce+mdma, and would love nothing more than to do that combo again and again, but I have only done it once so I am not sure if that will repeat. However I have had ++++ on mdma alone, so I'm fairly certain mdma+nitrous would equal a consistent ++++ for me, but I haven't tried it yet.
 
Hm.


Well is it safe to say that any subsequent ++++'s off the same substance would have just a little bit less of the magic than the first time (thus really being like a 3.9 and not a 4)? I really do feel that the brain savors novel experiences quite a bit.

I mean think of MDMA...that first real roll is mind numbingly euphoricly awesome. Subsequent rolls can also be fantastic, but never really like the first, just because you know what to expect.
 
It's not really tolerance I'm talking about...more just becoming accustomed to the effects of a drug and not having that 'holy jesus god this is incredible' feeling.
 
I *always* get ++++ on:
lsd+mdma
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This is just further proving that you will not know when you've had a ++++ until you've had one. You don't "get ++++s regularly". That just doesn't happen. People here don't understand that a ++++ is not just tripping really hard.

I'm sure you got to a +3 or +3.5, but people need to understand that a +3.5 can involve leaving your body, entity contact, etc etc etc. It seems people have overlooked Shulgin's statement about a "rare and precious transcendental state". If it was so fucking easy, I would have had 100s by now.

The majority of psychedelic users don't ever experience a ++++ in their life. (yes that is a generalization, but I think it is very true)

++++s are LIFE CHANGING. If you got a ++++ everytime you did lsd+mdma, how would that fit the description of a ++++ at all? (i'm not attacking you, I'm just using your example to show why I believe this)
It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity...
...which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment.
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I agree here, My first +4 trips have been just earhquaking and have me on my hands and knees begging for life to continue forever so I can be this revelation, but my more recent +4 trips have been simply a reminder or that exact mindset(s) therefore enabling me to re assert myself from those veiwpoints, simply I've found how to open up but for many factors I don;t always stay at the point of extreme receptivity and freedom from pretention that I do so idolize.

I define my + 4 as chaos...all human thought it simply a shot at structuring what they experience but from a true objective point of view everything is in a state of mass chaotics and it is simplly the urge of life to do the things we do, to discover that these are merely our human tendencies and to transcend them is to see from the eyes of god, god which is all energy existing in however way it does.

that a state "this one" gets to, which is what I call myself (this thing) when i'm tripping that hard.

anyone get me? :P


edit: also I think some people must be prone to understanding the secrets of deeper places than others, I've found that amphetamines(any type, MDMA, meth, Dexadrine) and LSD/mushrooms split my mind is just the right way that I feel quite like i'm in another realm, and the rules of yesturday just don't apply, schitzophrenic orgies, ideas that will never make sense again. Your off your feet for sure and at the time your in a zone that you would gladly surrender your life for to exist in forever. Your can't remember anyones name but you love them enough to cry at the sight of them and are ready to become one with them in any way that these vessels can access.

i've been there, either that or +3 is WILD!!!!!
 
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"not necessarily repeatable" is not equivalent to "non-repeatable"

It is quite possible to have replicable experiences. It's just that most people don't bother to put the energy into finding the right combination of things to get to the same zone consistently.
 
I still find it hard to believe that something as benign as candyflipping could get you to a ++++ at all, let alone consistently.

ESPECIALLY find it hard to believe that you reached ++++ on MDMA alone. Not that I don't love MDMA, but I don't think it's really a drug that lends itself to deep intellectual/transcendental exploration, for god's sake it's in-your-face euphoria and love. Being deeply connected to others, even to the point of ego loss, hardly fits the bill of a ++++, at least Shulgin's description.
 
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