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Heroin/Meth Users, I have a Question for You

violetvisions said:
herion doesn't have a comedown?

are you fucking kidding me?!

herion has THE WORST comedown possible and is also 5X addictive as meth.
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Worst comedown if you're addicted to it, otherwise no. Meth has a comedown every time, although I sort of enjoy it. Just season with weed and benzos to taste.
 
rollin420girl said:
What would you say to an 18 year old wanting to use heroin? My poisons are weed, E, and alcohol. But ever since I rolled for the first time, I've found myself wanting to try harder and harder drugs. So...what do you think? Should I try heroin or meth? Or are those two worlds just way too dangerous to get myself mixed up in? In other words, based on your experience with both or one of the two drugs, what would you say to someone wanting to try one of them?
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When I did heroin to finish a meth comedown, I was sick for 24 hours.
Just a little information that might help.
 
Heroin usually makes you sick the first time you use it. You need to develop a tolerance to opiates before you can enjoy the high. also its insanely dangerous if you dont know how much to take.

I prefer meth all day every day over heroin. But every ones different.

What sort of high do you want? Going out having fun talking lots life embracing felel? Staying home chilling out slowing down blissful abyss type?
 
herion is not my flavor, however meth is, my advice to an 18yr.old wanting to try it would have to be speaking from expierence, i would in no way what so ever recommend it. if you havent tried it before, youre not missing out on anyhthing. trust me on this the last thing you want to be doing is meth. if i could be 18 again, i would not be where i am now, and where i am now is pretty much nowhere. again, if i were you, i would NOT try it.
 
kokaino said:
having had extensive experience with both crystal meth and heroin, i can tell u that it would be a very very bad idea to start with either.

I've found meth and heroin to be equally addictive, heroin obviously being more physically addicting, while meth is psychologically more addictive/re-enforcing.

i would suggest u NOT try either, but if u had to, I'd say go with the heroin.

meth will destroy u, deteriorate your body and mind, it will turn u into a pathological liar, will make u do heinous things to ppl, it will make u lose sense of morality, it will ruin your teeth, cause brain damage, will make u totally shameless, age u exponentially, and then kill u very quickly.
basically, meth will chew u up and spit u out.

Heroin is a lot more merciful.
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The first half of your post was very nice, but I have issues with the second half due to obvious bias. You could replace "meth" with just about every drug and it wouldn't make that paragraph sound wrong at all. I don't see where you could pick up that heroin is more "merciful". Of course, this could just be your experience, but the way that post was worded just makes it seem like you tried to interject your opinion as if it was a fact.
 
Aok said:
I was talking about Heroin and brain damage:
Here's one: Heroin Brain Damage Rising
http://www.medbook.md/news1045.html

Another study:
Heroin Causes Alzheimer-like Brain Damage

Researchers have found that young heroin users suffer a level of brain damage similar to that seen in the early stages of Alzheimer's disease.
The research team from the University of Edinburgh studied the autopsied brains of 34 drug users with a history of opiate abuse - mainly heroin and methadone. Most had died of a drug overdose, but all were HIV negative and had no history of head injuries.
They also looked at the autopsied brains of 16 people who had no history of drug
abuse or neurological impairment.
The average age in both groups was 26 and drug abusers as young as 17 were included.
The study found that young drug abusers were up to three times more likely to suffer brain damage, than those who did not use drugs. The drug abusers meanwhile sustained a level of brain damage normally only seen in much older people and similar to the early stages of Alzheimer's.
"Our study shows evidence of an increased risk of brain damage associated with heroin and methadone use, which may be highest in the young, when individuals are most likely to acquire the habit", said lead researcher, Professor Jeanne Bell.
Professor Bell said that in a previous study, the research team found that drug abuse causes low grade inflammation in the brain. Taken together, she explained, the two studies suggest that intravenous opiate abuse may be linked to premature ageing of the brain.
"This study shows that drug abuse can lead to a build up of proteins which cause severe nerve cell damage and death in essential parts of the brain. The drug users we looked at sadly died at a young age, but there are many others who don't realise the long-term effects that these drugs may be causing", Professor Bell said.
In Ireland, the vast majority of heroin users live in the eastern region. An estimated 13,000 heroin users currently live in Dublin.
Details of this study are published in the journal, Neuropathology and Applied Neurobiology.

Sorry for the long post, I couldn't get the link to work.
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it's funny that you show this---because it's TRUE.

because of my long term use of herion i am already developing alzheimers at 21.

i cannot remeber people i went to highschool with

and in fact have lost all my childhood memories.

i forget what month it is constantly and dont remeber names or faces.

what happened in the last 5 years of my life? not sure.
 
rollin420girl said:
What would you say to an 18 year old wanting to use heroin? My poisons are weed, E, and alcohol. But ever since I rolled for the first time, I've found myself wanting to try harder and harder drugs. So...what do you think? Should I try heroin or meth? Or are those two worlds just way too dangerous to get myself mixed up in? In other words, based on your experience with both or one of the two drugs, what would you say to someone wanting to try one of them?
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You will leave the party world and enter the junkie self indulgant world
 
psychomimetic said:
Point me towards a single scientific study that demonstrates that opiates cause brain damage.

I'm an opiate user myself. I've done extensive research on them. I live a fine life. Most of my friends are opiate users, and all of them are functional humans who are unharmed by their use.

The only way heroin could cause brain damage would be if you overdosed and became oxygen deprived. And that's fairly easy to avoid. Obviously heroin isn't 100% safe, but it's infinitly safer then meth, and it can be used in a safe and responsible manner.

The only thing that makes heroin use dangerous is prohibition. If drug laws were repealed then heroin would be an extremly safe substance to use. I'm sure you know many people who take opiates, things like hydrocodone or oxycontin or codeine and are completly functional people. In terms of danger, I'd say alcohol poses a greater threat to your health than opiates.
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obviously you know very little of the drugs you speak of. especially opiates and herion.

opiates cause irreversable damage to the brain because they release high amounts of endorphins which bind to pain receptors in your brain

this numbs you out and changes your ENTIRE brain chemistry---making parts of your brain shut down and essentially
deteriorate because parts of it are not being used (such as memory lobes and thought proccess)

its also causes damage to the nuerology of your body...because when you get OFF of opiates...your brain suddenly wakes up and your brain---which should have been

sending out a shit load of endorphins to mask pain---has been producing NONE because the painkillers have....and also the opiates have bound over

every essential pain receptor throughout your body (such as in hips, backs, feet, neck, etc)

so that's why EVERY part of you hurts during withdrawals---is because suddenly the drug is not there to mask the pain---and your nerves wake up and get a RUSH of pain yet your brain can't produce any endorphins because of it's dependance on the drug--

and this process that i speak of----happens within the first time within taking an opiate.


methamphetamine takes deliberate long term use to cause severe damage to the brain. (more than 3 times)

meth causes damage by creating a rush of dopamine to the brain

(hence the EXTREME energy) it releases 5X the normal amount

and eventually this can lead to irreversable damages that lead to psychosis and

loss of dopamine (this is what your brain creates in fight or flight situations---but long term meth use will destroy your brain from naturally creating dopamine)

you can try meth once without having your brain completely destroyed like with opiates.

you just have to make sure you are with someone who can help you through the proccess---and must remeber afterwards that meth is something that should be a once in awhile lifetime experience, if anything.

your body/brain can heal quicker from a meth rush than it can from an opiate rush.


i would know this from my own drug use and also having a 4 year degree in medical science of drug abuse/dependancy.

since i had done all the drugs, i wanted to know what they were doing to me scientifically....

it's really quite interesting actually.

and as a drug counselour who is in FACT, an addict

(hypocritical isn't it?)

i would say that you should always study up on a drug and look before you leap--otherwise you're going to be in neck deep with nowhere to run.

and as a drug counselour--i would strongly recommend you stick to weed and pure MDMA and go to raves

(do you ever hear of raver's stabbing each other to death over a fix? NO!)

if weed and MDMA were legalized, the world would be a MUCH better place.
 
violetvisions said:
obviously you know very little of the drugs you speak of. especially opiates and herion.

opiates cause irreversable damage to the brain because they release high amounts of endorphins which bind to pain receptors in your brain

this numbs you out and changes your ENTIRE brain chemistry---making parts of your brain shut down and essentially
deteriorate because parts of it are not being used (such as memory lobes and thought proccess)

its also causes damage to the nuerology of your body...because when you get OFF of opiates...your brain suddenly wakes up and your brain---which should have been

sending out a shit load of endorphins to mask pain---has been producing NONE because the painkillers have....and also the opiates have bound over

every essential pain receptor throughout your body (such as in hips, backs, feet, neck, etc)

so that's why EVERY part of you hurts during withdrawals---is because suddenly the drug is not there to mask the pain---and your nerves wake up and get a RUSH of pain yet your brain can't produce any endorphins because of it's dependance on the drug--

and this process that i speak of----happens within the first time within taking an opiate.


methamphetamine takes deliberate long term use to cause severe damage to the brain. (more than 3 times)

meth causes damage by creating a rush of dopamine to the brain

(hence the EXTREME energy) it releases 5X the normal amount

and eventually this can lead to irreversable damages that lead to psychosis and

loss of dopamine (this is what your brain creates in fight or flight situations---but long term meth use will destroy your brain from naturally creating dopamine)

you can try meth once without having your brain completely destroyed like with opiates.

you just have to make sure you are with someone who can help you through the proccess---and must remeber afterwards that meth is something that should be a once in awhile lifetime experience, if anything.

your body/brain can heal quicker from a meth rush than it can from an opiate rush.


i would know this from my own drug use and also having a 4 year degree in medical science of drug abuse/dependancy.

since i had done all the drugs, i wanted to know what they were doing to me scientifically....

it's really quite interesting actually.

and as a drug counselour who is in FACT, an addict

(hypocritical isn't it?)

i would say that you should always study up on a drug and look before you leap--otherwise you're going to be in neck deep with nowhere to run.

and as a drug counselour--i would strongly recommend you stick to weed and pure MDMA and go to raves

(do you ever hear of raver's stabbing each other to death over a fix? NO!)

if weed and MDMA were legalized, the world would be a MUCH better place.
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i believe all the things you say about meth & heroin. but then you have to go on with this "but these drugs are ok" rubbish. total garbage. if you abuse weed or mdma you will end up with brain damage too. its just common sense. i have known personally more people who have ended up brain dead zombies from smoking weed every day than i count. there are no safe drugs. harn reduction is good but there are no safety drugs. its all doing you harm.
 
meth fucks your brain up in one try way worse

u will never feel the same it like burns your brain n shit

go with the h
youull b sick
and get over it
 
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Don't be a friggin idiot, it's too easy to get hooked and I don't know an addict who doesn't regret it. My life would be very different if I had stuck to spliff.
 
I'm 18 and started taking heroin at 16. First time I took it I spewed and thought "I'll never get addicted to this".

A year later I was homeless, out shoplifting everyday to fund my habit and had pushed all my friends and family away from me.

It might seem fun at first, but it takes every part of your life away, gradually. And like me, a year down the line you'll be regretting the day you ever had a toot.
 
You can't blame that on the gear, you must be suffering from something else. I been on the gear for a little over 40 years, and mentally I am totally normal and it hasn't affected my intelegence or my every day ability to function normally. I'm not sticking up for the gear, I just don't believe it's doing those things to you mate.
 
django47 said:
You can't blame that on the gear, you must be suffering from something else. I been on the gear for a little over 40 years, and mentally I am totally normal and it hasn't affected my intelegence or my every day ability to function normally. I'm not sticking up for the gear, I just don't believe it's doing those things to you mate.
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It works differently on different people I suppose. I don't believe my usage has affected my intelligence, yet close one's say they can notice a huge difference in me.

I got bad depression whilst taking kit, but that was probably down to not having a stable environment and a whole bunch of other things, rather than the actual heroin itself.
 
it depends on your personality and yours sounds like mine so i would say HELL NO haha i got hooked like hell on meth turned into someone i didnt know. i have beatin it now but it took 4 years of hell
 
meth SUX!!! try hydrocodone or heroin!! You dont wanna become a crank slut! that shit makes you horny and before you know it you will be fucking everyone for a lil bit of meth! meth takes your soul and makes you unhumane!!! METH SUCKS DONT TRY IT!!! GET SOME PERCS OR VICODEN!!!!! EAsy to get and cheaper!!!!!! and you can still function prolly better and not be a skinny toothless sick souless crank slut in 5 yrs!
 
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