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Really Tripping with pets

I just dosed my dog with some H intravenously after feeding him some tabs of acid, now I'm fucking his dogass.
 
I find it funny those who are so quick to jump and say this is super cruel. My cats are probably my favorite things to play with on or off psychedelics. I have been curious as to giving them some, however due to their size and not knowing how their body breaks it down I have not. As for those of you claiming this is cruel because they don't know what they are getting into, can you tell me what they are thinking then, since you seem to obviously know. Or those of you saying "You wouldn't give psychedelics to your children or a baby" Did you know that there is a religious group out there (Santo Diame) that knowingly, openly, and willingly gives their children, and even babies Ayahuasca. This is not some cult, either this is a world recognized CHRISTIAN religion. Not only that but even the United States recognizes this religion and allows for the infants and children to take said substances.

I do not see anything wrong with giving your pets psychedelics. unless of course they did not like ti the first time and you are doing it again regardless. I have often wanted to give my animals psychedelics when tripping on a spiritual level. Animals seem to know when you are under the influence of something and often times my cat will sit and wait by the plate full of 2C-E as I am measuring out the doses looking at me as if he wants some. He doesn't normally come sit next to me and observe me in such ways, only when I am weighing out 2C-E, as if by chance he has licked the plate before and knows what I am handling and now wants more. My cat doesn't even act like that when there is food on the plate.

Also, My cat loves marijuana! He will actually try to steal my stash away if I'm not paying attention. Then, proceed to try and eat it.

I probably wont ever give my animals psychedelics, I don't think it would be any worse than giving them to a person. And, to say an animal can't gain anything from a psychedelic is ignorant. Hell, with an attitude like that I might even say you are dumber than my pets (which is only an insult if you think animals are truly dumber than humans). Humans have simply been trained to do more tricks.
 
To suppose that animals (well, non-primates anyway) "trip" when we give them a psychedelic is a TOTALLY HUGE and COMPLETELY INVALID anthropomorphization.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H-VoPVFNyw

Has no one seen this??? cats and dogs DO trip, but whether thats ethical or not depends on the situation. (for ex: the youtube video above is completely unethical and pretty scary, but the OP's example sounds like an experience both him and his animals enjoyed.

And what's with the crazies acting as if undergoing one spiritual adventure with your dogs sometime in your past is some sort of demented behavior?
 
Are you all haters suggesting that I don't love animals? I am cruel and deranged because I don't see any harm? 8L4YN3, you are incredibly close minded, and don't seem to see how psychedelics can help animals. Put it under surgery, now we have have an immediate effect after surgery. You won't know if the hit of acid improved their life or not, simply because you can't peer into their brains. Missed opportunity. Companion animals are precious, but the owner gives the animals a psychiatric tool and now they're cruel?

Cruel is defined as:
1. Causing pain or suffering: "I can't stand people who are cruel to animals".
2. Having or showing a sadistic disregard for the pain or suffering of others.

The results are in! The OP did neither of these.

Give me a veterinarian doctorate and a prescription pad and suddenly I am not cruel. I'm right. The doctor is always right. I am the doctor. If they start animals on psychedelic treatment you're going to call them cruel too, without regard of whether the animal's life improved or not.
 
8L4YN3 said:
My final question to those that think nothing wrong of dosing animals, Why is it okay to dose an animal unknowingly, but generally accepted that it's pretty cruel to dose a human without telling them, but to dose an animal that dosn't even know what a drug or nervous system is, is totally fine?
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I've been watching this thread for a while, and this seems to come up quite often. But it's obviously impossible to give an animal a drug with it's knowledge. I figure the closest we can come to this is to allow them to eat something they would not normally eat, containing a low dose of whatever drug. Mushrooms or weed are good examples. If they repeatedly show an interest in eating the stuff you can probably assume they like it.

motiv311 said:
I don't think we should keep this thread going.... animal rights advocates would have a field day... it could threaten bluelight. Any Mods out there? You agree?
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Eh maybe, but most of the posts are just discussion, with only a few being about peoples past experiences with this.

It's good discussion too, and brings up several moral dilemmas. Like I said before, scientists give psychedelics and other drugs to rats and mice quite routinely, often in strange new environments, and just observe the effects on behaviour. Are rats and mice less worthy of our concern than more common pets? Is it better or worse to give animals drugs and simply observe their behaviour than to interact with them as a close friend? And perhaps most importantly, can we learn something about the effects of drugs on human psychology by first experimenting with animals?
 
Animal testing has its place. Human life is far more valuable than mice or rats. Not only does it help humans gain a better understanding of drugs and their effects, but it can also save lives and prevent injury.

Dosing pets with psychedelics is stupid and inhumane. I don't even see why anyone would do it if they truly cared for their pets.
 
Ok, so why do you think dosing pets is inhumane? A lack of purpose? That doesn't necessarily have to be the case.
 
^ Jesus fucking christ you animal experimenters are so god damned dense. Its inhumane because suddenly for no reason, if it even works at all in their brains, the animal is hallucinating all sorts of unreal whatever... seeing a chair turn into a giant threatening set of monster jaws, weird body sensations like it is sick, whatever, and probably experiences an extreme fear reaction. It has NO way of knowing the effects are due to a drug and will wear off later, and it will believe that suddenly its normal safe world has turned into a nightmare. And this is something that you, its supposedly loving friend have done to it against its will. FUCKING DUH!!!!

Just look up reactions of PEOPLE who are given hallucinogens without their knowledge and apply that to animals.

Now please go throw yourselves off a cliff before you torture any more poor innocent creatures! Retarded scumbags, you make me sick.
 
DwayneHoover said:
Just look up reactions of PEOPLE who are given hallucinogens without their knowledge and apply that to animals.

Now please go throw yourselves off a cliff before you torture any more poor innocent creatures! Retarded scumbags, you make me sick.
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You assume the worst will happen and expect me to throw myself off the cliff. I hope you have a lot of Nyquil, because you're gonna be sick for a long time. I don't really know how to react to this statement but I'll reserve judgment, from the way you behave.

I'll ask: Has anyone ever seen an animal eat a psychedelic and turn crazy permanently? Now how many people have seen an animal enjoy a trip?

Lets say you give them a food. Dog food. With ashes, crude fat, and other things I would not eat. That is a kind thing to do? Really now, I love pets and I would not really want to dose them, but for those who did, did their animals get fucked up? Are they now brain dead? Whats up?
 
My friends Boston Terrier had puppies and I shit you not some dumbass left his sweet breath out and one of the puppies at it! He was rushed to the vet, ended up being ok. He seems like a perfectly healthy and happy dog these days.
 
Ever seen an animal get scared because of something it doesn't understand? Like fireworks, lightning, angry humans? Now imagine the animal on a psychedelic drug. It doesn't understand and is able to conceptualize what is happening, for several hours on end. I think it's a good recipe for inducing PTSD in an animal, to name one thing. Cruel beyond belief. Simple logic would deter sane people from ever going through with it, or thinking about it for that matter. Experimenting for the sake of experimenting is not something you should do with a pet, an animal you want to protect and should have unconditional love for. Why am I even explaining this? Have the people who considered this no notion of what love for a friend or a pet is? Do you have no morals? Are they skewed due to desensitization of the experiments you've read about and conducted in laboratories? Do you really think it's alright to knowingly and wittingly put an animal you love through possible hell? Stuff like this really makes me angry, people considering such things should not be allowed to have animals imo.
 
Blowmonkey said:
Simple logic would deter sane people from ever going through with it, or thinking about it for that matter.
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Come on -- you can't argue that it's not an intriguing thought. I think deliriant drugs and schizophrenia are intriguing just the same. What really happens in a fairly intelligent animal's mind if it's introduced to something like LSD? Would a cat's trip be different than a dog's? Is it possible for an animal to be dosed in the right "set and setting" by chance, resulting in a sort of positive experience?
 
Well, personally, I don't find it all too intriguing really. Every animal will react differently to something like that, they all have different neurochemistries. I think the one thing they will all have in common with each other though is a generalized form of fear and anxiety.

Stick to catnip if you want to see your cat on drugs, enough enjoyment and experimenting I'd say.
 
I would never do this myself because I would never want to be responsible for fucking up an animal, but wouldn't it make more sense to introduce an extremely low dose of a psychedelic into a pet's food, then slowly increase the dose only if the animal CLEARLY enjoys it? Otherwise I don't see how you could give a pet psychedelics without there being a serious risk of shit going horribly wrong.

Leave the psychs to creatures capable of understanding the experience. =D
 
Giving lsd to any animal is so dumb, they are way smaller and have tiny hearts.. when i trip my pulse flies through the roof and i get super tensed up, i can't imagine a small cat or dog surviving something like this without dieing.
 
Once when I was partying at my house a guy ate mushrooms and then vomited in my back yard. I was drunk, stoned, and on LSD, MDMA, and psilocybin so I didn't think to clean it up. My dog ended up eating the vomit and started acting very strange. He began frantically running into things and whimpering. I ended up sitting on a couch for an hour holding him against my chest and whispering reassuring words into his ear while he squirmed as hard as he could.

It was a really horrible experience, for both of us. I was peaking and it freaked me out quite a bit. I would never give recreational drugs to an animal intentionally. I defiantly consider it cruel.
 
TheAppleCore said:
Yeah. You guys all know that you've cheesed a few times too.
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Your right! Cats get us high in the long run, I almost got to see the great kings daughters awesome bewbage too!

I'm cheesing my face off right now dudes.

Some cats like it some cats run away at the sight of smoke, as my cat would sit at the window I would blow a bong rip through the window as he was sitting in the pass and his eyes would glare he'd sniff it up and keep his eyes at half mass for a few minutes and usually walk off good and slow.... lol it's alot more common for pets to be exposed to some second hand or tertiary smoke and I believe alot more cruel to dose a small dog with speed, as one fella claimed to have done up there.
 
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