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Are opiates bringing our world to it's knees?

what a fucking stupid question..did the opium wars bring the western and eastern world to it's knees.no cluckin brings ur knees to ur chest, btu no h or opm has beenaround for centuries as longs as man noted tthat opium was the when being heated/cooked theleast stupideiest smell ever. the world will go on with fully useable knees
 
Considering the relative safety of responsible, controlled opiate use, I'd venture to say it's opiate prohibition that's leading to the destruction of our world.

Opiate users and even addicts who have a steady source for quality-controlled drugs can live long, productive lives--it's the need to constantly focus on scoring the next hit that tears lives apart. Kinda hard to focus on hygiene, nutrition and holding down a home or job when you have to get money for drugs, contact a dealer and such. The desperation of that lifestyle is what leads to crime--NOT opiates themselves.

Opiate users are actually far less likely to be violent than alcoholics, which is why alcoholics used to be treated with morphine. When heroin was legal, pure and easy to obtain, people were far more likely to take it by mouth than intravenously...now that it's scarce and of questionable quality, IV is the administration method of choice.

Opiate addiction can certainly tear lives apart, but much of the destruction we associate with opiates (and other drugs) can be directly traced to prohibition.
 
your ansewer is yes...i think it brought our world to its knees a while ago.
 
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it likes to target teenage suburbia more then anything, the age of addicts whose d.o.c is an opiate who are entering treatment centers are getting younger by the minute. i beleive in 10 years it's going to be terrible. it's sad seeing 13 year olds sticking needles in there arms.
 
YellowNikes said:
yal are fucking retarded if you think its allright to just live addicted to opiates
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I think this is exactly the type of ignorance a few of you mentioned that contributes to the opiate stigma and part of being 'forced' into the criminal lifestyle. Why is it 'alright to just live' addicted to the thousands of other drugs that are prescribed every day by doctors around the world? Some people take the same medications for decades, many of which are abused by recreational users, some which are not.

The other half of this that I touched on is the lifestyle, which likely comes entirely from its legal status. Who is to say that if heroin were legal, or if someone with an addiction had access to OCs, that they couldn't live a completely normal lifestyle, similar to someone who takes an antidepressant and adderall every day, and their xanax 'as needed'?

I think a lot of us agree on these points, but they are certainly in quite the gray area. I don't know how many people actually would live the same normal life with complete access and education, but I would guess we would still have addicts on the street, though certainly less, but far less middle class people in rehabs and with debilitating drug problems, as the drugs wouldn't be such a heavily negative influence on their life. People born with opportunities wouldn't be robbed of them by their drug habit.

Personally I fall into that group, I was doing very well in college until I started living like a junkie. Had I total access to heroin, I think I could have maintained my grades. I rarely, if ever, skipped class because I was nodding off or just didn't feel like going. I skipped class because I was sick, or driving to Newark, or making money to support my habit.
 
Yup alot of people need to realize that addiction doesn't discriminate against nobody. I've met stock brokers, doctors, lawyers, cops, you name is that struggle with this shit of course nobody thinks its "allright" but whoever thinks opiate is a miracle drug is retarted. If you took a poll on how many people have actually benefited from opiates to the amount of people who have suffered severe consequences (such as myself state pen sentence, hep c, no family even wants to talk to me) your going to get a way larger result on the consequences side, this shit ruins lives more then it helps it.
 
It's the human mind state regarding opiates that are bringing people to their knees. I can only speak from experience though. I've seen some people that fit your explanation to a T - once addicted they resort to irrational, and sometimes even dangerous ways in order to obtain their DOC opiate. While I've met others (like my friends and myself) that have had mild opiates addictions for extended periods of time (by mild i mean 80mg - 160mg oxy / day), and have just sat there through the withdrawal. There was never any pawning, stealing, robbing, etc.

It all depends on who you are, and how strong you are to your morals and values. Hell, maybe the people I hung out with were exceptions. Some of my friends were lucky to have me - being the "all-knowing" drug user. I'd tell them, when you get that deep into shit, always remember who you really are, and most of them did. They knew deep down they weren't the kind of people that would go and commit crime or other deviant acts in order to finance their habits. And I constantly reminded them of it.

When my friend would be desperately trying to borrow money from others and his parents in order to score "just one more 80," I'd tell him, is it really worth it? Is it really worth it for those few hours to stay out of withdrawal? Does it not eat away at your consciousness? You only have half the money you need and you've been trying to get more all damn day. Why not just take what you have and get something else that won't feed into the addiction and put off that inevitable withdrawal just one more day?

You got lots of weed? Smoke it until you can't smoke no more. You got half of your money for an oxy? Go spend it on some 40% liquor and get wasted and just forget about. Do you really want to just stay out of withdrawal, or get high? Go but some Tylenol #1's (we're in Canada fyi) and I'll show you how to do a cold water extraction, you might catch a little buzz but if your tolerance is that high you may only just ward off the withdrawal.

I've had to deal with countless friends that were very close, if not already past the line of slipping up. They'd come to me and ask various questions about what they should do, and how they should do it. I'd give them all the knowledge I had in order to make their withdrawal less painful. Some would listen, others wouldn't. But eventually the ones that didn't listen would come around and "see the light."

I'd always ask them, "is it really worth it man? You like to get high - well shit, a lot of people do, but is it worth it in the way that you're heading? I'm not telling you to stop using drugs, but at least get back to baseline where you don't need drugs in order to get to baseline. And when you do, be careful not to slip again."

That advice is hard to take. I failed at it 3 times before I finally got my use back under control. I still use opiates, but no where near the frequency and doses I used to. Some can do it, others can't. Those who can't should sadly stay away from opiates. Because it is not worth giving up everything you've worked so hard for in life - to just throw it all away for a high.

In my *experience* (aka this is not universal for all people) drug users stumble upon one (or more drugs) that will give them problems in the long run. Being able to understand this, be cautious of this, and be aware when the problem is starting to occur can quite possibly save your life.
 
exit56 said:
I think this is exactly the type of ignorance a few of you mentioned that contributes to the opiate stigma and part of being 'forced' into the criminal lifestyle. Why is it 'alright to just live' addicted to the thousands of other drugs that are prescribed every day by doctors around the world? Some people take the same medications for decades, many of which are abused by recreational users, some which are not.
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I am actually for making ALL drugs legal, including opiates. I do agree that alot of the problems associated with drug abuse are caused by their legality(it is absolutely ridiculous that they send people to jail and ruin their lives for this shit, basically forcing a lot of people into a horrible cycle of living in and out of jail. it is fucking sick). but why i said that living addicted to opiates is fucking retarded is because its not good for you, yourself i dont give a shit what society thinks nor do i think that doing any drug is "criminal." Opiates are crutch. they break peoples spirits and then people rely on them to deal with pain(obviously physical but more importantly emotional pain) and its retarded to live like that because your missing out on a huge part of life. you wont be thinking about life you be obsessed with opiates basically just trying to forget about life. We all have such a crazy and beautiful life to live and to throw it all away for a few hours of pleasure and many more of constant pathetic obsession just seems wrong to me.
I know that what i have just said is opinion but i think there is a very valid point to it, and im not just picking on opiates really there is a huge number of addicting things that are just not worth it, and really they are just cowardly excuses for not wanting to deal with life.
 
sorry Tiesto i should have read yours before i posted. You summed up what i was talking about perfectly.
 
i personally think opiates are bringing kids who do drugs down. after i moved out of my state, and away from my friends who did drugs - all of which are opiate addicts - i found that surprisingly haha there are a bunch of people who dont use drugs.

just EVERYONE in my town does, so thats why i assumed it was such an epidemic. but really not every kid in the country is.

i think opiates are becoming more popular again, and drug use could be on the rise. but imo thats how cultures go. it fluctuates. kids do drugs, do drugs for life, become old, look like shit and become prime examples of what lifetime drug use does to ones self. younger generation see this and decides using drugs excessively is bad, so they just part it up and then grow up, but this creates no old people who look like shit, they are the healthy generation. so the younger generation thinks "oh drug use isnt bad.." and they use as kids, do drugs for life, become old, show what lifetime drug use does to ones self..and so on. granted people have always used for each generation but some generations more then others..

because i do notice that there really arnt old crazy bums that are just way to fucked up and such wondering around most towns, so kids of this generation dont see the damage life time drug use does..depending on the area you are. but for most upper middle class white kid, they dont see that, and think they can just get addicted to dope and be fine..
 
lizcass said:
Drugs used in the military, do the benefits outweigh the bad?
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Funny you say this i was watching the military channel and they openly give every single air force pilot amphetamines. They call them there go pills. Since lots of them are on 12 plus hour missions they needed something. But how can the government give them to pilots and prosecute civilians for using them? Screwed up world we live in
 
DexysMidnightRuner said:
i personally think opiates are bringing kids who do drugs down. after i moved out of my state, and away from my friends who did drugs - all of which are opiate addicts - i found that surprisingly haha there are a bunch of people who dont use drugs.

just EVERYONE in my town does, so thats why i assumed it was such an epidemic. but really not every kid in the country is.

i think opiates are becoming more popular again, and drug use could be on the rise. but imo thats how cultures go. it fluctuates. kids do drugs, do drugs for life, become old, look like shit and become prime examples of what lifetime drug use does to ones self. younger generation see this and decides using drugs excessively is bad, so they just part it up and then grow up, but this creates no old people who look like shit, they are the healthy generation. so the younger generation thinks "oh drug use isnt bad.." and they use as kids, do drugs for life, become old, show what lifetime drug use does to ones self..and so on. granted people have always used for each generation but some generations more then others..

because i do notice that there really arnt old crazy bums that are just way to fucked up and such wondering around most towns, so kids of this generation dont see the damage life time drug use does..depending on the area you are. but for most upper middle class white kid, they dont see that, and think they can just get addicted to dope and be fine..
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I completely agree. In my town I knew about 30 people that did dope, and the rest of my friends just smoked weed everyday. Damn near everyone used something daily, or atleast got blackout drunk every weekend and ate some xanax on occasion.

Then I went upstate NY for school and other than the usual stoners, I only had one friend that took oxy and benzos. I was completely shocked that all of the sudden I was like the worst person I knew when it came to drug use.
 
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