GBL Megathread 4: End of an Era?

[tm1210 mk2]

Well, if you continue it will just get harder and harder to quit, but Im sure youll manage it one day. I mean, we all have or will be there, and most manage to kick off the bad addiction. Mix the gibbles each time you grab a new bottle with pure kakao and chili or something... lol.

Well, you most probably always know this, but withdrawals will get bitchier and bitchier as time goes. IT may not be bad now, but dont be surprised if youll be having way nastier stuff later on.

Ive only been on it for 1 and a half week now with 30ml/day, literally dosing it each time the hour ticks another additional 2. Else Ill start shivering(tremors) and freeze as if it would be 1C inside my house and get some bad ass depression and anxiety. Already considering tapering now as Ill be off to Japan in a week, and I cant afford to bring the bottle there as my relatives will probably get a heart attack or something if they spot me dosing this nasty solvent liquid.

Fuck mate I'd start tapering sharpish if your off to Japan in a week. Withdrawls on a long flight doesn't sound nice.

 

[LuckyStriker]

Fuck mate I'd start tapering sharpish if your off to Japan in a week. Withdrawls on a long flight doesn't sound nice.

It was a really bad bad bad idea to starting using gibbles just before traveling, lesson learnt. And continuing using it until the day before traveling scares the hell off me, so im motivated to taper (I will succeed... i hope) BEgan yesterday and im taking 3/4 of the doses I used to and slowly decreasing the amount.

I am so lucky I got some zolpidem so I think ill be fine in the airplane at least in case I still suffer bad withdrawals.

 

[an rud is annamh]

I am so lucky I got some zolpidem so I think ill be fine in the airplane at least in case I still suffer bad withdrawals.

Zolpidem on airplanes: do not combine with alcohol if it served on the flight. Apparently I was standing up randomly in my sleep, singing, drooling on the guy next to me (who was also asleep) and pacing up and down the aisle making the other passengers worried. None of which I remember from an 8 hour flight. That was one zolpidem and one quarter bottle (a glass and a half) of Air France wine. Never again.

 

[LuckyStriker]

Zolpidem on airplanes: do not combine with alcohol if it served on the flight. Apparently I was standing up randomly in my sleep, singing, drooling on the guy next to me (who was also asleep) and pacing up and down the aisle making the other passengers worried. None of which I remember from an 8 hour flight. That was one zolpidem and one quarter bottle (a glass and a half) of Air France wine. Never again.

Funny one, but that is creepy.

Sleepwalking kinda sucks, I would have been scared like hell after the event. About the drooling though, I always do that while asleep. Its not uncommon for me to wake up with a soaked stinkin pillow below my head, or none at all. Sometimes, its below my feet that makes me wonder how the heck it went there, or below my bed that I fish up with my hand like it would have been dropped in water.

Actually happened to me yesterday when I took a few zolpidem and some gbl. I had ripped several posters inside my room and found a glass of water. That inside my dedicated box that I maintain daily to dust off.

the heck?

 

[tm1210 mk2]

Zolpidem on airplanes: do not combine with alcohol if it served on the flight. Apparently I was standing up randomly in my sleep, singing, drooling on the guy next to me (who was also asleep) and pacing up and down the aisle making the other passengers worried. None of which I remember from an 8 hour flight. That was one zolpidem and one quarter bottle (a glass and a half) of Air France wine. Never again.

Jesus Thought you'd get took down taser style for behavior like that after 9/11

 

[an rud is annamh]

Funny one, but that is creepy.

Sleepwalking kinda sucks, I would have been scared like hell after the event. About the drooling though, I always do that while asleep. Its not uncommon for me to wake up with a soaked stinkin pillow below my head, or none at all. Sometimes, its below my feet that makes me wonder how the heck it went there, or below my bed that I fish up with my hand like it would have been dropped in water.

Actually happened to me yesterday when I took a few zolpidem and some gbl. I had ripped several posters inside my room and found a glass of water. That inside my dedicated box that I maintain daily to dust off.

the heck?

Lucky I had my girlfriend there who couldn't sleep and stopped me from doing anything too insane for too long once she noticed my behaviour.

Jesus Thought you'd get took down taser style for behavior like that after 9/11

This was on a France->France flight (despite being transatlantic, parts of France are in the carribbean) so no tasers or air marshalls. Plus, most of the plane was middle aged French people with sympathetic doctors so pretty much everyone but the cabin crew were some kind analogue to ambien zombie. Got me thinking about how similar to working in a hospital it must be at times, except with no formal medical training. Like the pilot is a sort of medical technician. Then I blacked out.

 

[Transform]

so i'm motivated to taper (I will succeed... i hope) Began yesterday and im taking 3/4 of the doses I used to and slowly decreasing the amount.

Perhaps you could consider an NMDA antagonist to help.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=501875

 

[LuckyStriker]

Perhaps you could consider an NMDA antagonist to help.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=501875

Dont have any dealers of NMDA antagonists. Ive been interested in ketamine for a long while now but there is no way to get hold of it in Sweden. Besides that ordering is too late. Swedes are boring (full of srzzzlyness)>P

K hole just sounds too awesome. Floating around in space is what Ive always wanted to experience.

 

[Transform]

DXM containing cough mixtures are likely to be available in Sweden? If you were prescribed the bezos by your doctor he may be able to give memantine.

 

[MeDieViL]

Perhaps you could consider an NMDA antagonist to help.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=501875

+1

Ive been maintaining a 100ml GBL a week habit without any tolerance whatsoever on 40mg of memantine for many months now, sometimes a break of a few weeks as i allways order too late. Physical addiction isnt an issue as i never take GBL during the day, atleast not before 2-3 o clock.

 

[Evad]

Physical addiction with G only seems to really take effect when you start dosing round the clock, I've dosed in the evening, every evening for months at a time without so much as a shudder when stopping completely. Recently realised I was a mere mortal like everyone else and tipped 700ml down the sink before a slight issue because a rel one.

 

[LuckyStriker]

Does slowly increasing the timespan between each redose work to withdraw from it? I can stand the symptoms for 5 hours, so I am only taking 3 doses a day now.

Forgot there was a thread for withdrawing from gbl. Ill include this here anyway as I was too late to cancel posting.

 

[MeDieViL]

Physical addiction with G only seems to really take effect when you start dosing round the clock, I've dosed in the evening, every evening for months at a time without so much as a shudder when stopping completely. Recently realised I was a mere mortal like everyone else and tipped 700ml down the sink before a slight issue because a rel one.

Yeah, physical addiction can be avoided easily with G from my experience too.

 

[LuckyStriker]

Looks like I have to cancel my plan for the trip. I never used to get such a horrible withdrawal process before and thought it would be the same like before.

Damn it, and the ticket cant be returned. Its a waste of money...

 

[McPanda]

when do you travel ?

 

[SnrG]

Don't cancel trip yet!

LuckyStriker

I was about to post a reply when I saw your reply about withdrawals....and almost fell off my stool when I read your plan to travel with just zolpidem and no back up plan when you arrived in Japan.

I've been through the worst of what G can through at an unsuspecting addicted person...

As you've probably now discovered, as I see you get the bad shivers/crippling anxiety/depression already after a few hours after your last dose......there is a whole lot of other shit in the post unless you take some action to avoid delivery.

I found that about 8 hours in, the anxiety would subsist, to be replaced by a soul crushing depression, that would remain until day 3. About 36hours in, I also got an insane itch, which would move from various parts of my body, but seemed to linger on the pubic areas and the back. Basically, the most sensitive parts of the body. This became unbearable.

I gradually became less lucid, and more withdrawn during the 72 hours leading up to, the worst aspect.

For the next I started hallucinating. It started gently, like an acid trip, then got from almost amusing visuals, like seeing armies of ants crawling across the ceiling, through to mucous spiders webs, complete with large globulous spiders, that eventually disappeared when I smashed the webs and rubbed the spiders into the carpet, to looking at the hairs on my arm, which would turn into antlike insects moving like wheat blowing on a summer wind, through to, on looking closer at my arm, and having rubbed the ants away, I discovered sluglike things moving under my arm.

I was squeezing the slugs in a vicious pincer movement with finger and thumb (which I'm sure must have hurt, because my grip strength is around 90 kilos), until I managed to trap the bastards, and could see their heads and probiscus protruding through the skin (must have been lumps of tissue I'd mangled) - upon which I sprinted into the kitchen to look for some pliers, which I used to squeeze the creatures until I could see them stop moving. But of course the harder I looked, the more creatures I saw.

Then I looked out the window and saw someone looking back at me, with a video camera, as he was posting security for the people engaged in group orgies, and violent snuff typ movie sets which now occupied the whole street - I could even see where they'd blocked off the roads. I ended up calling the police to my flat, Twice in 24 hours, after I'd called them to report people making violent porn, and I could make out several people had left kids in puschairs unattended whilst they were fucking their brains out, and the guy on the skyseat 60 above the ground was at every window I looked out.

It was bad enough if I was there alone, but with my wife looking at me trying to tell me there was nothing there, as I was crawling round the floor pulling the curtains shut and hissing at her to stay the fuck away from the windows, and when I got up to have a look, and immediately saw the guy with the camera in my face, and trying to act like I didn't see him, and wasn't going to call the cops again to interrupt him and his buddies, as they got really fucked off before and I could hear things being thrown against the windows and them trying to break into the ground floor entrance, as well as the lound bangs and cracks like a pistol being fired (which I later discovered were the first signs of auditory hallucinations, and signs you know you're fucked)....

and onto day three, on which the hallucinations, which weren't hallucinations at all to me - they were my reality - moved from outside, to inside my apartment, and were there when I awoke from a nitemare filled one hour of exhausted sleep, after being awake for four days.

I saw people with guns standing at the end of my bed, about to torture and kill myself and wife and kid. This persisted until my wife noticed that I was ghostly white, sweating and shaking and praying with the ferocity of a suicide bomber about to flick his switch. She told me there was nobody but us in the room - I looked, and they had disappeared, at which point I got up, and screamed for an eternity before throwing myself on the floor. At which point the cat tore fuck out of my legs and left me bleeding quite badly.

I told my kid I didn't blame her for attacking me with scissors, as I totally understood

I can't remember much of the next 3 or 4 days, but I got another order in, which seemed to be the only thing to restore some semblance of order to my fucked brain.

Anyway, to get to the point, I ended up in that state after 8 weeks of G use. 6 of which got to the 18hr daily period, where I would dose after every couple of hours, and sleep for three hours or so after using abot 3mls for a knockout dose.

If I had taken baclofen, or pregabalin I would have been able to withdraw without any shitty side effects. The dose I've found effective was about 600mg prgab and 80 bac combined for about 12hrs, and a good nitemare free 8 hours sleep, reducing by 1/3rd over three days. The pregab you can take for a further week, and can use around 800mg per day, tailoring down to a last nite time dose of 200mg (I got prescribed 84 x 200mg caps). Then off.

I found it pointless to try and tell Doctors, either addiction specialists or regular GPs, about G and the best drugs for getting off it, because 1) they know nothing about it and 2) even though I gave the detox doctors and psychiatrists pages of detox protocols from other Psychiatrists I got from my own web research prior to being admitted (my gp was receptive, in that he gave the profferred pages a cursory glance, but did agree to prescribe benzos and anti histamines to knock me out, before my wife told him about the shit Id been through over the preceding 4 months, and decided a detox in hospital was probably better. The ward doctor thought G was a stimulant, gave me olanzapine and phenergan instead, which stopped the hallucinations, but did fuck all else, and I suffered like hell for ten days with maj depression/anxiety.

Apologies if this is incoherent, and rambling, but when I open that particular vault in my mind, the outflow blows me off my feet.

To get pregabalin, a doc will need to prescribe it for anxiety in most cases. Baclofen is much easier, and to feign a condition for this, muscle spasm and cramping are best to go for. It comes in 84 or 168 10mg blisterpack boxes in the UK. I got 84 initially, but did a bit of reading, and saw you could take a max of 100mg a day, outside of hospital, so I told the doc I had increased my dose from 30mg a day, to 60mg a day, and it worked fine for me. Took a couple of months having to remember to ask for it, then eventually both pregab and bac got on my list of regular meds, so I don't ever have to worry about not having it again.

I managed to do 10m G free, but ended up ordering more.

I hope you're more successful. But no need to cancel travel plns if you can access enough bac OR pregab (don't need both, but it makes for a much easier, and totally symptom free withdrawal).

good luck

 

[LuckyStriker]

Terrifying story...

Thanks for the advice, but Ill stick to tapering as I see the withdrawals get less and less progressive.

UPDATE: This is working really well. Phew

 

[Transform]

Sounds like horrendous delerium tremens from GABA withdrawal. Glad you got through it!

 

[attempt4]

I havent touched GBL in a year, but have more than had my fair share of the stuff.

Was going through about 140ml a week, 2-3ml hits.
Often mixing with huge amounts of diazepam, opiates and rum. Insanely stupid, I know, but I had little care about my wellbeing. A part of me hoped I would die, I think.
I would love to have 2ml on the comeup of a bomb of mephedrone.....incredible combo. And a wonderful comedown cure.

It got to the point i was doing hits every half hour to hour and eventually lead to a grand mal seizure which very nearly cost me my life. I fucking loved the stuff and would love to be able to take it again, but its not worth fucking my life up again. I can easily still get fine quality GBL, and sometimes it is difficult not to get it, but at the end of the day, life is far too short to be a complete retard and I have learned to love and care about myself more than I ever did.

 

[LuckyStriker]

I havent touched GBL in a year, but have more than had my fair share of the stuff.

Was going through about 140ml a week, 2-3ml hits.
Often mixing with huge amounts of diazepam, opiates and rum. Insanely stupid, I know, but I had little care about my wellbeing. A part of me hoped I would die, I think.
I would love to have 2ml on the comeup of a bomb of mephedrone.....incredible combo. And a wonderful comedown cure.

It got to the point i was doing hits every half hour to hour and eventually lead to a grand mal seizure which very nearly cost me my life. I fucking loved the stuff and would love to be able to take it again, but its not worth fucking my life up again. I can easily still get fine quality GBL, and sometimes it is difficult not to get it, but at the end of the day, life is far too short to be a complete retard and I have learned to love and care about myself more than I ever did.

Why not control your usage more? Like just using it when youre coming down or have taken way too much stims. You had a grand mal seizure man, isnt that enough to scare you away from retarded dosing now?

Btw, what happens post drug induced seizures? Does it make you have to take anticonvulsants for the rest of your life?