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still pretty new to lsd although i have taken it about 7 times. last time i had it we stored it in the freezer for about 2 months then ate it. the effects came on with-in 10 minutes.

my question is does placing lsd in the freezer (where i was told your ment to store it due to heat destroying the lsd) make it more potent? or just make the onset of effects come up quicker. they were cubes and the first time we had them it had taken about 45 to come up, although we only had 1 each the previous time

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the more you take, the faster it comes on... but nothing will ever make the LSD that's on there magically more potent.
 
I thought the same thing, today i had the same dose from the same batch, brought at the same time as my first ever dose 11 days ago. This time the onset came in 15-20 minuites instead of an hour and it was 10x more intense than last time, now 9 hours later in higher visually than i was at peak on my first trip. But maybe you smoked weed this time and not the last ? I think that was the pushing factor with me.
 
nah i didnt smoke weed as it was coming on, i had a valium though but my friends didnt and they still felt the onset within 10 minutes.

had eaten as well.
 
No there is absolutely no basis to believe that the potency may increase that way.

LSD deterioration is irreversible if you are not in the last synthesis step with a reaction in equilibrium.
If you have LSD then it is broken down by factors like heat, water near it / in the air, oxygen and UV radiation (in light), it always happens but if you store it very well it happens at a very slow rate while if you store it very badly it can happen quite quickly. So the best you can do is slow it down so much that it virtually stays the same. But you cannot go the other way, that is a law of chemistry.
Like I said you can only go the other way if it is an equilibrium.

Don't really have another explanation though for what happened to you other than that set & setting can be that powerful.

By the way the more often you have taken a drug in the past the sooner the effects may be felt. This is because of an effect similar to placebo that turns the anticipation of the known expected effect into an actually felt effect. No I am not calling anyone gullible, it just seems to work that way for people. And LSD is the drug just about the most sensitive to suggestion of all drugs.
 
A Bit unrelated (I'm sure it's been asked but I couldnt find it): Can vials of LSD be stored in the freezer?

I'm worried that all the liquid would freeze, resulting in something bad. But lets say it's in an ice drops bottle wrapped in foil, and in a glass mason jar, completely airtight. I know there's some alcohol in it, but I don't think it's 100% alcohol so I think it still could freeze.

Would there be a problem if I froze vials for long term storage (i wouldn't be dipping into them reguarly)? How long after taking it out of the freezer would it be 100% safe to open the mason jar with no risk of moisture getting in? 3 hours?

ALSO: Would silica gel (dessicant) be ideal to use? Wouldn't it theoretically suck up the moisture in the vial (the liquid)?

Is freezing vials the best bet if you want to keep it from degrading? Do I have anything to worry about if all the liquid freezes, or would it not change it? I know I would need to let it thaw before opening the mason jar, but I'm wondering if it's recommended, as I would like to preserve this amazing sample. Even if it was dissolved in water, would it be ideal to freeze?

I just have a little worry that the solidifying of the solution could do something bad to it. But I think i could be totally wrong.
Also, I heard from someone that LSD degrades a little faster when it's in solution. I know this is the case with many tryptamines, but I didn't think it was with LSD. Anyone know?
 
Freezing it should be no problem.

It's a problem when you have cells like fresh mushrooms have, if you freeze them the frozen cells burst because water expands and because the cells break you lose consistency and get mushy goo when you thaw it.

A vial of liquid is just a solution, the LSD molecules in solution are ok when you freeze-thaw.
Personally I don't think it actually matters if it's alcohol or water, though ice might break the vial more easily. Still I wouldn't worry.

You don't have to worry a lot about condensation because there is already water in your vial, actually it is mostly water! Condensation is not great though if the vial is empty for the most part and you get droplets on the inside that increase the volume of the liquid. You then have more liquid, but it's weaker (just diluted).

Don't use a dessicant, if your vial is sealed pretty airtight then I don't know where you'd want to put the dessicant. Inside the vial makes it absorb water from the (air) that gets out of the liquid, you are then effectively concentrating your liquid. If you put it on the outside of an airtight vial there is absolutely no purpose.
Of course always use another container with a dessicant, if you expose it to the freezer it will absorb water from it super quickly and become useless.

LSD does degrade a little faster in solution, for the reason you don't want moisture near your blotters: in solution compounds can get ionized much more easily leaving them all the more vulnerable to reactions that degrade the compound, turning it into something else.
With liquid acid instead of blotters, that's just the way it is unfortunately - you can just try to prevent other factors from posing a degradation threat, use an amber colored vial, I wouldn't shake it personally.
About compounds degrading faster in solution: it's true for tryptamines and LSD as well (if you don't include it with the tryptamines) because the compounds can be ionized. Definitely a LOT of compounds can be ionized.
Phenethylamines included but they just don't react that easily either way making it okay to store most of them in solution longer-term. Contaminations are your bigger worry.
 
Of course always use another container with a dessicant, if you expose it to the freezer it will absorb water from it super quickly and become useless.
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What do you mean by this? So I SHOULD use a dessicant, in the mason jar you say? That's what I'm worried about because I don't think Ice Drops bottles are 100% airtight, so I'm worried that having silica gel in the mason jar could possibly suck up the liquid from inside the vial. Here's a picture of an ice drops bottle...

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I don't believe my vials are COMPLETELY airtight because they are in Ice Drops bottles... which are made of plastic with plastic tops. Definitely water tight, but I think plastic is porous... So I was thinking putting them in a mason jar would solve the problem of airtight-ness. The vials are like a little more than half full each, with a full one being 3ml. Can it be done with these types of bottles or does it need to be glass?

I want to make it last as long as possible, would you recommend freezing it? What do you mean the vial could break? You mean with force? Or like pressure in the freezer could break it?

I don't know, I really want to make it last but I don't know if it's worth the risk of putting in the freezer. From your post, it sounds like there are risks.
Condensation is not great though if the vial is empty for the most part and you get droplets on the inside that increase the volume of the liquid. You then have more liquid, but it's weaker (just diluted).
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They are a little more than half full. So how likely is this to happen? Or would it only happen if I did something wrong?

Is it worth putting in the freezer, do you think? Or do the risks outweigh possible benefits? I mean how likely is it for my vial to break or for it to become diluted or condensated or for something else negative to happen, if I have it in an airtight mason jar and wait ~3 hours for it to thaw before opening? I would rather not do it if there's not a foolproof way for it to be done properly.

This sample is just too amazing for anything bad to happen to it, but I would really like to preserve it.
 
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Come-up time for LSD should not change based on how you store it. However, with a psychedelic, the perceived comeup time, can depend on not only physical factors (whether you held it in your mouth or swallowed it is a big one, though), but also on your mindset at the time (it'll be hitting you just as fast, but you might notice the effects earlier or later.

All that storing at low temperatures does is slow the degradation down (Do note that LSD doesn't degrade noticably even stored at room temperature either over a timescale of years, as long as it's protected from light, moisture, and air).
 
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