Experimentation with "hard" and more "dangerous" drugs. Ever a positive result?

[Sticky A Key]

Experimentation with "hard" and more "dangerous" drugs. Ever a positive result?

I couldn't tell you exactly when I made the decision, but I'm interested in experimenting with pretty much every drug there is including the harder ones, specifically meth, crack, heroin, and PCP. Essentially if it exists and has recreational qualities (excluding inhalants), I want to try it. But I'm wondering if this has ever really ended well for anyone? Is there any positive results in experimenting with such infamous substances or is it almost all heartbreak? I spose one could also include drugs such as LSD or Cocaine, both of which I've tried, but the former has a pretty wide spread consensus of being harmless, while the other seems to be much more widely experimented with than the others (I also could be biased as I didn't think it to be to huge a deal in my personal experiences.) But I'm curious in your responses, is it really possible to do them "all" and come out on the other end ok?

 

[aeorowar]

I don't really see any positives in trying any of the drugs you listed, besides the short term recreational high you will get.

Apart from that, every other aspect is negative and potentially dangerous.

 

[mymindisgoo]

yea, not that i don't wanna try smack, but some things are better left untouched. for instance: speed, heroin etc

 

[Captain.Heroin]

This is definitely not Other Drugs material, so I'm going to send it to Drug Culture.

 

[udoldhead]

I think the problem with trying some of these drugs is that you may find out that you are an addict. You can't unbreak the egg... do you know what I mean?

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

meth looks fun
the rest, dont look fun.
inhalants?
you KNOW the average age of an inhalant user is apparently 8th grade right?
oops sorry read too fast, EXCLUDING inhalants
good choice.

 

[macbrown21]

I think Coke and Meth (never done meth myself) could be left out. When I started using coke I'd just end up by myself at 7am tweaking out. Or with some really annoying girl I hate who'd never leave.

Took me about 5 years of use to figure out just to use it before I go out on the town. Then a little at the bar/club, then stop. Without drinking on it I will just keep doing it, maybe even for days. If I do some, go out, have drinks, do some, then drink til last call I can go home and go to sleep. With meth I don't think that would be possible.

There is no positive results from shooting heroin. You can see my post here somewhere when I tried shooting for the first time. I drew a tenth up equally in 2 syringes. Shot the first one and it was so fucking good. It scared me how good it was so I immediately ripped the needle off the second syringe so I couldn't shoot it lol. Told myself I wasn't gonna ever shoot it again. I ended up just snorting the rest that night.

But do you think I stopped shooting heroin? Absolutely not, now I shoot my oxy script sometimes too. Of course it doesn't help when I'm in opiate wd everyday and sometimes just have a teeny bit of heroin laying around. Or course I'm gonna shoot it, it would be a waste not too.

As for LSD I don't think its addictive at all. I tried it and had no desire to do it again. Wasn't a bad experience, just never craved it and it wasn't around. Never even seen PCP. But all the others you named its easy to get hooked forever.

 

[delta_9]

As long as you have pure(or as close as possible ie 97%+) compounds of known dosages and have a relatively safe way to use them(no used/dirty needles, etc), and ONLY use them once at near threshold doses(no more than 15%-20% more than threshold dose, and depending on the drug no more than 10% above), and so long as you're not on any other medications or drugs, I don't really see anything that bad happening.

But I think you need to define "pretty much every drug". A recreational "drug" is, broadly speaking, any compound with CNS activity. And there are probably thousands of such compounds. Many of which are just plain not worth it.

Apart from that, every other aspect is negative and potentially dangerous.

What could possibly happen if he took all the precautions listed above? If he has a pure drug of a known, low dose, is using it in a relatively safe way, and is on no other medications or drugs(to eliminate any possible bad interaction), what could happen physically? The only thing that comes to mind is a possible, albeit unlikely idiosyncratic reation to the drug.

 

[goatofthenever]

I had a very experimental mindset when I got heavily into opiates. I obviously did it because I like opiates, but also a large part was to see if I had the will power to go down that rabbit hole and come back out unharmed. I even purposely got myself physically addicted to methadone to get an idea of withdrawal before I started to shoot H.

What I found out was that I did have stronger willpower than most. I was the only one I knew who got off without rehab. But I wouldn't call this positive; all it did was tell me something I already knew, or at least suspected. Other than that it was a lot of wasted money, memories I don't want to think about, and a history of hard drug use I'm none too happy about.

 

[Carl Landrover]

What's a hard drug?

Is alcohol a hard drug? It's easy to puke on, get in trouble with, and you can overdose and die.

I've had fun experimenting with LSD. People consider that a hard drug.

 

[macbrown21]

Most fucked up I've ever been is on alcohol. Closest I've ever come to dying, alcohol. Time I made the biggest ass of myself, alcohol. Drug that does serious long term damage, alcohol. So yea, I'd say alcohol is a hard drug.

 

[skoat]

Yes & No. Trying to explain to your parents that Opana keeps me from IV heroin is a hard sell, but it pretty much saved my life.

 

[Sticky A Key]

I don't really see any positives in trying any of the drugs you listed, besides the short term recreational high you will get.

Apart from that, every other aspect is negative and potentially dangerous.

The positives would be essentially being able to experience all those highs, however short they may be. I think of it this way, a fun time with friends or a one night stand may not last, but it was still pleasant. Obviously there are much more dangers involved with drugs than those and the examples hardly are a bit extreme, but that's the main reason I made this thread. I also think it could make more knowledgeable and "worldly" in a way, if that makes sense.

 

[Sticky A Key]

I think the problem with trying some of these drugs is that you may find out that you are an addict. You can't unbreak the egg... do you know what I mean?

I do, but I think I don't have neither the personality and more importantly the environment in which to be able to do that (even if I wanted too). Although I'm sure there are many others who thought the same.

 

[Sticky A Key]

Most fucked up I've ever been is on alcohol. Closest I've ever come to dying, alcohol. Time I made the biggest ass of myself, alcohol. Drug that does serious long term damage, alcohol. So yea, I'd say alcohol is a hard drug.

I would agree with you on all of those as well, but I'm not really trying to define what a "hard" drug is. I'm mostly referring to the drugs I mentioned above and how a majority of society considers them to be "hard" due to their destructive and addictive (save PCP) qualities. It's very obvious that just about every drug user is going to use alcohol before any of those or even before any in general.

 

[Vader]

As long as you have pure(or as close as possible ie 97%+) compounds of known dosages and have a relatively safe way to use them(no used/dirty needles, etc), and ONLY use them once at near threshold doses(no more than 15%-20% more than threshold dose, and depending on the drug no more than 10% above), and so long as you're not on any other medications or drugs, I don't really see anything that bad happening.

Has anyone ever actually done that?

 

[Menschfeind]

I don't really understand this whole experimentation thing. For most people it's a somewhat steady progression of compromises. There's no point in just trying something to try it. It's like murdering someone just to try it. Most people who end up killing someone are backed into a desperate corner with no other practical way out.

The whole just seems insane.

 

[Project Will]

I don't really understand this whole experimentation thing. For most people it's a somewhat steady progression of compromises. There's no point in just trying something to try it. It's like murdering someone just to try it. Most people who end up killing someone are backed into a desperate corner with no other practical way out.

The whole just seems insane.

There is such a thing as responsible drug use. It is not the case that experimenting with drugs inevitably leads to addiction - in fact, the majority of people who have tried drugs do not become addicts. I have experimented with drugs for around 10 years now without compromising my integrity or damaging myself.

I experiment with different drugs because I enjoy it. Some (like hallucinogens) for self-exploration purposes and a change in perception, some (like speed) to study or be extra productive, and some (like opiates) for nothing more than the pleasurable effects.

Two drugs that I would like to try but will not out of fear are meth and heroin. It would be setting myself up for potential addiction.

 

[K-Dazed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_drugs

Personally, I am somewhat like you. I've said that if the opportunity arises, I would try Meth, Cocaine, Heroin and PCP. I however told myself I wouldn't try Crack, as it is very depressing seeing so many crackheads in my area, and I wouldn't want to turn out like that.

However, I have put restrictions on how I use said drugs, so that I can potentially avoid what happens to so many people; addiction. I said I'd never buy those drugs (save for maybe PCP, which is really "just another dissociative", and being the K fan I am, sounds like fun) and I also said I'd never shoot them (nothing against shooting, I've been close to IVing MDMA before, but the rush seems to pull people into addicting way quicker).

I feel if I follow those rules, to never buy and to never shoot, I can potentially save myself from financial lose and physical/mental trauma. Of course addiction doesn't discriminate, but I'd say if you make the precautions necessary, there is nothing stopping you from trying these drugs. Just make sure you stay on the ball, and know when enough is enough.

 

[Menschfeind]

There is such a thing as responsible drug use. It is not the case that experimenting with drugs inevitably leads to addiction - in fact, the majority of people who have tried drugs do not become addicts. I have experimented with drugs for around 10 years now without compromising my integrity or damaging myself.

I experiment with different drugs because I enjoy it. Some (like hallucinogens) for self-exploration purposes and a change in perception, some (like speed) to study or be extra productive, and some (like opiates) for nothing more than the pleasurable effects.

Two drugs that I would like to try but will not out of fear are meth and heroin. It would be setting myself up for potential addiction.

There are definitely some strong-willed and incorruptible people out there.

It just seems like a naive question to ask. Most people that have this elusive will to not become an addict are either never going to try drugs or try them and don't have so much as a second thought about doing them again. Most people fall into the latter category, I guess. Statistically anyway. In any case, good luck with your experimentation OP. Give ketamine a shot(pun intended). It's great.