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Liver/Kidney Detox. What would u reconmend?

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HIHI all.....


I've been on long benders the last 3weeks. And I can feel it has def dmg'd my kidney a bit.


The Main cause was last thursday when it was the first hot day in Adelaide for this summer and i was in teh pool out in the sun for ages and forgot to drink water. Come night time I came back home. COULDN"T PEE. Had salt cramps on my back muscles + kidney pains down the side of my back :( :(.


I used to get this kinda kidney pains 6+ months ago when I was a K-addict. It has since not been pain at all since i quit using k 12months ago.

But the hot day and my long benders over the last 3weeks has brought it back. :( :(


Any one can reconmend any detox otc/home remedy etc????


THANKS in advance :)
 
Not sure about detoxes or home remedies, I don't trust a lot of those... but be careful with your drug intake. Maybe take a break, eat well, then see how you feel. If things don't improve you might need to see a doctor, kidney damage/malfunction can lead to a few problems.

Make sure you stay hydrated over the summer if you are going to be indulging in a lot of things, even just alcohol. Not just water either, you want to replace electrolytes and not with gatorade or crap like that. If you can afford it, I usually drink Hydralyte. Contains the levels of electrolytes recommended by the World Health Organization for preventing/treating dehydration.
 
when i was a full on k addict 12months ago and the kidney pains started. I had all sorts of tests done to me. ct/xray/etc etc all showed my kidney functions Both were fine. Just a little calcium build up. and the doctors could not explain Why the pain/strain down the lower back/side.

Even done a full blood test. and my liver function was fine too for my age.

Yeah i know i need to space it out a bit more.

The first week of bender I blame it on JakesPerson as it was his 20th and we had a wicked time on Molly amongst other things. and the bender went on for 6days LOL.
 
^ Ha ha, sounds like a fun time. :)

Weird that they couldn't find anything... hopefully after a little break you'll be back to normal and able to hit it hard again. ;)
 
All (or at least almost all) of these sort of detoxes have absolutely no evidence to support them. They primarily work through placebo effect - if you think it'll help then it will tend to make you feel like it does help.

Most back pain is musculoskeletal, and most also has a psychological component. Not 100% sure what you mean by "salt cramps" and "kidney pains" though. Like Mr Blonde said, your best bet is just take it easy for a while, eat/live well, and make sure you get plenty of water :)
 
Fasting is the single best thing for the liver.....Also, purging can be really unhealthy as a habit, but the very occasional purging that occurs with peyote tea actually helps cleanse the body of bad bile.

Sulfur is necessary for detox. Foods with natural sulfer should be consumed.

Burdock, Yellowdock, Reddock.....all of them are cleansing for the liver and kidneys....any diuretic with lots of water is good for the kidneys.

Coffee is surprisingly cleansing and eliminating for the liver, though not great for the cardiovascular system all the time.

Wild fennel has been found to have regenerative properties that can heal liver tissue and sooth inflammation.
 
While I cant cite all my sources, the above does have evidence to back it up.....I cant prove it this second, but I have really done research.


While individual products have usually not been testing like drugs have, there is very often evidence that does indeed suggest that individual ingredients on their own may be beneficial.
 
send me a inbox of the sites if u can't post it dude.

and def NO for coffee.

everytime i drink coffee/or products that has coffeene, within 15min, i get kidney pain. oh yeah. for at least 1hr-2hr or so until it passes thru my system
 
Sorry Sentience but I pretty much disagree with everything you said, I'd like to see the evidence when you have time :)

For example, there's no such thing as "bad bile" - sounds a bit like Hippocratic medicine to me. Saying "any diuretic with lots of water is good for the kidneys" is dangerous and inaccurate advice. "Coffee is surprisingly cleansing and eliminating for the liver" doesn't really mean anything in scientific terms, what exactly is being eliminated? The liver?? Also, what's the vital role of sulphur?

I'm not saying that you're necessarily wrong or that alternative therapies don't work, I just want you to convince me ;)
 
'Bad bile' is not a legitimate medical term, but there are toxins like heavy metals that are carried in the bile and reabsorbed in the intestines. That is all I am saying. When your purge this bile you dont give certain toxins a chance to reabsorb.....if you do it too often however, the damage from your stomach acids do more harm than good. However, Peyote seems to neutralize the acid, which is cool....I cant really prove that last statement at this time.

"any diuretic with lots of water is good for the kidneys" is dangerous and inaccurate advice
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I can see your argument for that statement lacking precision, but liquid passing through the kidneys is the primary mechanism for eliminating toxins....this is a no brainier. It isnt alternative medicine, its common sense.

"Coffee is surprisingly cleansing and eliminating for the liver" doesn't really mean anything in scientific terms
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You are correct. Its not western medical terminology. It is not trying to be western medical terminology.

Also, what's the vital role of sulphur?
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Based on this quote, you have obviously never studied human Anatomy or Physiology.

I HAVE studied Anatomy and Physiology of humans. The role of sulfur is something you would know if you studied human biology.

I'm not saying that you're necessarily wrong or that alternative therapies don't work, I just want you to convince me
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Fair enough.
Proving everything i said would require good deal of time. I know I could do it, but proving it might take up several hours.
 
This is alternative 'jargon', but herbs that are 'eliminating' may cause you to lose nutrients as well as toxins, while herbs and foods that are 'tonifying' or 'building' are more for adding to your nutrition or endocrine system with precursors.

A really basic basic example would be drinking too much water....you will piss out your minerals and electrolytes, but also get rid of toxins.....you dont want to 'cleanse' all the time or you will suffer deficiency syndromes.


Also, something like Chorella can bind with heavy metals in the guts (if they were not grown around heavy metals), which will help trap metals like lead and mercury to be carried out through the feces instead of reabsorbed in the colon.
 
'Bad bile' is not a legitimate medical term, but there are toxins like heavy metals that are carried in the bile and reabsorbed in the intestines. That is all I am saying. When your purge this bile you dont give certain toxins a chance to reabsorb.....if you do it too often however, the damage from your stomach acids do more harm than good. However, Peyote seems to neutralize the acid, which is cool....I cant really prove that last statement at this time.
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What do you mean here by 'purge'? In a medical context I'm only familiar with it relating to vomiting. I'm guessing from what you've said that you're referring to some sort of global increase in intestinal motility?

I can see your argument for that statement lacking precision, but liquid passing through the kidneys is the primary mechanism for eliminating toxins....this is a no brainier. It isnt alternative medicine, its common sense.
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Haha clearly I know diuretics aren't part of alternative medicine, I was referring to your other points with that statement. Rather, I was alluding to the fact that they should be prescribed appropriately not used in DIY home detox programs without medical advice, and that the different classes of diuretics have different indications, efficacy and adverse effects so it would be unusual to just use any of them.

You are correct. Its not western medical terminology. It is not trying to be western medical terminology.
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[Edit: explained above, thanks - was expecting you to post once not twice, again. I still don't agree but I see what you mean now.]

Based on this quote, you have obviously never studied human Anatomy or Physiology.

I HAVE studied Anatomy and Physiology of humans. The role of sulfur is something you would know if you studied human biology.
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Resorting to an attack instead of answering the question definitely shows that you know more 8). I never said I know more than you, I said I disagree and would like you to give some evidence. If you really do know more than I who has obviously never studied human anatomy or physiology then how about you stop blowing your trumpet and demonstrate your knowledge.

To clarify, I was asking the role played by sulphur in detoxing not in general.

Fair enough.
Proving everything i said would require good deal of time. I know I could do it, but proving it might take up several hours.
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I'm sure you could... ;)


Let's keep this as a respectful discussion and not turn it into a fight.
 
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Sorry about that. I didnt realize until the end that you were making an effort to be polite, so I apologize.

Sulfur is essential for certain molecules, like glutathione, that are 'chelating' chemicals that bind toxins like heavy metals.....these chemicals work sort of like antioxidants, but they trap big stuff like mercury and lead rather than negating positive charges on free radicals....There are a number of amino acids and sulfur that are essential building blocks for numerous detoxifying and protective molecules in the body. They go through cycles, much like the citric acid cycle and other biological cycles, but it binds with large and highly toxic metals (for example) and renders them inert and transports them until they can leave the body. Sometimes elimination only gets as far as the intestines, and some of it is reabsorbed back into the blood stream in the colon.

The liver also has some really nasty shit stored in it, but its encapsulated in these sulfur/amino acid binders, so that it doesnt do damage to your internal organs. It also gets shuffled around and gets stored in your connective tissues and joints, away from the brain and heart......but the brain is unfortunately also a sponge for metals because it has an excellent filter to protect it.

Thinking about how to body works can boggle the mind.

Something like Milk Thistle for example has been proven to increase glutathione production, one of those sulfur and amino acid molecules that protects the body.

Something like Burdock is just astringent and diuretic mostly, and also has some nutrients. Also, its been shown to increase secretion from sebaceous glands. This in theory might help with complexion, but its not necessarily that cut and dry.

I have a degree in health sciences and also studied herbalism....one of my herbal teachers told me, much like you just did, to avoid blanket statements like "This herb is good for the liver"....it lacks precision, because what is good for one persons liver under one set of circumstances could be harmful to somebody else....so you were absolutely correct when you said that.
 
^ Thanks, good response. Dw I know it's easy to interpret disagreements as being more aggressive than intended over the internet. I just want anyone who reads this to see a few views in some detail :) I'm of the opinion that diet, exercise and drug abstinence would be more beneficial than any supplements.

Also, it's a bit old but this article may be of interest to some. There's probably newer and more detailed ones out there, I just remember someone sending me this one some time ago.

That's cool that you studied health sciences and herbalism, getting some different perspectives. It's an issue with a lot of courses (mine included) that they essentially only provide a Western scientific approach.
 
Lots of reverse osmosis or high quality low mineral water, and a low protein fast, should be good for the kidneys....not for too long of course, because your body needs protein.

Kidneys are more delicate than liver, unfortunately. You can cut out half or 3 quarters of your liver and it will grow back. The kidneys are a lot more prone to damage.

High blood pressure is also hard on the kidneys.

The only thing you can modify with herbs is how much fluid they let through, and how finely it filters that blood/fluid.

I would stop drinking coffee if it increases your blood pressure and definitely stop alcohol. Alcohol is poison to every cell in your body. Marijuana is comparably non toxic.

A raw juice fast, high in antioxidants and fluids with little protein, or with some free amino acids but no larger proteins like animal proteins....thats the only thing I can recommend.

Milk Thistle might increase Gluthathione, which also protects the kidneys to some extent, but it can interfere with the metabolism of some medications, so use caution.
 
While I cant cite all my sources, the above does have evidence to back it up.....I cant prove it this second, but I have really done research.
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If you can take the time to write the lengthy posts above, then you should be able to find the time to dig up the references you refer to.

I'll try to go over this thread in detail when I've more time.
 
Dude no DIY bloody kidney detox is going to magically fix your damaged organs man, although it may help i guess. Like others have said best thing you can do is to stop putting your body under so much stress(which i assume you already have) and just take it easy for a very long time.

You're young as you shouldn't be feeling as bad as you do, way too much drug abuse, but you don't need to be told the obvious. But sadly only time can heal what you've done to yourself. Have a huge break man.

PS: This reply was not ment to be a "you fucked up bigtime" while i'm riding on my high horse... Just stating the truth mate, good luck. Us Aussie BL Druggies must unite!
 
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