Opioids Ultimate Poppy Pod/Seed Tea Mega Merged Thread III

[FattyAcid]

this is the problem with megathreads, theyre skimmed over....can't really see a better solution, but still, asking a question without any answers, even views, sucks

 

[DexterMeth]

so, what process are people using to get effects from the current batches of smalls being sold by weight

seems like they're much diminished potency would make eating the grounds quite the daunting experience in order to eat enough, for a seasoned user, to get a high....how are people ingesting the weak pods of late to the best efficiency?

Small pods aren't weak, sounds like you got weak small pods. At least it's almost the new season though.

poppy seeds.

 

[amapola]

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Opium poppy pods are a schedule 2 substance in the United States.
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United States
Controlled Substances Act

(19) The term "opium poppy" means the plant of the species
Papaver somniferum L., except the seed thereof.

Schedule 2
(3) Opium poppy and poppy straw.

 

[wrxya33]

so i normally do 30mg of oc to get high. I ordered med/large poppy pods. WHats a good starting point for a first timer?

 

[NoGabbaGabba]

What's your favorite/best Poppy Pod Tea Tek?

I was just wondering what different kinds of extraction methods people are using. Whats the extraction method you've performed that gave you the best results? This is just for discussion purposes. I've heard a lot of people talk about different ways of extracting, so I am just curious what other people have been able to come up. Please include method details as needed.

 

[Pegasus]

I'm going to merge this into the big poppy thread we have where all of this information is kept...

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[artaxerxes]

so i normally do 30mg of oc to get high. I ordered med/large poppy pods. WHats a good starting point for a first timer?

At this point in time, it's almost impossible to recommend a dose. It was hard enough when the pods we were all accustomed to were strong-walled AZ or WA's that hadn't been hit by the poor harvest, but in this season of grief, it's difficult to recommend anything with any sort of certitude.

Unless you're from the UK and getting different flowers than the crafters in the states, I would say that, judging from what is available at this time (at least 25% of popular pods sold are coming from one vendor whether they're being re-sold or not), 5 M/L's will be a good starting dose.

I'm also taking into consideration that pod sizes are totally skewed this year: what were sold Larges are being sold as Mediums, and what were sold as Mediums are being sold as Smalls. What are being sold as Smalls I have never before seen in my life except when someone grew and those were just the tiny side-flowers on a stem. For the pot only. Not worth lancing.

Nevertheless, I would recommend doing what any sensible crafter does on receiving a shipment from a new vendor: take a test dose of 2 pods. See what happens. Do not top up if you don't feel anything. Dose again the next day and adjust as you see fit.

If you do manage to get high off what you've bought what with the crap that's being sold this year, keep in mind that even with a 30mg OC tolerance, you may just feel a bit ill. When I first tried pods, having done many different types of opiates/oids (pharm and H and O), I got pretty ill: sweating, nausea, shaking, headache. Pods contain many different alkaloids that are not present in commonly available opiates/oids and it takes the body a bit of time to adjust to the new alkaloids. (And de-adjust when one detoxes.)

This may not happen to you. When I first started with pods they were quite powerful. But if it does happen to you, it will be nice to know that its a normal reaction. Cos it's not a pleasant reaction.

 

[optout]

dea big pharma poppy pods theory

I follow this subculture because I new someone close to me who got help detoxing/replacement therapy with those pods.

Sorry this does not go here, but I am new and saw that the correct place to put the thread was closed. The drug laws dont make any sense, i think the dea works for big pharma. Dried pods have been around for a long time and they new then. So I think these isolated deaths, this movie, is just a means to generate the propaganda to eradicate completly this plant in this country. We cant import the pods, but phrama can. While stories of our people protecting the poppy fields in afgananstan exist, (eg Pat Tillman) Ask yourself why they never took the most notorious plant off the market? Big Pharna has to use them to make their painpills. So we can look at them, by that logic I can buy weed plants if I just want to look at it. Rediculous. Also why not legalize weed, right now if your in pain they'll give you opiates, morphine, fentanly, which is practically herion far more dangerous then pot. Nothing is what it seems anymore. Until you follow the money.

If people are in withdrawl you will go to the doctors if you are lucky enough to talk to those quaks. And pharma pushes more suboxone more meth, more valium, etc down your throat... The money is there.

Instead of buying drugs illegally, or I've heard of people breaking their own bones to get some crappy pharma opie. No doc, No pharm, No money for them with the dried tea i read about. So if they push this policy now its really too late, since people will do things that could be way more detrimental. This is why I think the DEA at times seems to be a puppet organization for Big Pharma. Sorry for the rant I needed to see if people agree with this crap thats happening right now.


"Keep it on the road"

 

[caseface99]

Its more like the DEA gets funding from the government, and the government gets funding from big pharma lobbyists. This is old news, anyone who doesn't realize how profitable the drug war is on all fronts is either misinformed or naive.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^this.

If you think the CEO's from the top 5 Big Pharma companies and Michele Leonhart get together in some lair to plot how to kill a few people and put out a movie to eradicate poppy pods, I think you're sorely mistaken.

Its fucking MORPHINE, of course if it reaches a critical mass of popularity, some idiots are going to OD and the same shit happens with every legal/quasi-legal/de facto-legal drug....

1.) its underground for years
2.) it gains popularity
3.) you start getting copious youtube videos, websites, forum discussion on it, etc.
4.) it hits the news
5.) suburban parents think 'X' drug is going to rape their daughters and murders their sons so they throw shit fits
6.) do-nothing politicians bloviate about protecting the youth and ban that shit

The only thing in all this that surprises me is how long high-quality pods were so cheaply and widely available. In this case the DEA FUCKED UP royally not interceding before it got to the levels it did.

 

[optout]

I agree with you guys. It wasn't me who once said this but someone said something like it is more profitable to have this so called "enforcement" to eradicate drugs, then not.

But were talking about is something where you can legally buy pods for decorative purposes. I dont get it, thats like saying that we can have weed plants as long as we use them for the purpose of crafts.

What do you guys think about what I was saying where people that have chronic pain from a terminal illness getting pain meds? Of course opies would be much better to treat pain. But pot is far less dangerous then opies. Pot is not addictive at all.

Cane2left "if you think the CEO's from the top 5 Big Pharma companies and Michele Leonhart get together in some lair to plot how to kill a few people and put out a movie to eradicate poppy pods, I think you're sorely mistaken. "

No, thats not what im saying at all. what im asking is why dried pods where ever made legal? They have and still are legal to buy for years, the govt knew this. They knew you can extract morphine, codeine, theibeine, from a dried head in a primitive way. The negative media attention is one thing. But pods have been in the media especially the internet for years, yet no serious crackdown.

Its not some movie that will kill people, its the attention, its the enforcement, its people that have no insurace. These people will have to resort to much more dangerous methods to try and help themselves get better. Wouldn't this cause more deaths then this tea. Many people know that the tea can be great if used every now and then.

I think that given all the users of pod tea, if you start small and stay small then your fine. I always read people say start small and work yourself up. This will cause the problem of tolerance, which sucks. If used once twice a month, your not going to die. When you mix tea and benzos sure your more likely to die.

If they eradicate the pods that grow in the USA, noone except the pharma companies would be able to get their pods from other countries like Tasmania or Turkey to make their painpills. But a sole person would not be able to do this. The furtune ones that can get medical help from this will undoubtable increase revenues.

Thank you for your thoughts.

"Keep it on the Road"

 

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cane2left

ok, I see what you said on your last line, true.

peace

 

[optout]

In recent "news"

not that I follow this crap, but look at Salvia, never did this seems lame. Look at how miley cyrus or whatever her real name used it to promote this image of a cliche "musician". I am using the term musician here extremly lightly. Such a "bad girl", pathetic, but there will be no real crackdown on this herb. The DEA already have their hands full to go after some lame herb.

 

[caseface99]

In recent "news"

not that I follow this crap, but look at Salvia, never did this seems lame. Look at how miley cyrus or whatever her real name used it to promote this image of a cliche "musician". I am using the term musician here extremly lightly. Such a "bad girl", pathetic, but there will be no real crackdown on this herb. The DEA already have their hands full to go after some lame herb.

Legislation HAS been introduced to make salvia illegal federally. Its only a matter of time before this legislation passes. And no, the DEA DOESN'T have anything better to be doing, clearly, if they did than they wouldn't be arresting small time pot dealers, and ENSURING that no scientists can get pot for research. The DEA spends time and money backing the Nation Institute of Drug Abuse and their monopoly on research pot. Read this quote from an email i received from MAPS asking me to help with a letter writing campaign:

At present the only source of marijuana available to researchers for FDA approved protocols comes from the National Institute on Drug Abuse, a monopoly which is defended by the DEA. This monopoly, which is the only one that exists for a Schedule 1 controlled substance, has created a system in which researchers must wade through obstructive government bureaucracy to obtain NIDA’s supply even after scientific protocols have obtained FDA approval. Even if researchers are finally able to obtain their research materials from NIDA, they have to contend with low quality marijuana that is known to have seeds and stems as well as an especially harsh smoke. For the sake of breaking the government monopoly over the marijuana supply and to facilitating future studies, we have been fighting on behalf of Dr. Lyle Craker of UMASS Amherst’s Medicinal Plant Program, under contract to MAPS, to obtain a second DEA license to cultivate marijuana.

On February 12, 2007 DEA Administrative Law Judge Mary Ellen Bittner recommended that it would be in the public interest for the DEA to license Professor Lyle Craker to grow marijuana for FDA approved privately-funded research. Six days before President Obama was inaugurated, Ms. Leonhart in her role as acting DEA Administrator, rejected Administrative Law Judge Bittner’s recommendation. We need to put pressure on Acting Administrator Michelle Leonhart during her still to be scheduled Senate confirmation hearing as DEA Administrator to reverse her position and accept Administrative Law Judge Bittner’s recommendation. If we can make people aware of this issue, we can break the federal monopoly over the marijuana supply for FDA research.

Its total bs. You say the DEA has better things to be doing than fucking around with harmless herbs? No, they don't. They enjoy abusing the law and abusing the basic rights of humans and Americans.

 

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caseface99

interesting letter indeed.
"they have to contend with low quality marijuana that is known to have seeds and stems as well as an especially harsh smoke. "

Which would probably have low THC content making it harder for these scientists to actually do a legit controlled experiment and or trials. That swag produces pain, with the headache and all, so im told.

What I mean is given all the illegal drugs they try and control adding one more is difficult. Then again Salvia is not popular, and I dont ever see street dealer selling it. Making it illegal could bring more people to its intented use in some sense.

Also, The DEA has their hands filled trying to control the meth issue. Given that meth can be made in labs, and I use the term 'lab' loosely, its easier to get in on the streets. No trafficing across borders and such.


But I think we are on the same page, that the DEA and the reason for having such a thing and their actions seem paradoxial to its intent in stopping the drug trade. You will never be able to stop such a thing anyway.

Also, I don't understand why in California has passed medical pot. And the state level its 'legal', but doesn't federal law trump state law? Why would the DEA not do anything, can they?

I am not familiar with Professor Lyle Craker research and what they would like to do with it. I'll check into it.

May I ask what you do for a living?

Thanks for your perspective and thoughts, am enjoying this discussion, hope you are too.

 

[Pegasus]

Let us stick to pod discussion, please. Miley Cyrus and the salvia situation are better suited to Drugs in the Media or salvia threads. If you guys want to make a salvia thread here, that's fine, though I may end up sending it to Psychedelics Discussion as it probably fits better there. The Miley Cyrus discussion should go in Drugs in the Media, though... I'm sure there is a decent size thread on it already.

 

[Pegasus]

...On topic, is the pod industry still alive at all in the USA? I mean there are still obviously sites up, but the best I can tell, most people are frustrated with it and have given up. Is there anyone out there that is still using these lower quality pods that have become the norm? They still give effects though with much less morphine effect, and I'm wondering if pod users/ addicts are still going on these pods with less morphine that are so common now?

 

[Cane2theLeft]

No, thats not what im saying at all. what im asking is why dried pods where ever made legal? They have and still are legal to buy for years, the govt knew this. They knew you can extract morphine, codeine, theibeine, from a dried head in a primitive way. The negative media attention is one thing. But pods have been in the media especially the internet for years, yet no serious crackdown.

Pods were never "made legal". Pods have always been illegal (schedule II) since at least the initial CSA legislation, if not earlier (I don't know the wording of the Harrison Narcotic Act of 1914 verbatim ). If you don't believe me check the original classification of codeine, morphine and poppy straw in the Controlled Substances Act of 1970.

Up until recently, the only people buying pods were little old ladies making decorative pieces so it wasn't worth the expenditure of time or resources to enforce this. Once the word spread that you could use them for more and a whole industry popped up around them, this drew the ire of law enforcement and now you can see the crackdown.

As I explained above, the reaction was slower than I expected but this was extremely predictable and the whole site has been anticipating it for years. Most pod users seeing the period in which they could buy cheap, readily available opiates and have them delivered to their door as an anomaly, not an expectation.

There's no conspiracy here. This is just how American society functions and more-or-less always has.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

...On topic, is the pod industry still alive at all in the USA? I mean there are still obviously sites up, but the best I can tell, most people are frustrated with it and have given up. Is there anyone out there that is still using these lower quality pods that have become the norm? They still give effects though with much less morphine effect, and I'm wondering if pod users/ addicts are still going on these pods with less morphine that are so common now?

Good questions, I've wondered these things myself a lot recently.

 

[optout]

Let us stick to pod discussion, please. Miley Cyrus and the salvia situation are better suited to Drugs in the Media or salvia threads. If you guys want to make a salvia thread here, that's fine, though I may end up sending it to Psychedelics Discussion as it probably fits better there. The Miley Cyrus discussion should go in Drugs in the Media, though... I'm sure there is a decent size thread on it already.

ok, just trying to go into a previous point i was trying to make. sorry