Anyone have experience getting clean and then using occasionally?

[PhrostByte]

I'm curious.. I kicked a bad IV habit but I've used maybe 3-4 (dope) and suboxone 3 times in the past 2 months...

how did you feel? physically? mentally? all relevant replies are welcome.

 

[blahman8000]

I spent a good 6-8 months doing using opiates/opioids pretty much daily, and after stopping I recently popped a few vikes and didn't even like it. The reminder of the feeling didn't make me crave more and call my dealers up or anything. I get phone calls and texts from people saying they've got pills and I just don't waste my money. But I wouldn't say it was a bad addiction in the first place or anything. I was up to about 60mg of Oxy every day or two.

With alcohol, I often try to convince myself that I'm capable of moderating, but that's always just been an excuse to go back to drinking, and it never works out. I always go back to daily abuse.

 

[Legerity]

I'm not sure if you are only interested in opiates...but I stopped using speed years ago and in the last few months I have used it on two separate occasions. I don't have a "rule" against using it but there don't seem to be many times where it's worth dealing with the anxiety, comedown, and recovery period.

After using it the first time it took me FOREVER to recover, I didn't realize how hard it had been on my body in the past. Took a good 5 days to feel back to normal, it was an extremely busy week with work and job training for a new job...and it was just a nightmare getting through it after having stayed awake the previous weekend.

 

[Cerebral]

I spent a good 6-8 months doing using opiates/opioids pretty much daily, and after stopping I recently popped a few vikes and didn't even like it. The reminder of the feeling didn't make me crave more and call my dealers up or anything. I get phone calls and texts from people saying they've got pills and I just don't waste my money. But I wouldn't say it was a bad addiction in the first place or anything. I was up to about 60mg of Oxy every day or two.

With alcohol, I often try to convince myself that I'm capable of moderating, but that's always just been an excuse to go back to drinking, and it never works out. I always go back to daily abuse.

i'm in almost the same place as you.. except i just got some roxies and i've got that good good going on again and i don't know where this is headed

 

[hurtin4certain]

I spent a good 6-8 months doing using opiates/opioids pretty much daily, and after stopping I recently popped a few vikes and didn't even like it. The reminder of the feeling didn't make me crave more and call my dealers up or anything. I get phone calls and texts from people saying they've got pills and I just don't waste my money. But I wouldn't say it was a bad addiction in the first place or anything. I was up to about 60mg of Oxy every day or two.

With alcohol, I often try to convince myself that I'm capable of moderating, but that's always just been an excuse to go back to drinking, and it never works out. I always go back to daily abuse.

How long had you stopped opiates??? Before I started taking them (ha,,,vikes)regularly ironiclly I didnt really like them..........after having sugery and getting a few bottles that all changed drasticlly. Hopefully, your situation would be the same for me......at least in gonna tell myself that.

 

[unsettled]

I've basically been a good boy lately, but being a good boy gets boring...

I've been using opiates daily for a few years but got on suboxone a few months back, I basically have been just taking my prescribed meds as prescribed. Occasionally I'll go overboard on some Dexedrine, and I've bought and smoked Heroin three different times since being on subs daily.

The Dexedrine didn't bother me, the Heroin was kind of a let down and made me feel kinda depressed, each time I was happy to get back on the subs. It's not the Heroin itself, it's the people I have to deal with to get it and that whole other culture that revolves around it that can suck you in so quick. I really don't want to get sucked back in to that, I think that is the most depressing part, I enjoy smoking Heroin, it's just what I have to do to get it that makes me want to stick with the subs. I've also got my sex drive back and I like the idea of dating again, it's hard to date when you're always chasing down a fix.

Quit Alcohol and Weed without even looking back, don't enjoy those drugs at all anymore but I used to use them both daily for years.

I don't know that I'd be considered completely clean since I do take prescribed meds for anxiety, ADD and opiate dependence.

 

[Sentience]

I wouldnt recommend dabbling.

If you are feeling an itch, why not smoke some weed or try a drug that isnt so chemically addictive? Smoke some weed and do some molly? A hit of acid?

These things are better for your long term health.

 

[Khadijah]

Not only do i have experience with it, i have SUCCESS with it...

And sentience, no offense but medically, other than your pet hate methadone (jk) (since i know you will argue that it is) opiates aint toxic. the long term health effects are from users neglecting their health, not using clean sets, cuts in the drugs, etc. Using a bag of dope or a oxy aint no more damaging to your body than takin some acid or smokin some bud.

Anyways....i aint got time to answer this question now but I will tell you that I been usin opiates since I was 14 yrs old and Im almost 24 now. I first tried dope when i was 16 and ended up shootin dope for years. It aint about dicksizin like "my habit was THIS big and THIS bad" but just so u understand that it was HARD to break becuz i had been doin that shit for most of my teenage and adult life and spent more of my time as an "adult" shooting dope than ever sober.

i say that shit cuz IMO, when somebody has a 6 month long affair with sniffin a few bags of dope a day then they get clean and then they say oh, i can use again without a problem occasionally, people be like "yea, well you never had a "real" addiction to begin with, a 'hardcore junkie' wouldnt be able to do that", etc. So im just sayin, by all definitions i was "a hardcore junkie" as stupid as it sounds to use that description. But i did get that shit over with and had no problem usin successfully, occasionally like once every few months....Ill expain more later tho, i gotta get my ass to the dr now. just wanted to cast one more vote for 'yes'

 

[Lord]

I vote for no. Not worth the risk, and really, not worth it even if you can control yourself.

 

[PhrostByte]

I'm not sure if you are only interested in opiates...but I stopped using speed years ago and in the last few months I have used it on two separate occasions. I don't have a "rule" against using it but there don't seem to be many times where it's worth dealing with the anxiety, comedown, and recovery period.

After using it the first time it took me FOREVER to recover, I didn't realize how hard it had been on my body in the past. Took a good 5 days to feel back to normal, it was an extremely busy week with work and job training for a new job...and it was just a nightmare getting through it after having stayed awake the previous weekend.

No I only like opiates (really only heroin, never tried fent)... one thing I've noticed is that each time I use I spend the next few days in a mini-withdrawal phase.. I'll have a runny nose and a lot of trouble sleeping... WHY THE FUCK DOES THAT HAPPEN AFTER 1 USE?!?!

So annoying... makes me feel it's not even worth it.. but I really love dope. :[

 

[Boulder257]

I vote for no. Not worth the risk, and really, not worth it even if you can control yourself.

have to agree with this. You probably got "clean" for a reason. Your desire to use again probably includes you diminishing in your mind why you got clean.

 

[KamMoye]

I don't have a "rule" against using it but there don't seem to be many times where it's worth dealing with the anxiety, comedown, and recovery period.

agreed 100%. i would love to do some meth right now (dealer is right next door, wouldn't take more than an hour to be high as a kite and play poker for the next 12 hours) but the worst part?

how long it takes your sleep to recover imo. i still need 9-10 hrs of sleep, and considering how busy i am when i'm sober i could seriously put that 1-2 hours to great productivity.

i think the only way i could use meth responsibly is 1. orally, 2. beginning of the day with hopes of getting to bed at a normal time, 3. supplements (dunno which ones or i'd prob be on it now; 5htp and magnesium to start?) to supplement recovery, 4. eating healthier and more than usual while on it (possibly the hardest part).

like you said, not worth it just for a change of pace. my rational mind knows this but my emotional side sees no end of nagging in sight.

 

[TJ5]

Yeah, but I had to have specific detailed rules that I had to follow to the letter or else I'd be back out on a run again. Each time I used, even on designated "vacation" week, there was the strong urge to not stop when I was supposed to. For 2 years I was on a 90-120 days clean, then 7 days off work/driving/all responsibilities with a teenager of IV meth to slam, 6 days slamming, one day recouperation, (2 is better) then back to work & off dope for 90-120 days until next scheduled vacation. First shot was heaven after those clean breaks. By the 6th day I was amased at how fast tolerance caught back up with me & the fun always seemed to fly by much too fast. I learned the hard way I couldn't have dope in the house if I wanted to stay clean. Also, no hanging out where people get loaded & no people allowed at my place getting loaded, other than scheduled vacation, no exceptions.

 

[Sentience]

Yeah, opiates are non toxic. Molly is more neurtoxic. Acid maybe even less toxic. As a long term habit, opiates are nearly as benign as weed.

On the other hand, they are expensive and highly addictive. If you dont want the monkey on your back, and i wont judge you if you do, but if you want to avoid addiction I would recommend dabbling in less addictive substances.

Methadone isnt bad for everyone. Its good for many, but it wasnt good for me. Most evidence seems to suggest that Methadone and Fent are both more toxic as far as opiates go, but benign as far as many drugs go....most evidence I have seen anyway.

However, Lacey, are you off the opiates? If you have not dabbled in them and then remained clean, how successful were you really? You are only 24, so it looks like we are only talking about short term success staying off opiates at best.


Yeah, I agree, opiates can safely be taken every single day of your life. That does not automatically mean he wants to be addicted again though. There are other reasons not to be addicted, like cost and stigma and energy levels. You might have legitimate reasons for needing opiates, as do I, but I question your claim that you successfully dabled without getting hooked again....I mean, here you are, a young man on a high dose of opiates still. Thats fine, but I think he is asking how easy it is to try them and NOT get back on them, and I dont know that you are a success story if that is his goal.

 

[PhrostByte]

Anyone else?

 

[unsettled]

I think overall it's not worth it, even on subs it's a huge disruption in your daily routine to use heroin even one night, you have to not take subs for a couple days just to be able to get high and then even when I get back on the subs about 12 hours after my last hit of H I still feel off for a few days. Not worth it. The other downside is it gets you thinking about H again, for me sometimes it's just the taste and smell that make me want to repeat the experience. It's playing with fire, not worth it if you're trying to stay clean.

 

[epiks]

In my early stages of IV Heroin use I used for three months, stopped for a month. Used for six months, quit for a month, used a year, quit for 3 months. Then back on the wagon..

It seems waiting 3 months wasn't long of enough break for me. Everyone else is different but I would LOVE to even be a weekend warrior! Or shoot up every few months even. But for most thats simply impossible. Myself included.

But I cant until I have better control over it or something drastic happens that forces me to not use daily. Because like I said, I did 3 terms of sobriety. My longest being 3 months which I'm actually pretty proud of. I used to be able to take a month break like it was nothing. I did it twice then moved up to a 3 month break.

But now it seems I can't even take a 1 day break Its got too tight of a grip on me and I even took 16mg of bupe the second I started to feel "on edge" (right before WD kick in) I used to only take 2mg but thats when I shot max 1.5g / day now its up to 7g so I donno how many subo's im gonna need..apparently a lot!

 

[love2party]

^7 grams a day, damn that is a lot! I know the tar in seattle is generally low quality. That is a alot of junk to being putting in your circulatory system, think of your health man. I would advise on getting yourself some micron filters.

I'm having some success with using occasionaly but I'm not going to declare victory because this will probably be a life long battle. I feel like something clicked in my brain and now evertime I do them I just seem to nod out but the euphoria is missing, it feels like the first couple of times I tried opiates and I did not find them pleasurable. At first, I didn't see what all the fuss was about with opiates and I'm starting to feel the same way again.

 

[anarchogen]

^7 grams a day, damn that is a lot! I know the tar in seattle is generally low quality. That is a alot of junk to being putting in your circulatory system, think of your health man. I would advise on getting yourself some micron filters.

yeah it really is shitty tar...

 

[.Lucid.]

ive talked about this in other threads..

i was clean off dope for almost three years but back in october i relapsed. so for the last few months i had been in a cycle of using pretty much on a weekly basis.. this gave me enough recovery time between uses to avoid falling back into physical dependence but it definitely still takes a big toll on my emotional and psychological health. i really dont like chipping.. it keeps me stuck and if im going to be doing heroin i feel like i should just go all in. its more of an all or nothing type drug for me. the times i do use now i always regret it after, its never worth it.

anyway, as of right now its been over two weeks since i used, last time was the day before thanksgiving. im trying to cut that shit out and get back on track but the last few days its really been on my mind. so we'll see how it goes i guess.