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Cocaine Questions on Speedballs and Goofballs. Am I ok?

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Inlakesh

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How long after shooting a speedball (heroin and cocaine) will one know if they are in danger of dying? If I'm still ok after say a few minutes, but still really high, am I set for the duration, or can something happen later?

Breathing is difficult in some sort of weird way which makes me nervous. And my eyes are all messed up, hard to see strait or control the eyes or focus. What are the serious danger signs to be concerned about? What sort of supportive measures can be taken if it feels uncomfortable?
 
the sketchy thing with speedballs is that you can overdose on heroin and not know it until the cocaine wears off.. so if you did overdose on heroin the coke would be the only thing keeping you alive, once it wears off, the heroin is still active in your system and you run the risk of dying.
 
I'm an experimenter and like to try everything and have never tried a speedball. I've got a good tolerance to H. But I never do cocaine. Did 200mg of tar and 20mg coke. Of course one can't tell how much actual coke is there, but it's obviously really potent cause it's kicking my ass. Freaking can't focus my eyes and is making me hella anxiety.
 
Yeah the OD on heroin isn't a concern cause I'm very H tolerant right now. It's the effects of the coke that bother me. Something feels really weird, my brain is all tweaked out. How dangerous is the effect of adrenaline from anxiety combined with the H and coke?
 
My eyes won't focus and it's hard to see strait. Brain feels like it wants to black out or something. How long till the effect stabilizes?
 
Yeah sucky I learned my lesson. I have IVed coke quite a bit back in the day so I was familiar with that by itself. And very familiar with IV opiates. And very familiar with mixing heroin and meth in the same shot (goofballs by my understanding). From what I have done before that was a pretty tiny fleck of coke, which was my intention of starting with a really tiny dose. But man it kicks some serious ass.
 
Yeah I feel stabilized now but still under the influence. Couldn't have been about 10 minutes since I did the shot. I was eating an effective quantity of chocolate 85%, which definitely produces psychotropic effects, I forgot about that.
 
just chill man, i think youll be alright if you did less H than you usually do.. id just hang in there. but if it gets worse and breathing gets harder i would go to the emergancy room.
 
Sorry for the string of tiny posts one after the other, I was just in a panic. The coke produced a powerful fierce anxiety.
What a totally miserable experience. I think coke must be affecting me in a different way than those people who enjoy speedballs cause that did not feel good at all.

I've been meaning to post a battery of questions that have been occurring to me about speedballs and goofballs. I've searched many forums and Google and can't find much of any information about speedballs or goofballs besides tiny bits of the typical anecdotal blurbs that are repeated everywhere. If someone knows where to find some comprehensive info pages on speedballs and/or goofballs I'd appreciate a post of some links.

If an OD of H were to do the killing in a speedball and it were to be after the coke wears off, I would think it should be a relatively slow death, gradual over-sedation until one stops breathing etc. One should notice such a thing occurring I would think.
Or can an opiate OD produce an instant unconsciousness?

Does coke and heroin produce unique adverse/harmful and positive/enjoyable effects that only occur when they are working in synergy? Or are their effects the same as when taken by itself only enhanced due to being taken together?

What is the most usual way a person dies from a speedball?

Which of the two, coke or heroin, is the more often to be the substance to produce the effect that causes the death? (Though I know they ultimately synergize each other and ultimately it would be caused by both. The specific effect of one or the other should be the direct cause I would think?)

How common is it a sudden/instant death?

If it is a sudden/instant death by what means does the death occur? By sudden stopping of the heart? By brain hemorrhage?

What are all the physiological methods by which coke kills in a speedball?
Same question as above for heroin.

Is there a danger of death due to the speedball after say 1 hour or as much as say 2-6 hours after it is taken?
 
Some really strange and powerful, unusual effects occurred under the influence of the speedball that I've never experienced from anything else. Even the events that are relatively common, like a fast hard heartbeat, were of a very different nature than at any other time.

It felt like some wires in my brain got crossed and the signals were going to the wrong places and were overly powerful. This weird effect on the brain was the most pronounced effect besides the crazy heartbeat. It felt like the brain was accelerating out of control and was going to snap or pop or burn out.
My brain felt like it wanted to just instantly shut off, like flip the light switch off.
I felt really super tired but also overly awake at the same time.
I felt like I had to make myself breath otherwise if I let breathing occur naturally it wouldn't do it and I wouldn't breath.
Breathing felt difficult and strained.
The eyes felt like they were sort of having seizures. Wouldn't stay looking strait ahead and would keep going out of focus.
Of course the heart was beating really heavy and fast.

Everything felt really really wrong and messed up. I don't think any other drug or combo has had such a devastating effect, and I've tested and used many different drugs over many long years.
 
The yak was prolly cut with amps... I bet that's what's making ya all sketchy n shit.

I've been bootin speedballs a longtime dude... I fucking love 'em.
 
The questions I'm really curious about are how methamphetamine and cocaine relate. I've read many technical papers on both drugs but haven't cleared up some questions.
My understanding is that they affect the same dopamine center of the brain but in a slightly different way. But their subjective effect, while similar, is exceptionally different.

Meth for me is very entheogenic and positive. I experience many of the positive effects I get from other entheogen/psychedelics (meth is after all a phenethylamine). Only meth produces almost no direct hallucination effect as opposed to say mescaline. Meth especially and potently targets a dopamine center in the frontal cortex more than any other entheogen I'm aware of.

(In my experience): Cocaine is very flat in comparison. It completely lacks any entheogenic/psychedelic effect at all. It produces significantly more anxiety and increased heart rate. It lacks a certain enjoyable euphoric effect that meth has. It produces certain very powerful and as far as I know, unique and very unusual effects on the brain. Effects that I've seen in some people make them go totally insane, behave in outrageous ways with a total and massive personality shift, but only for the brief time they are directly under the influence (granted meth has a psychosis, but that is after days of sleep deprivation or many months/years of chronic excess abuse and is markedly different than the psychosis of cocaine. I'm basing that proposition on the cases of meth and cocaine psychosis I've directly and intimately witnessed).
And of course the molecular structure of cocaine is very different from phenethylamines.

It would be nice to read some technical papers on how meth is able to do the things coke doesn't and coke does the things meth doesn't.
Also if anyone has interesting stories or personal experience information about these differences, especially on meths entheogenic side that coke lacks.

Some of the big questions that I've been wondering about:

How is it that meth is so much safer than coke in terms of overdose and seriously dangerous adverse effects? My understanding is that it is rare or difficult to overdose to the point of death on meth, but for coke it is much easier and has happened quite a lot more.

The speedball is infamous for being extremely dangerous and so many people have died from it.
But I've heard very little about the goofball (meth and heroin).
Are there many reported cases of death from goofballs? Is the goofball as dangerous as the speedball?
(If it is true) By what pharmacological aspects is it that the goofball is so much safer than the speedball?

I've done goofballs many times, sometimes with very high doses (with tolerance, back in the day I was partying hard) and have always found them extremely enjoyable. So much that if I were to take a drug for pure party and recreation purpose I would not want to take either meth or heroin by itself. I might say that they really must be used in combination the effect is so good and as a purely pleasure producing drug experience the goofball is by far the very best.
The speedball is really terrible by comparison (in my experience).
 
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I think you just had shitty coke bro.

Acetone wash & A/B the garbage coke then speedball it... if u don't like it after that then you're just fucking weird.
 
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