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So anyone seen the new american top gear? Its pretty shit if you ask me compared to the real one.
 
Wasn't even aware they made a US one... What's the reasoning behind the US remaking so many British shows? Why not just air the originals?

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Anyway Just spent the last three days in a room that resembled an opium den with my most faithful accomplice, Mary Jane, well, her and several other friends. In these three days all I've done is smoke and zone out to music, it's been a long time since I undertook such a 'session' so it was quite nice. Felt sorry for one of our group, he had to work 4pm-4am on the saturday after the all nighter on friday. Brutal. Anyway, back in the real world, and hopefully I'll actually get down to some art this week, hopefully the open day for the course I plan on applying to will have inspired me.

Finally located a track I loved in Lost in Translation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ4Pm0N8s78


Beautiful.

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Anyway, enjoy the track, I need a wash! Much love <3
 
^That made me both LOL and want to cry, at the same time. :\

In other news, I have but 1 final examination left this semester-- on Thursday. I think I might omnom some LSD as soon as I leave the classroom-- walk the long way home through campus & the park.
 
Symmetrical Daze said:
but to back up SKL on the attack against him for suboxone... i think amphetamine/mdma abuse is much more serious than a suboxone dependency.
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Some people really need to be on suboxone for a fucking long time, if not forever. In reality, they should be able to get the therapy/psychiatric/whatever they need help to happily choose not to use opiates, but if they need suboxone, fuck it. After a while they don't even get high off it anyway.

Though I've heard the constipation is a BITCH.

As a side note, I meant no ill will. But really, if you don't want people to respond, don't post it. That wasn't meant as snarky, I'm serious. It's an easy way to solve a problem.

for me, at least, drugs are a way to make me happy with my sober self. :) I think if you've done it right, you shouldn't need them. They teach the lessons, and the lessons stay.

Oddly enough, some very high quality molly barely changed me emotionally at all. I couldn't tell if it was working. Had some visuals and all, but apparently I'm so dammed loving all the time, it doesn't change me. I find that kind of funny :)

I'm happy that I didn't choose to do drugs until I was a bit older... I think it allowed me to get more grounding in the world, and to keep my shit together. It's amazing how much even a year can change you, isn't it?

The truth is, and I truly don't mean this negatively either, why are you doing MDMA by yourself and posting on BL? I mean, if it's what you like to do, it's fine. I just think maybe you oughta step away from the comp (I hate not-in-person social communication while tripping). Sometimes (and I'm sure we're all guilty of this) it's easier to step into the social world of BL than make it in the one that surrounds our physical form... but in the end, there's something very special about actually being with someone.

In short, fuck talking to us motherfuckers! ;)

Sweet dreams PD.
 
Roger&Me said:
^That made me both LOL and want to cry, at the same time. :\

In other news, I have but 1 final examination left this semester-- on Thursday. I think I might omnom some LSD as soon as I leave the classroom-- walk the long way home through campus & the park.
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Jesus, you're done already?! I'm not done for 3 weeks!

It made me laugh and cry a bit, but I think it's COMPLETELY a good idea. They have a point- if it's such a small % of the population, it would fall in the disorder range, despite its positive effect. More importantly, I think classifying and analyzing happiness in this respect might help MORE people find happiness, you know?

But I also like it because it kind of makes all the "disorders" seem less negative, you know? And I think that's completely true. I have an emotional disorder (in essence, I feel emotions a fuck-ton more intensely than most people) and though it has brought me a fuck-ton of hell, it's brought me some of the trippiest moments of my life (completely sober).

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As a side note, I have a weird OCD-tendency to clean my entire apartment after most of my exams.

I like tripping in clean apartments :D
 
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Yeah, I lucked out this semester-- I only have one actual scheduled final. Two of my courses this season were half-semester, and the other is just research. So I'm coastin' :D

I dunno, I'm kind of hard-line when it comes to classifying mental disorders. I think there are already too many frivolous disorders. To put happiness in the realm of pathology is pretty preposterous, IMO.

edit-- no wonder, its from the Department of Clinical Psychology, Liverpool University. 'Clinical psychology' is pretty shady stuff, I don't put much stock in that discipline at all. See: Science and Pseudoscience in Clinical Psychology by Lilienfeld
 
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If it's not the norm, then it IS a disorder. Kind of by definition. I mean, I doubt they're suggesting that people get treatment for it, it'd more likely be useful in terms of researching happiness in people. At the least, as someone in science, DEFINING shit is really fucking helpful. Otherwise everyone researches the same thing somewhat differently. Statistically, he's in the right.

I have a lot of finals left... mmm..
 
I've always thought that in order to be a disorder it must have a substantially negative impact on daily functioning.
Though looking at wiki I suppose that may not be so.
 
so this morning i was asleep (i guess, lol) and i was having a dream i was awake, lying in bed in the clothes i was wearing, in the exact same set and setting as when i was awake earlier. was on my computer, and every so often the screen would freeze up, but every time the screen froze, my vision would too. i could still move everything and feel myself, like i'd thump my nose or wave my hand in front of my head, i just couldn't see anything moving. so after like the fourth time that happened, i reached over and hit the power button on my laptop, and my vision unfroze and i woke up. but i was sitting up like i was in the dream and the power button on my laptop had been hit (there was a screen up "Certain Items are preventing Windows from shutting down")

it's been kinda freaking me out all day...
 
I dunno, I meet some people who seem completely sane and unaffected and unemotional... just completely sane people. It blows my mind more than anything, haha.

Clinical psychology is miles ahead of just "psychology", as far as I'm concerned.

Perhaps they just seem frivolous to you, but they're not? It might be a matter of perspective. The truth is, the concept of disorders is useful in the therapy/treatment/helping towards the happy of people. It allows comparison in terms of what is most effective by knowing what works for other people in similar/the same situations. I mean, hate to say it, but if you're not someone who has a "disorder" or other sort of mental thing, it might be harder to see that they aren't frivolous? just an idea, not attacking or anything.
 
adrian89987 said:
I've always thought that in order to be a disorder it must have a substantially negative impact on daily functioning.
Though looking at wiki I suppose that may not be so.
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as said, the abstract (and apparently the wiki) indicate that it's just a matter of not being the norm. to some extent, something that's unique enough to be odd, I suppose.

it's weird, I feel as if my intellectual speculation comes across as... um, argumentative? damn the internet, I'm just discussing.
 
We are at the dawn of an irreversible eve. It is way too late;
This is the last stage, life of mine, so pass however it pleases you!
Even if returning to the world once again is dreamt about,
We wish not to be fooled with such a consolation.
The endless, silent night that begins after passing the door
Whose wide wings open, pure black, in a void
Whereafter the sun no longer rises.
In the last garden set against the sunset, do as you wish,
Wreck your self in excitement, or be a heart in love!
A tulip must bloom in our bossoms or a rose.
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Originally in Turkish, so the translation probably isn't perfect, but it's still a nice passage.
 
I just think that people ought to avoid labeling themselves as disordered without strong reason. I also think that people ought to avoid medicating themselves with psychiatric drugs unless they are in significant distress, because I have seen people be severely harmed by those drugs and believe they should be used sparingly and with caution.

I'm not saying that there aren't any disorders, or anything like that. I'm just saying that psychiatric labels are powerful things and should only be applied to people in extreme circumstances. I also take issue with the lack of appropriate diagnostic testing for the presence of these disorders, there is no type of assay that can be done to establish their existence-- therefore the system is essentially reliant on the opinion of one particular medical professional.

Flarestar89 said:
as said, the abstract (and apparently the wiki) indicate that it's just a matter of not being the norm.
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To be considered a mental disorder by medical science, it must be negatively valued. (Some) clinical psychologists define 'disorder' differently, though.
 
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oh yeah flarestar, in case you didnt know, last night i fuckign SHARED my goddamn molly.
alone i was not
so fuck off. 8)
 
Roger&Me said:
I just think that people ought to avoid labeling themselves as disordered without strong reason. I also think that people ought to avoid medicating themselves with psychiatric drugs unless they are in significant distress, because I have seen people be severely harmed by those drugs and believe they should be used sparingly and with caution.

I'm not saying that there aren't any disorders, or anything like that. I'm just saying that psychiatric labels are powerful things and should only be applied to people in extreme circumstances. I also take issue with the lack of appropriate diagnostic testing for the presence of these disorders, there is no type of assay that can be done to establish their existence-- therefore the system is essentially reliant on the opinion of one particular medical professional.
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I understand where you're coming from. I'm suppose as an extreme case myself (take my word for it, I'm fucking insane) I don't think of those who DON'T need psychiatric medication as much. Of course, these are fucking drugs that affect your brain chemistry, and just like the drugs we use, deserve caution. For different reasons, of course.

There's the risks of "recreational" drugs (bad trip, fucking up your car, fucking up your brain, jumping off the roof because you think you can fly, having a schizophrenic fit, addiction, withdrawal...), and more society-loved psychiatric drugs (increased suicidal intent, loss or gain of appetite, lack of sex drive, hallucinations...)

There are a wide variety of medical disorders that do not have the most sufficient of testing. It surely is regrettable/inconvenient that mental disorders are not testable like HIV (though as a side note, some deficiencies and so on that can cause mood fluctuation are testable) What is notable, however, is that the psychiatric medications DON'T WORK if you don't have a some sort of actual problem.

Though some people have been severely harmed by psychiatric drugs, and the actions and behaviors that lead to that should be reduced, some people are truly helped by them. Be it placebo or not, if something improves someone's life and they wish to do it, I see no reason why not.

Once a person is over the age of 18, despite whatever a doctor says, they're usually not forced to take medication. Also, many people CHOOSE to go to psychiatrists; these people are making the decision, it's not as if some doctor is forcing them into a corner. Also, frequently therapy is a part of treatment, and though not a doctor, a therapist is often capable of giving the diagnosis a second check.

In terms of disorders, I don't view labels as you do.

An analogy I think is relevant:

In the LGBT community, there's often quite a bit of discussion of labels. Some reject them, others embrace them. What a label does to someone is completely dependent upon the person.

I've met a lot of people like you (from what I can tell of this short discussion, in this one aspect). They've seen people they know have a bad experience, and are somewhat biased towards the entire thing in general. I'm not trying to say you're being a biased idiot. More so, try to consider my point of view as well. :)

I suppose I've seen the opposite of what you've seen: People who NEED treatment, VERY FUCKING BADLY be biased against treatment with misconceptions and so on. A decent amount of these people are now in jail, due to all their problems. There are risks to these sorts of things, but I suppose I don't like discouragement of treatment. To say "in severe cases" can cause many people to say "well, I can just suck it up, it's not so bad" when that isn't really the case.

I've also seen a lot of people who are much better off due to the entire process.

It isn't perfect, but I think it's a very individual sort of thing.


And as said, I think the original article was more so making a relatively logical recommendation based on the statistically significant data he obtained. Whether or not it is worth listening to (and considering the age of the article, apparently not), I suppose is a matter of opinion. I see it more as a matter of organization and so on, and don't really see the problem with someone labeling themselves, if it is beneficial to them.

main point:

I suppose there's a general feeling of "psychiatric drugs are bad" on this board, and bluntly: I've talked to many BL'ers and given them support and recommended that if they feel they might have some sort of disorder, to explore the options further and not be ashamed of it. These drugs DO help people. Even though they can cause problems for others, and that's not good, they can do WONDERFUL things for some people, and we shouldn't tell people they're a totally bad idea. It's important to know the risks, but in a lot of cases, the benefits are there.

I say this as someone who has had them do some fucking awful things to me. If you care to know those experiences, message me or something, it's a bit personal to be posting on the board.

Um... yeah... again, not arguing or angry, but it's something I feel strongly about, I suppose.
 
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