Stimulants so how do i sleep again?

[Lopez]

seems like this is going to be a strange night, shouldn't have taken the XR version. the crash wasn't too bad, the only thing i can't really deal with is the insomnia side-effect. i already drank half a gallon of orange juice and popped a risperidone to help me sleep (yes i stooped so low as to use an antipsychotic), but no luck, though i'm rather sure within an hour or 2 i'll be asleep. incredibly it's been ~13 hours since i took them and i'm still feeling it. well anyway, is there any useful tips you guys have that can help me sleep next time i use speed?

 

[volp]

Reading your post it feels like I missed something, a chunk of the story. Like what in the hell you took.

Some amphetamine I will assume.

 

[Eagleman]

Stock up on benzos or opiates.
If you are not tolerant to either drug, stick to low doses. I know when you can't sleep you feel like you are going crazy and the urge to pop a bunch of pills might be high, but resist it. With opiates, stick to things like codeine and hydrocodone--I'm not telling you to go out and buy heroin.
If you use / abuse benzos or opiates...then you already know what to do...

 

[Poppydog]

Pretty similar to what people above have said, and what I said in a similar thread but even a moderate dose of a weak opiate or benzo will help a LOT. 10mg of a weak benzo like say temazepam will make you feel much much more melow. Hopefully you can get some low mg codeine tablets OTC. I try not to waste my opiates and benzos on getting "high" and save them for coming down or hangovers as they really come into their own then.

And if you use uppers on a regular basis I wouldnt advise using narcotics to come down regulary...you should find a dose that you can still sleep on if you are using them theraputically.

 

[stray cat]

ha, man i feel for you. i've been on add/adhd medicine since i was 13, and it still keeps me up sometimes. currently, i'm prescribed adderall, and i take it during the week to do work, but i don't like being on edge all the time, so i usually do not take any on the weekends. monday nights are always the worst b/c it affects me so much more after a couple days off, and a lot of times i can't sleep at all w/out a few benzos and beers at like 2am. after the first day back on, insomnia is not as much of a problem (unless i take too late in the day or something), but amphetamines can definitely keep me up at night, long after they stop helping my concentration

 

[vanboy5]

Lopez, are ya there?
What do you have access to in terms of sedative/hypnotic medications?

 

[HlPPlE]

serious reply: drink prune juice till you crap, it will clear enough of the drugs out of your system that you can sleep. FACT

Fact #2: using bottled water to make green tea will produce a detoxing drink that has no caffeine.

 

[scarletbegonias]

cannabis, low dose benzo or opioid, even an anti-histamine like Benadryl (diphenhydramine) will help.

I don't know if its just me, but I feel like I can (and sometimes do) fall asleep after taking dextroamphetamine(s). Anyone else? For me Adderall helps me stay alert and focused when pursuing a mentally straining activity, but other times it can make me feel very tired coming up. Even about 4-5 hours after taking a moderate IR dose I am still able to sleep well.

 

[Ksa]

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[volp]

Your location stretches my browser, awesome.

 

[vvViolet]

Lopez, seeing as you wrote "XR version" in your original post, i'm going to go ahead and assume you took Adderall. something that has not been mentioned in this thread is that a lot of the time insomnia caused by excessive AMP use simply cannot be resolved. whatever you throw at it: benzos, alcohol, diphenhydramine, opiates, cannabis, non-benzos (ambien), AAPs, etc; a good deal of the time the AMP will just "rise above" whatever you've taken and your insomnia will continue. i find KSA's recommendation that you take AMP as early as possible is awesome advice and spot-on. i'm not a huge fan of turning your XR into IR as a way to avoid insomnia as, dose depending, the comedown will probably be quite a bit more harsh and perhaps just as bad as the insomnia. nonetheless, your mileage may vary so it might be worth a try.

now, getting back to a pharmacological solution to AMP related insomnia is really going to come down to what you can readily get your hands on. here's my take:

benzos are good to have around but will often just make one more comfortable rather than put them to sleep. if you have no tolerance, they very well be enough to knock ya out. IMO, opiates are a much-much better choice than benzos (*i'm very bias as i hate benzos for the most part*). stay away from Thebaine based opiates (Oxycodone, Oxymorphone, Buprenorphine) as these can just as likely make your insomnia worse. actually, the only opiate i would recommend to you is Codeine. sure, Morph and Heroin will work grand but i'm sure you can see why that's not such a great idea. the others i listed don't work at all for me. lastly, i would be totally remiss if i didn't mention clonidine. it's an RX for high blood pressure but is remarkable at curbing the shittiness of AMP comedown along with the insomnia. come to think of it... after writing all that, clonidine gets my top recommendation. if you have any specific questions, feel free to ask as i've tried all this stuff and plenty other stuff to shut the freakin AMPs off. best wishes and good luck!

 

[JamtasticX]

^^^
I would agree with the fact that benzo's can often just make you more comfortable but not make you go to sleep, but sometimes just being able to lay down and relax is all you need. I forget where, but I read a study that says you can get 80-90% of benefits from sleep simply by laying down and closing your eyes, regardless if you ever technically fall asleep. So I would recommend benzo's because just being able to lay down on a couch or bed and not be tweeking is a great improvement, even if you don't sleep.

I personally wouldn't recommend using opiates, as I personally find them less effective than benzo's. I usually just end up speedballing, which is a great feeling, but in terms of sleep I find it a waste. Even though it feels good, in terms of being able to relax I personally thing benzos trump opiates in this case, but to each their own.

Also, KSA's suggestion about waking up early and taking your pills, then going back to sleep is a great idea. I used to do that, and believe me the extra hour or two to go back to sleep is great, and that will take the same amount of time off the end for your comedown. This has always been a classic favourite idea.

 

[.dp]

Take some benzos with not that high half-life (oxazepam) or smoke some indica weed.
Would prefere the second alternative.

 

[Dinkus123]

Oh the joys of uppers, thats why I never touch that shit anymore. I stick to my oxy, honestly I would rather go through W/D than coming down off of coke,amps,etc. But like they said, try and get some benzo's, if you cant get that maybe go to the doctor and try and get some sleeping pills for future comedowns. But if your looking for something quick and easily accessible, when I was doing blow in my younger years I popped 2-3 benadryl and a little bit of nyquil and that would usually knock me out in an hour or two.

Hope you can get some sleep, I cant stand come downs.. makes me quiver just thinking of those god awful mornings/afternoons when your laying wide awake in bed tweaked the fuck out.

 

[Nib]

Oh the joys of uppers, thats why I never touch that shit anymore. I stick to my oxy, honestly I would rather go through W/D than coming down off of coke,amps,etc. But like they said, try and get some benzo's, if you cant get that maybe go to the doctor and try and get some sleeping pills for future comedowns. But if your looking for something quick and easily accessible, when I was doing blow in my younger years I popped 2-3 benadryl and a little bit of nyquil and that would usually knock me out in an hour or two.

Hope you can get some sleep, I cant stand come downs.. makes me quiver just thinking of those god awful mornings/afternoons when your laying wide awake in bed tweaked the fuck out.

That's for damn sure. Fuck bad comedowns and shitty next days. At least with that $500 I spent on a bunch of blow and 2 hookers I coulda got real high for a week or 2.

 

[stray cat]

I agree with jam about benzos vs. opiates for helping you sleep. if you're going to try a medicinal-type approach, i think benzos are much more effective for helping you sleep after taking amps than opiates.

benzo + a glass of wine/beer is what i find most helpful in that situation, but in the interest of harm reduction, i don't recommend combining alcohol w/ benzos unless you have some experience w/ it, as it can lead to dangerous respiratory depression, death, etc. Plus, if you can find something that works that is not a drug, that would be ideal.

the suggestion to take it earlier is sage advice. i usually try not to take adderall after 1 or 2 in the afternoon, and i get IR. also, i would definitely recommend trying non-drug alternatives before you try any benzo or opiate, as both are highly addictive, and you don't want to have to rely on them to go to sleep all the time anyway.

 

[macbrown21]

Xanax and a beer always gets me to sleep after I take my oxys. The oxy is very stimulating for me. When I do coke (not in awhile) but I drink a lot the whole time as I'm usually at a bar club. So I can usually sleep when I get home and smoke weed. With adderall I took 70mgs once at from noon to 4pm and couldn't sleep for the life of me. I went out at 3am and bought some chiva and weed. Rolled a joint with the chiva in there too. Worked like a charm. I'm pretty opiate tolerant so I wasn't to concerned. But definitely be careful with the cheese. If you're not tolerant of opiates I'd think a xanax or valium plus a beer would help a lot. Triazolam will definitely put you down, but I'd be careful with that as its really strong. Like stray cat said if you do go with the benzos don't use 'em more than twice a week. Otherwise you'll build up a tolerance for them really quick and you won't be sleeping without a lot of them, whether you're on amps or not!

 

[vvViolet]

benzo + a glass of wine/beer is what i find most helpful in that situation, but in the interest of harm reduction, i don't recommend combining alcohol w/ benzos unless you have some experience w/ it, as it can lead to dangerous respiratory depression, death, etc.

good point with a benzo + alcohol. seems like a solid bet to knock one out, i'm just not a huge fan of alcohol. also, as stray cat mentions, an alcohol/benzo combination can be quite hazardous. i'd like to also add that any poly-drug remedies without a pretty solid idea of one's tolerance/s to such substances is a poor idea especially when you consider the synergistic effects of downers (i.e. - just because one knows how much xanax they can handle, and, also knows how much codeine they can handle, doesn't mean they have a clue how much of the combination they can handle). i've blabbed about that too much.

anyway, two other things i thought of as today passed: if you are tweaking on Adderall, making a switch to a Dex-AMP product (Vyvanse, Dexedrine) might make your insomnia a little less pronounced. Adderall's got that nasty little Levo-AMP that i swear never wants to f'n wearing off. then again, you might prefer Adderall over Dexy. lastly, i remembered Trazodone. Trazodone by far was my favorite AMP insomnia slayer. it's an old school anti-depressant and possesses a very strong hypnotic effect. i've seen it work for others in similar situations as well. that's all for now. keep us posted!

 

[RobbyG]

when im on adderall weed is my motherfucking hero. I would be so skinny and not sleep if i didnt smoke

 

[Eagleman]

Oh the joys of uppers, thats why I never touch that shit anymore. I stick to my oxy, honestly I would rather go through W/D than coming down off of coke,amps,etc. But like they said, try and get some benzo's, if you cant get that maybe go to the doctor and try and get some sleeping pills for future comedowns. But if your looking for something quick and easily accessible, when I was doing blow in my younger years I popped 2-3 benadryl and a little bit of nyquil and that would usually knock me out in an hour or two.

Hope you can get some sleep, I cant stand come downs.. makes me quiver just thinking of those god awful mornings/afternoons when your laying wide awake in bed tweaked the fuck out.

Really?? I mean, withdrawal can last up to a week, followed my mental WD. Crashing from stimulants lasts a day and a half, at the worst. I'd rather be buggin' out for 36 hours or so, rather than spending a week curled up in the fetal position, covered in cold sticky perspiration with diarrhea and anxiety.