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Drinking and eating Deadly Nightshade

Datura will never make us "trip" for +24 hrs, and 2 of us 3 were already experienced, older tripper by the time this happened (over 30 LSD trips)
A doctor friend of ours when heard about it, talked about extracting the active ingredient of the Parkinson's Disease drug Parkinol from this plant. We also tripped on Parkinol a few times when much younger, and similarities are stunning. It has a street name of "Roaches" or "Sarasir" in Arabic, cause the user usually sees black spots. At higher doses (over 10 mg) hallucinations become very intense and a visible and dangerous distortion between reality and non-reality takes place. We constantly needed help to even drink a few sips of H2o!

@Frenchmachine: At least have the decency to read all my words before posting such ignorant and close minded post!
 
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You say datura wouldn't make you trip for over 24+ hours, i disagree. I've read numerous reports of people tripping for over two days, and everything you said about your experience sounds extremely close of a resembelance to a datura trip
 
You poor sap... it really does sound like you're talking about Datura tea, especially the bit about extracting an antiparkinsonian agent. You do know what those are, right? DELERIANTS like atropine and benztropine and stuff. Not exactly my pot of tea.

Ignoring the fact its not soluble in a water based "tea", salvinorin A is a dissociative and has a bunch of esters that are rapidly attacked so there's no way your body would have savlinorin kicking around 72 hours later. Atropine (in datura) on the other hand is fat soluble enough to stick around for a long time = 72 hour delerium.
 
/case closed.

Does salvia even grow in that area? I suppose it could...it's at about the same latitude as Mexico. Agreed that it was datura or some similar delirium inducing plant.
 
Datura. Fool yourself or attempt to trick others, but it is definitely Datura. As this is a harm reduction forum as much as you would hate to have it said:

Egyptians tricked you.

You are taking more Datura which is dangerous, and it has the exact same effects, so it is going to kill you a little faster than taking something more benign.

Egyptians tricked you.

So you tripped on 30+ acid trips? From your knowledge it might as well have been dipped in Tylenol, take it as an offense if you will but I doubt you got real acid if you can fucking troll yourself into thinking that a Datura trip turns into Salvia. Egyptians tricked you. This isn't a dicksizing thread, this is a discussion of what happened, and what happened is a Datura trip. Egyptians tricked you. Said occurrences were in fact several deliriums in which you cannot come to the fact that the people who aren't profiting from you are giving you information that you were too stupid to figure out, google or thank. Egyptians tricked you. Frenchmachine gets points for making the biggest impact. We are close minded because we didn't get tricked like you did, sorry.

Your stories are interesting and insightful, but label them with Datura. I can write several articles on Zoloft while taking Prozac, and mislabeling them is of course very useless and stupid, in the context of them not describing the one, just like using the labeling structure of a girl's genitals on a boy. Harmful even, imagine reaching for the testicles. OW.
 
Been&Done said:
Datura will never make us "trip" for +24 hrs
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So a plant that is known to cause long-lasting experiences - 2-3 days in some cases (Datura), you say would never make you trip for over 24 hours... yet you are convinced you took a substance (salvia) that is known to only last a few hours when used orally?

What kind of logic is that? Sorry buddy, but you took Datura. The long duration, the extreme dry mouth, the overall dangerous aspect of the trip, the extraction of anti-parkinson agents.... its a bullseye.

This "parkinol" drug you mentioned? Its an ANTI-CHOLINERGIC. This means it is similiar to atropine and scopalamine - the active ingredients in Datura.

That doesn't make your experience any less profound, but its *absolutely* certain that you took Datura and not Salvia.
 
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Egyptian Bedouins did nothing to trick us and we wern't tourists, we have been going to this place for years and years and 2 of the 3 times we did it, we went on a hike between the mountains where it grows, and we picked it up ourselves, Once again, Datura is called Datura but not available in those areas, "Sakarana" the plant we tripped on, IS NOT DATURA!
When we were back from that last trip we got the leaves pictures from the net and compared them to the ones we had and they were pretty much the same.
Since everyone here is so certain that it can't be salvia, i'll get along but then it's definitely not Datura and the only known stories about it under the name "Sakarana", belongs to the Bedouins and us. I wish some people don't get too offensive, i was just trying to share an amazing unusual experience. We thought it's salvia, because of the similarities we've read about, after all, the name Salvia isn't even known there as i said many times. Finally, please if you have any suggestion, you're more than welcome to post them
 
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It must be "magic salvia" then, because that's the only fucking way what you took was salvia leaves. There are NO REPORTS of ANYONE ever having a 72 hour salvia trip. Not to mention the chemical properties of the salvia active agent don't allow it to last that long in the human body...wait, maybe you and your friends are human freaks of nature and only you guys get to have 72 hour salvia trips. Your symptoms and experiences are 100% spot on, for DATURA.

The long time people on this forum are, in the most part, far more versed and experienced in matters such as this, than you apparently are, and you would be well advised to listen to and take some advice from them.

Datura. Not salvia. They might not know the word salvia, but that means nothing, it's not relevant to the matter at hand.

Why can't some people admit at least the possibility that they were TRICKED/LIED to...actually it's almost certain you were lied to, and took Datura.
 
Just to end this discussion, No1 gave us this plant and told us its Salvia, we went and picked it up ourselves, took it 3 different freaking times over 3 freaking years, and got fucked every time, but that last time when we ate those 2 leaves, that was really the end of it. I'm sorry if we thought it's Salvia since there are no known reports about it, especially in this part of the world. But its not Datura either, and please everyone stop repeating this. There are so many species and sub-species of plants that i'm sure a lot is still unknown, then lets try and find out together what this unknown plant is (Growing around the red sea)
Once again, just to be clear n rational about the timing, we drank the boiled plant the 1st day at around 7 pm, stayed up the whole night, slept, got up still confused and delirious and by 9 p.m the next day, we ate 2 leaves each, then gradually the trip kept getting stronger and crazier, by the time the ambulance came to pick my wounded buddy at around 6 or 7 am, we were so out of it, that we were told what happened those last few hours since memory wise its 90% forgotten.
Later on, when my friend was taken to the hospital, he was acting so bizarre (rolling imaginary joints in the air) that the whole hospital, patients and dr.'s alike where passing by his room to watch "this crazy guy"
I'm sure it must have been a dilemma for them, he's not drunk, he's not Od'ing on opiates, he's not slammed from Barbiturates, simply a crazy man!
Of course we came back from this trip and it took us a long night sleep to wake up the next day still a little abnormal and eyes can't really read, letters are doubled and stuff. When we got together feeling normal again and wanted to know what the fuck happened to us, since as i mentioned before that me and my wounded buddy were already Acid heads since the mid 90's, and I was always in control even with 6 drops of liquid L. Totally different of course, no happiness and no psychedelic feel, once again, it's not fun to be sooooo gone. Definitely, our last time...All of us.
 
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^ The imaginary smokes and drinks is something that I have done and seen others do with DPH, it's a very common side effect of deleriants.
 
It might not be datura, but there are several plants that contain similar alkaloids and therefore have similar effects. Read some of the trip reports on erowid for datura: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Datura.shtml

Picking one at random, just to point out common themes:
Starts out ok, just feel a bit light-headed
Followed by confusion, interacting with people/objects that aren't there, smoking imaginary cigarettes
Not mentioned in this one, but most talk about extreme dry mouth
3 days in hospital, fighting with cops, life ruined/jail/rehab

Oh, and amnesia and blurred/double vision is also really common.

wiki said:
Atropa belladonna...commonly known as belladonna or deadly nightshade,...native to Europe, North Africa, and Western Asia.
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And the leaves do look kinda similar to salvia:
http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/top-5-poisonous-plants2.htm
 
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Been&Done said:
Just to end this discussion, No1 gave us this plant and told us its Salvia, we went and picked it up ourselves, took it 3 different freaking times over 3 freaking years, and got fucked every time, ....
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Then I suggest you freaking learn about what you are picking and eating BEFORE you do it. You did not take salvia. Next time you do something stupid you might kill yourself, and that's not a good thing, however it might seem that way to some people.
 
Yes, the imaginary smoke and tripping over cigarettes and joints were very common to all of us in those 3 trips.
Skillet....good job, the link is educational and YES, they do look very similar, it's been 7 years but those dark green leaves cannot be easily forgotten after what they did to us :) and YES, they DO grow wild....so is that it? Deadly Nightshade is the answer? well, maybe we need another proof or 2. I just e-mailed the link to one of my buddies asking him about what he thinks...but it's looking good :) This is getting more interesting
My friend with the wound has a visible cut in his bold head until today, kind of a reminder to all of us, but we made it and we're alive. The old story about the older guys who did it 10 years before us was written in the papers back then and i know a few of them, but they boiled it and drank it and most were out for almost 2 days...So you had a bunch of boys and girls acting like maniacs in the city. Very dangerous!!! When anyone asked me if they should try, i always keep saying NO..Not fun and if there is no sitter, something bad will most likely happen. We were mid desert, away from anything and the guy hurt his head and bled like Rocky 4! A few younger guys heard the story from us and despite telling them it's not a good idea (coming from us was considered something weird, since we were pro-drugs) and they traveled to there, took it, and while driving (really don't know how!!) their jeep just rolled on its side and were badly injured! Well, taking any drug should always be done with responsibility, especially those that we don't know much about.
 
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Then I suggest you freaking learn about what you are picking and eating BEFORE you do it. You did not take salvia. Next time you do something stupid you might kill yourself, and that's not a good thing, however it might seem that way to some people.
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Hmmm...once again, we never took it as Salvia, it's called "Sakarana" there, later on, we thought it might be Salvia from reading about similar effects, that's it.
Even at 25 years old back then, we knew what were doing, and info was taken from the older people who did it 10 years earlier. Of course i'll never do it again, but it's an unforgettable experience and thought i'd share it with you. Eating the leaves was the really reckless part, i believe the boiling eliminates a lot. I'm not young to have a "next time something stupid", please be civilized and mature in your discussions.

Just got a reply from my friend, this IS the picture of the plant we took. Deadly Nightshade...what a name! and what a trip!
Plus, according to Erowid...It IS available in the Middle East. The Puzzle is starting to complete :)
Do you know about the Egyptian Blue Lotus? apparently was known to Pharaohs almost 5000 yrs ago, along with Opium and
other stuff already known by them. Mysterious peeps for sure.
I guess we should change the name of this thread now
 
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Been&Done said:
please be civilized and mature in your discussions.

Just got a reply from my friend, this IS the picture of the plant we took. Deadly Nightshade...what a name! and what a trip!
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Sorry to be harsh, but what you did was kinda stupid. Lucky you did not end up in a worse situation!

I am civilized in the matter that I don't want fellow humans dead. You have been decent in your replies, point taken.
 
It wasn't Salvia Divinorum period. You picked something you were not totally sure of, extremely stupid and you were lucky you didn't die. Ingesting too much of datura is a very bad idea, I wouldn't touch it at all personally.
 
Once again, if you're interested enough to write on here, you might as well read the whole thread! IT'S NOT BLOODY DATURA, NO DATURA IN SINAI!!!! Damn...some people just want to write!!! DEADLY NIGHTSHADE

Lets change the name of the thread, please! How can we do that?
 
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