Heroin Using heroin and physical dependence.

[Never_Sober]

The best quote in the movie candy goes somethin like this, "how are you? So new to the path of wild abandon, when you can quit you don't want to, and when you want to quit you can't!" So simple yet so true.

 

[hydrochron]

I used to go by the rule if you can do 2 days in a row, then anymore then that your screwed.

Some how though I managed to notice there is a way to have fun. I used to do 2-3 days every 2 weeks. This always worked great. I've noticed if I go over 2 days though I might notice a slight withdrawal.

It's a gamble, you never know what's going to happen or how bad it's going to get when your chipping. Alot of the time you wont get withdrawal from a week, other times you might get a terrible withdrawal from only 1 week.

 

[Dankycodone]

^ are you calling ME preachy? Hm, that's weird I think I'm starting to smell a ban coming...

By the way, I resent that comment. I am NOT a junkie, just wildly self-righteous.

Lol it was a general joke I wish someone preached too me soon enough but I don't think I'd help

 

[Amberthefrog]

This always worked great. I've noticed if I go over 2 days though I might notice a slight withdrawal.

Really? Would have thought it would take at least a couple of weeks of daily use for physical dependence to result.

 

[hydrochron]

Really? Would have thought it would take at least a couple of weeks of daily use for physical dependence to result.

I'm not talking about anything to bad, just minor muscle pains and not feeling happy if I go for 3 days or more. Usually after a 1 week binge I get some annoying withdrawals.

But I think this is because I was addicted before this, and i'm pretty sure your body is more sensitive to withdrawal after you've been addicted.

Again it's nothing like quiting after using for a few months or a year, but my point is you get hooked back in right away. At least I do. Also I'm talking about using the highest amount of opiates I can without ODing, that might have somthing to do with it.

 

[ATLL765]

^^I feel like I notice that I'm more sensitive to withdrawal symptoms too since using in the past and stopping for a while. Now it seems if I use for 3-4 days I'll feel kinda crappy for a day or two, yet my gf who hadn't used in the past doesn't seem to have as much of an issue with it.

I also notice my tolerance tends to grow much faster now than during my first stint with heroin. Anyone else notice this?

 

[.Lucid.]

^^I feel like I notice that I'm more sensitive to withdrawal symptoms too since using in the past and stopping for a while.

i definitely relate to this 100%

 

[ATLL765]

It's kind of lame because my gf doesn't believe me when I tell her I feel crappy. She's also never really been in bad withdrawals, so she's not terribly knowledgeable when it comes to the symptoms. Either way, she makes me feel like a big whiny baby when I complain about feeling sick. Maybe I am just a whiny bitch about it though haha.

 

[†∆†]

heroin is not a drug that can be used recreationally.

it's just not.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^simply because MOST people who use it, do not use it recreationally, does not mean it can't be used that way.

23% of people who try heroin become dependent on it.

 

[ATLL765]

^^Do you have a source for that number? I'd love to see where you got that from, it seems accurate enough to me, but I'd just like to see any other info that went along with that.

23% is quite a high number of people to get addicted to something they use. Imagine if 23% of people who used Alcohol became addicted to it. I feel like if that were the case, we'd have a lot of alcoholics around here.

 

[stuckinaloop]

^simply because MOST people who use it, do not use it recreationally, does not mean it can't be used that way.

23% of people who try heroin become dependent on it.

that quote doesnt mean shit

they can still be addicted and not dependent

spending every dollar hey get in on the next bag

its still not a recreational drug

id love to talk to a recreational user that doesnt fill his off time with bupe or methadone

 

[Tom Mercury]

its still not a recreational drug

id love to talk to a recreational user that doesnt fill his off time with bupe or methadone

So by Your defenition heroin is not a drug that can be used in the pastime for diversion, relaxment and/or enjoyment?

Not all users are addicts, doing it three times a week without using bupe - have You never seen that behaviour?
Of course it can go bad, just like driving down the freeway in a mini. Chipping may be very difficult as one said in this thread, but it's a psychological issue that really needs a lot of self restraint.

 

[.Lucid.]

its still not a recreational drug

id love to talk to a recreational user that doesnt fill his off time with bupe or methadone

everyones different. after i got clean from a 3 year daily dope habit i went back to chipping for a while without becoming physically dependent again.

personally i agree, chipping sucks and heroin is not a drug that i want to even be an occasional user of.. its more of an all or nothing type of drug imo. but that doesnt mean its not possible.

the fact is that most people who use heroin are NOT dependent.. people tend to only hear about and notice the junkies who are out committing crimes and getting into trouble trying to support their habits.. but there are people who are fully functional members of society that use heroin and youd never even know it.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^^Do you have a source for that number? I'd love to see where you got that from, it seems accurate enough to me, but I'd just like to see any other info that went along with that.

23% is quite a high number of people to get addicted to something they use. Imagine if 23% of people who used Alcohol became addicted to it. I feel like if that were the case, we'd have a lot of alcoholics around here.

Originally, I saw that on here when someone copied a page of textbook they had and I didn't believe it at all and we debated for a while. Later it was in a text book I have (for an addiction counseling program I am in) and I've seen the number repeated elsewhere. I'll try to find an electronic source when I have time.

For alcohol, IIRC, the number was 16% which was the same as cocaine... this seems a little high as I would expect it to be closer to 10% for alcohol.

that quote doesnt mean shit

they can still be addicted and not dependent

spending every dollar hey get in on the next bag

its still not a recreational drug

id love to talk to a recreational user that doesnt fill his off time with bupe or methadone

You act like 100% of people who try it become daily users. For all intents and purposes, the way I used dependent is interchangeable with addiction. And no, with a drug such a heroin, its extremely unlikely anyone would meet the diagnostic criteria for addiction without being physically dependent.

23% compared to other drugs is REALLY high, lots of people try heroin a handful of times or less.

 

[macbrown21]

I started using heroin because I was in oxy wds and couldn't get a new script. I probably bought some 3 or 4 times always snorting or smoking and never really craved it. I was usually taking small doses just to stave off wds and get a little buzz. Which I of course liked. I never really crazed dope until I iv'd some. I think about it quite a bit now lol. Funny because I've had IV diluadid a lot at the doctor, of course I like it but never really craved a shot. Its different when you inject yourself though, the whole process is pretty addictive. Anyway if you don't wanna be thinking about dope all day, don't shoot it. Just sniffing or smoking seemed no more addictive than sniffing or eating oxys. I actually like oxy better than dope if I'm not gonna shoot it. Then again I've taken a lot of oxy so its probably normal for me to like it more. Also with the oxys you can take a 30mg pill and its 30mg. With dope I always get that little thought in the back of my mind that I did too much or something. Though I only really caught a nod on dope just the first time i shot it. I always do small amounts, or small amounts for my tolerance at least.

 

[edtree]

Heroin is inert? You realize that means 'doesn't do anything', right?

The vast majority of the medical and addiction treatment worlds would agree on 2 things pertaining to what you're saying - drug use is certainly a choice, addiction is certainly not. In fact, many would define it AS the opposite of this. No one CHOOSES to become an addict.

Addiction is characterized by losing control, losing that choice over your use. If this weren't true we wouldn't have near the addiction/alcoholism rates we do; or the crime associated with such; or the people still using despite risking death, losing loved ones, facing prison time and so many other consequences.

It's DEFINITELY inert Cane. I've had my last bag out on the bench here for two days now......and it hasn't moved a fukn inch lol.

 

[dokomo]

Has anyone heard of self-control?
Eat too much get fat
Use too much get addicted
Fukn hard to figure out init.
"Everything in moderation" Aristotle.
Heroin is neither good or evil its an inert substance. How one CHOOSES to use it is the predicament but removing choice is censorship and we wouldn't need censorship if we exercised self-control.
Hari Om
edtree

Oh remembered reading that heroin is completely removed from the system in 4 days so if one only used every 5 days then there would be zero chance of developing a physical dependancy.

I understand your rationale, but when you're talking about substances that actually change the way you think, its a very complex problem. It's very easy to say "don't take too much and you won't get addicted" but the tool a person uses to make judgments and compromises also happens to be the same one that they are altering by taking the opioid. In other words, most people find it extremely difficult psychologically, to maintain such sparse usage.

In terms of physical dependence, changes can occur at a much larger interval than the four days you mentioned. I know that different people will have different experiences, but I use opioids literally one time per month (meaning one single dose, one time) and have for years. In spite of this, my tolerance has climbed from 10-15mg of hydrocodone to now 90-100mg of oxycodone and 30mg hydrocodone ER at once.

 

[macbrown21]

In spite of this, my tolerance has climbed from 10-15mg of hydrocodone to now 90-100mg of oxycodone and 30mg hydrocodone ER at once.

Did you get that backwards? Never heard of hydrocodone er. Doesn't matter I get your point anyways. When I did oxy about once or twice a month my tolerance got up to where I'd need 80mg to get off. And its never fallen more than 5mg. Never like the first time when I took 20mg and was totally faded.

 

[CbRoXiDe]

I was exactly the same as you mate, first i'd use every couple of months, then it would be every 2 weeks, then you'd think aww this is easy once a week will be a doodle, then before you know it your smoking weekends and wednesday then BOOM your addicted. Like people have said heroin bites 99.9% of people in the ass eventually, it took two years for it to get to me addicted with weekend and monthly use, but it gets everyone in the end.

More kudos to you if you can stick to a schedule like that. I'd just quit while your ahead, cause you really don't wanna go through WD's mate.