[MEGA] Every Year's Community Growing advice, tips, tricks, & experiences

[Artificial Emotion]

^ I wanted to say something similar but I ended up biting my tongue!

edit: mr muncheeze I don't know how I missed the part about prelude asking about cutting the plant. I do agree that that is unwise. I would put the smaller ones on pots to get them closer to the light and just veg them to the point where you want them to be. If the other ones that are bigger right now get even bigger then that shouldn't be a problem. In future try not to have such a disparity in size between your plants. Careful planning should help prevent this from happening.

 

[mr.muncheez]

I woke up a bit cranky and couldn't help myself, plus I found what he said to be pretty offensive to every grower on BL...I gotta remember not to sign on to BL until I take my med and the opiate w/d's have subsided..LOL

 

[80mg]

Prelude, I think you could yield more than 14g on an 18" plant, since it is an indica dom. plant.

Bear in mind they'll probably double or even triple in height during flowering.

6-10 inches is too small though. The longer you veg the higher your yield.

80mg, were your comments about not wanting to 'grow, put time, money & dedication into growing' directed at me as well as Prelude (you quoted me so it's hard to tell)?

Are you fucking kidding me? Way to make an ignorant blanket statement and diss almost every grower on this board. YOU have no fucking clue how much hard work, time and money I have put in, so screw you to say EVERYONE wants free bud without putting in the work and money...go fuck yourself. You don't seem to know shit about growing, the ridiculous claims that you have made is nausiating.


"Well, I do have them on other pots, so everything is at an even level, I was just wanting all of my plants to be 16 inches or so , instead of just flowering them at 6-10 inches., Is this a bad idea, or worth doing?
And how would I go about it if it there was a healthy way to do it
Would I just keep cutting off the branch of the new growth of the larger plant, or just take scissors and keep cutting the new growth.
I know theres a chemical that slows growth, but I dont want to use that ( I would think its not healthy for the plant)
Anyways, let me know what you all think,
I've got 2 healthy 16-18 inch plants, 1 unhealthy 18 inch plant, and 4 plants around the height of 6 inches - 10 inches. any ideas.
Anyone know around how much that would produce if flowered now? "

Prelude...please read what you wrote over again...I can't believe that you would even (for a min) entertain the thought of slowing & cutting your healthiest and most vigourous plants just so the weaklings can catch up...ARE YOU CRAZY or just really inexperienced?...cause that sounds just plain ole dumb! Think about it, you want to cut off any new growth the plant is pushing out and then when your ready to let it take off you expect it to just start exploding with growth?? It doesn't work that way..you will be stressing the shit out of your healthy ones with the hope that the weaker ones will catch up..that's just ridiculous.

I told you, bending (super-cropping) helps make them bushy, instead of really tall...have you tried anything that people have suggested? Flowering at 8-10 inches isn't the worst thing in the world...they continue to veg atleast the first 2 weeks of flowering, so even at 10 inches, if you have the right strain, you can easily obtain a pretty decent yield..will they be the cream of the crop?..NO!, but you will get more off of them than what 80MG claims, and I wouldn't put your healthiest ones in jeapordy (sp) for the sake of the weaker ones.

First off IDK why Artifical is on my nuts my comment had nothing to do with him. Some people always need attention huh?

Second off if your such an expeienced grower why are you asking such ridiculous questions?

But ya know what. Go put your foot and a half plant into flowering. Even if it did "double in size" (which by the way is laughable) you are still going to end up with 3 feet, with a max yield of 2ozs. Just not worth it. IMO but then again you don't give a fuck what I think so go chop it down. All I know is I'll be enjoying my 6foot monsters with 2x your yield.

So if you and your boyfriend can get off y dick that'd be great. This is about growing so whatever else you guys got to say I don't give a fuck. Your both whack.

 

[mr.muncheez]

What questions did I ask? Did read my post, did u see I quoted what Prelude asked and responded..what the hell are u talkin about...and I've never claimed to an experienced grower..there is always something to learn no matter how long you've been growing..and by comparing your "6 ft monsters to indoor plants is stupid..outdoors is much much easier to produce large plants..successfully producing primo, potent indoor buds, which burn smooth and explode with taste is what separates the men from the boys.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

First off IDK why Artifical is on my nuts my comment had nothing to do with him. Some people always need attention huh?

Second off if your such an expeienced grower why are you asking such ridiculous questions?

But ya know what. Go put your foot and a half plant into flowering. Even if it did "double in size" (which by the way is laughable) you are still going to end up with 3 feet, with a max yield of 2ozs. Just not worth it. IMO but then again you don't give a fuck what I think so go chop it down.

So if you and your boyfriend can get off y dick that'd be great. This is about growing so whatever else you guys got to say I don't give a fuck. Your both whack.

Why did you quote me then? Your attitude stinks.

I'd be surprised if anyone takes you seriously after your unprovoked, abusive rants.

All I know is I'll be enjoying my 6foot monsters with 2x your yield.

I guess modesty isn't your best attribute 8)

 

[papa]

In other news.....my sativas are finally finished...after only 11 weeks blooming...

 

[Blowmonkey]

lol just ignore the dude. Asks how to grow indoor a couple pages back, then starts lecturing everyone on how to grow inside. That's whack, yo. :D

^ Oldtimer1 (you heard of him Blowmonkey? Something tells me you must have. If you have you'll know why I'm mentioning him) has found through trials of many plants grown SOG style that 20/4 actually yields more than the generally accepted 18/6 but that going above 20/4 gives you ever diminishing yields.

I haven't actually, didn't spent a lot of time these last couple of years on international fora, the only one I kept visiting somewhat frequently was a dutch forum, but the consensus there is also that 24/0 reduces growth.

I always use a 17/7 cycle if I'm vegging under the HPS, mostly to save costs a little. Works just as well as 18/6, haven't found any difference between the two. I keep my clones under alternating light cycles, depends on what I've got going at that given time. Usually it's 20/4, but my thai and a couple of those semi-automatics I have, they get at least 22 hours of light, else they go straight into flowering.

But that's pretty interesting that 20/4 should improve yield. How much of a difference did he report? Might be worth checking out.

In other news.....my sativas are finally finished...after only 11 weeks blooming...

PICS!

 

[papa]

PICS!

Sure,...I always take some pics...I'll post some after work..

 

[mr.muncheez]

Idk, I did 24/0 this last time and they grew like crazy..maybe its just that the SD and Snow White are vigorous strains...I've done 18/6 in the past and I can take constructive critisism (sp), that's what with thread is for, taking and giving advice..I will try 20/4 this next go around!

 

[Artificial Emotion]

lol just ignore the dude. Asks how to grow indoor a couple pages back, then starts lecturing everyone on how to grow inside. That's whack, yo. :D



I haven't actually, didn't spent a lot of time these last couple of years on international fora, the only one I kept visiting somewhat frequently was a dutch forum, but the consensus there is also that 24/0 reduces growth.

I always use a 17/7 cycle if I'm vegging under the HPS, mostly to save costs a little. Works just as well as 18/6, haven't found any difference between the two. I keep my clones under alternating light cycles, depends on what I've got going at that given time. Usually it's 20/4, but my thai and a couple of those semi-automatics I have, they get at least 22 hours of light, else they go straight into flowering.

But that's pretty interesting that 20/4 should improve yield. How much of a difference did he report? Might be worth checking out.



PICS!

That would be interesting to see what the dutch forums are like. Unfortunately I only speak english and a few words of french though.

Here's what oldtimer said:

you only want your plants under continouse low light levels if they are mums or rooting cuttings.

As a newcomer to growing you would be best to stick with 18/6 for fast growth and vegging under intense HID lighting.

Once you have some growing experance 20/4 can produce faster growth, but every thing needs to be right ie air exchange, water, fert, etc etc have to be finely tuned to get the best out of it. Get it wrong and the results can be worse..

So the best advice would be to tread cautiously. This is pretty much what I do - I use 24/0 to start off with and when there are a couple/few true leaves I switch up to 20/4.

 

[papa]

I sleep in the same room I grow in,...so, I'm forced to use a 14/10 schedule for vegging...it works out okay for an indica dominate hybrid..but sativas need more light time than that....they could switch to bloom with only 10 hours of darkness...

 

[mr.muncheez]

That would be interesting to see what the dutch forums are like. Unfortunately I only speak english and a few words of french though.

Here's what oldtimer said:



So the best advice would be to tread cautiously. This is pretty much what I do - I use 24/0 to start off with and when there are a couple/few true leaves I switch up to 20/4.

Wow! So vegging an extra 2 hrs and giving them a 4 hr rest instead of 6 hrs is really that much of a difference that you can mess up your crop? Cause 0 hours of reset didn't show any negative effects for me, so I assumed giving them that 4 hr rest wouldn't be all that difficult.


Papa-good on ya for working with long flowering sativas...im sure it's worth the wait! I'd love to see some pics of them, when ya get a chance.

You to AE, I know you just started your seedlings, but snap a few pics and post em please.

 

[papa]

Here's a pic of one of the new sativa kolas...very fruity tasting...low odor and a nice, mellow stone...

NSFW:

 

[mr.muncheez]

Nice!!

 

[Arobskittle]

LOL @ 80mg

he gets "double the yield" of a 16 inch indoor plant on an OUTDOOR "6 foot monster"

wow dude way to go!

just so you know 80, I put 12 inch plants into flower last grow and got just under an ounce per plant off 9 plants.

YOU don't know shit and are more wack than anybody who posts in this thread.

 

[Greenstar420]

Keep Vegging. 18inch will get you MABE 14grams. Not worth it.

The truth is everyone wants to grow, but no one wants to grow. Meaning EVERYONE wants free bud, money for selling it etc, but no one wants too put the time and dedication and money into it. You sound like one of them. If you want to put these fairly small plants into flowring, if you get an oz all together Ill be shocked. But it sounds like you don't really have what it takes to make them better so I suggest do it now before you lose intrest.

Sorry to be so blunt, it's just true.

Throwing a plant into bloom at 18" can easily yield 2.5 oz's by the end of the cycle. How much a plant yields is very strain dependent. other factors are the overall enviorment, flower time, and if the grower knows what he or she is doing. It does not sound like you speak from experience dude.

 

[misteee]

i hear great things for the flowering phase on having a hps on top of the plant and a MH lamp bellow the plant.
mates of mine have big success with hps on both top nd bottom but i hear that MH is successfull in draggin out extra resin via the blue spectrum in the final weeks of flowering!!

 

[Greenstar420]

^Sounds like a good system. Lots of pro growers will use primarily hps lighting during flower but will use mh lighting in corners and between lamps as supplemental lighting. Seems to do a damn good job.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

Wow! So vegging an extra 2 hrs and giving them a 4 hr rest instead of 6 hrs is really that much of a difference that you can mess up your crop? Cause 0 hours of reset didn't show any negative effects for me, so I assumed giving them that 4 hr rest wouldn't be all that difficult.


Papa-good on ya for working with long flowering sativas...im sure it's worth the wait! I'd love to see some pics of them, when ya get a chance.

You to AE, I know you just started your seedlings, but snap a few pics and post em please.

0 hours of rest will not necessarily show any obvious effects, but if you had compared your yield from 20/4 to 24/4, you would have seen that the extra 4 hours didn't give you any extra yield, or possibly so little that it wouldn't have been worth it. At times it can decrease yield a bit in fact.

Here's a photo. They're on the edge of showing nutrient deficiencies but that's deliberate since I'm trying to establish the lowest possible EC/ppm/TDS without the plants showing deficienies since less is more and this will increase yields in the end.

If you're wondering why they're droopy, that's because the photo was taken during lights off, when plants droop naturally.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

i hear great things for the flowering phase on having a hps on top of the plant and a MH lamp bellow the plant.
mates of mine have big success with hps on both top nd bottom but i hear that MH is successfull in draggin out extra resin via the blue spectrum in the final weeks of flowering!!

A combination of MH and HPS does work better over MH or HPS alone. The MH light doesn't need to be below though. Two lights at the top will work just as well, especially if you sog or scrog. The larger of the two lights should generally be the HPS though. So, for example, if you have two lights, one a 600W light and the other a 400W light, the 600W one should be the HPS and the 400W one should be the MH light. This works better in larger tents obviously and means you don't have to change the lights in veg and flowering.

Part of the reason it works so well is because of the overlap (see diagram). Plants in this region work very well indeed, although all parts get some overlap, despite what the diagram suggests.