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Pills circa 19xx Get all your pill nostalgia discussion done here

Oh that guy mashead wasn't he so clever........ anyway last night he came to me in a dream, or perhaps came on in me in a dream, who knows! Anyway there is some proper stupid people around on here who really do not have a clue or have very good memories, or even possibly know how to read. What has the education system come to these days? Tune in next week to find out!

But now for this weeks broadcast of the show.... Oh we forgot to tell you what we were going to be telling you this week apart from the fact we are telling you something!!

Well this week ladies and gentlemen and stupid people of the 3rd generation of internet users (who along with my grandma, haven't quite mastered the art of it yet) we are going to give you some information about what is going on here!!!

Ok first lets get a few things straight, whoever was talking about the mitsubishi article in mixmag.... you might want to go back and read it before quoting it to educate the masses.... because if you read closely it states that the mitsis arrived with the new spread use of PMK which was used as a global clampdown on Safrole happened in the mid to late nineties!

Now ten years later the same thing has happened to PMK which means people have actually started to go back to the Safrole method although it appears their distillations of Safrole out of starting materials aren't so great..... a lot of the MDMA/MDA around say around 10 years ago was from piperonal out of the back door of real companies meaning the grade of the piperonal was high, so the end product felt better and MDA was also more common as it's another easy route to MDA!

As for the people suggesting that the routes/techniques and whoevers grandma was looking after the precursors for a few weeks doesn't make a difference, well it clearly does otherwise why are people stating MDMA is not so good now. And it isn't as people struggle to adapt to the new methods or rather old methods that are a big more complicated than the mdp2p or piperonal route.

As for the MD/Speedy pills comments, around 10 years ago they did exist.... from what I gather pills were regularly tested to contain say 15 - 40mg of MDA on top of MDMA, MDEA wasn't too uncommon again added on top of MDMA. BZP was starting to appear, high quality Amphetamine was also another possibility aswell as rarer occasional experimental drugs such as MDOH and fenfluramine that people were obviously trying to create super pills with!

From more recent years....... the pink/green rolexes last year did not contain any mephedrone as I remember people suggesting. The rockstars/diamonds etc are just MDMA although of varying amounts in different batches and questionable purity..... but everyone loves impurities!


lalalalala I might post more things later if I can be bothered but how long before people start arguing about this anyway
 
when I used to munch mitsubishi's back in 99,2000 I'd trip hard from a couple and some weed. Visuals more intense than LSD visuals. I would say there was more than MDMA in them. Suspect MDA
 
I may be wrong here but is it not correct to say a high dose of MDMA turns into MDA in the body and that may go some way to explain the visuals if you have a few too many fizzers. I can remember people talking to themselves and allsorts when popping too many of the original Mitz. ;);) In terms of speedy pills this is also possible as tolerance increases although some pills have been tested and found to have amph in them. On the point of MDA I dont think many pills since the early 90's Snowballs have really shown up with much MDA.
 
there's been plenty of MDA pills since I started in 2002, none since the recent drought though but up until 2007/8 they were a common occurence. Used to specifically look out for them <3
 
As for the people suggesting that the routes/techniques and whoevers grandma was looking after the precursors for a few weeks doesn't make a difference, well it clearly does otherwise why are people stating MDMA is not so good now.

Never mind the Mixmag article, try reading the quote Evad posted properly; then you'll see that this question is addressed, and the answer is the same one I'd give. Basically, MDMA loses its 'magic' over time, plus you get used to its effects so it never grabs you the way it did the first few times.

It's as simple as that. Ann Shulgin lost the magic, and I'm sure she knew exactly how her product was synthesised...
 
I don't think people are ever going to agree over this. There's SHM and others in the 'early pills were better' corner, and others in the 'MDMA is MDMA' corner. I didn't have a pill back then, so I can't really comment, but it would make more sense that MDMA is MDMA. I know my first pill took me to another planet, and I can't imagine it possibly being any better. This was 2001.
 
Mine was 1999, and it made me actually feel some empathy with the metal kids in the Ritz on a Monday night.

Enough said... :)
 
I don't think people are ever going to agree over this. There's SHM and others in the 'early pills were better' corner, and others in the 'MDMA is MDMA' corner. I didn't have a pill back then, so I can't really comment, but it would make more sense that MDMA is MDMA. I know my first pill took me to another planet, and I can't imagine it possibly being any better. This was 2001.

my friend took 2 pink diamonds last week and this was the first time he ever took E, he wasnt that fucked up and deff not like i used to be in the early 90s when i first started taking them, he actually said he could of took more, also i wasnt chasing the buzz that i got the first few times taking E, i got the same buzz for years, even in the early 2000s, so thats 10 years, then suddenly just over the last while i havent been getting the same hit, tried blue and pink face books and pink diamonds, they are mdma but deff different from the good pills i used to take, just a thought, ive been taking E for over 20 years now.
 
my friend took 2 pink diamonds last week and this was the first time he ever took E, he wasnt that fucked up and deff not like i used to be in the early 90s when i first started taking them, he actually said he could of took more, also i wasnt chasing the buzz that i got the first few times taking E, i got the same buzz for years, even in the early 2000s, so thats 10 years, then suddenly just over the last while i havent been getting the same hit, tried blue and pink face books and pink diamonds, they are mdma but deff different from the good pills i used to take, just a thought, ive been taking E for over 20 years now.

well that is odd, were there any aggravating factors? was he pissed? What about SSRIs, Meph use or anything like that? It may have just been a shit setting.

I know the first time I did MDMA I didn't need hardly any to have a life changing experience, even started with half a pill! Might have been 50mg, t+2 50mg t+3 50mg. So the magic is just as much the experience as a whole surely -- when you feel you have made genuine, strong connections with loads of randomers who are enjoying the experience as much as you, it feeds back in and the results are exponentially stronger

What backs this up further is how MDMA users love being around first time users because they can feed off the buzz and rekindle some old magic themselves. So a lot of it has to be psychological. This season in Ibiza I had a pretty fucking magic experience like old times again...
 
Just had a quick look on ecstacy data trying to look for these very high dosed pills everyone has been talking about back then, it only really goes as far back as 1996, but it does seem like there are alot of adulterated pills, almost the same as today.

These are the first few ever recorded ones on E- Data

Apple 131mg - 96'

That was a lovely pill.
 
^Yeah, New Yorkers they used to be called round Coventry at that time, they broke a bad run of a couple of years of hit and miss pills, that was a fuckin great summer, met me wife and everything! <3
 
I remember asking a mate what he'd been up to at the weekend and him saying 'we got a load of excellent pills in, they were apples'.
'Any good?'
'Well, they killed Leah Betts, put it that way'.

Um, plur.
 
Yeah they were also called Mcintoshes in California that summer of 96.

First pills in a while that were actually worth it, before that there were decent stuff like " Lucky Charms" but Apples were way better.. usually I would just have a couple of 120mg's of powder, or maybe a doubleup for Moontribes, with a little GHB and Liquid as a side dish, but the Apples were really solid, clean, and fairly erm *energetic.* Virtually no comedown as well. and they mixed well with the aformentioned as well.

I dont recall the Mitsis arriving in California till about mid 98, but before then , for a short Brilliant summer of 96.. those Apples were amazing.
 
New Yorkers in 1990-91 were blanks, the size and shape of a generic aspirin.

Lovely pills.
 
my friend took 2 pink diamonds last week and this was the first time he ever took E, he wasnt that fucked up and deff not like i used to be in the early 90s when i first started taking them, he actually said he could of took more, also i wasnt chasing the buzz that i got the first few times taking E, i got the same buzz for years, even in the early 2000s, so thats 10 years, then suddenly just over the last while i havent been getting the same hit, tried blue and pink face books and pink diamonds, they are mdma but deff different from the good pills i used to take, just a thought, ive been taking E for over 20 years now.

Totally with you on this one, mate. There so is a difference in MDMA these days. Imean those recycles' effects varied wildly in comparison with the pink diamonds. Spoke to some Chemistry bod the other day and he said it was perfect ly possible that MDMA as a molecule could contain different chemical bonds. For example, H2O - water can also be made up as THO, totally different compunds ending up with the same substance. Or perhaps in this case those differences can be quite profound with regards to effects. I am absolutely certain the pills of today are a very different drug.
 
i have been around a lot of first time users this year (well, three to be specific) who've done some strong jills or md (green stars / brown crystal / sonics) who have not reached a state of euphoria or empathy at all comparable to what I and my friends were like when we first took ours year ago. [...]chatting with ease with random people [...]

Mate have you been clubbing lately? Only the other week I was @ Ministry waving my arms in the air with randomers just like old times... Plenty of loved up people

I am absolutely certain the pills of today are a very different drug.

I appreciate your scepticism but with a rational mind, what actually are the chances of that? Surely it would show on the regeant tests or GC/Mass Spec analysis. The pill scene is a competitive market place, if one maker thought that all the MDMA was "wrong" and could put out better pills with the "correct" molecule, it would have happened obviously! We don't have a situation now where some pills give consistently better dunt than others, rather people express displeasure with all pills in general. What does that tell you?
 
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