Have to keep base in a fridge for it to stay fresh.. myth?

[SOLARIUM]

I've heard so many times from loads of different people that you have to keep base in the fridge to keep it from turning into powder and staying in that pastey form. But to be honest, I don't think room temperature would make much difference to the form of it as long as it's kept in a few baggies.. I mean I'm pretty sure every ones heard of the stupid 'Keep Acid in the fridge' myth? (Before you say that ones true, I got 2 tabs around the beginning of the year, kept them in my draw & about 5-6 months later they still worked & actually got stronger, so that pushes that myth out of the equation)

So yeah pretty straightforward question, do you have to keep base in the fridge to stop it from turning into powder? Thanks. c:

 

[Jabberwocky]

are you talking amphetamine here or what? i can't see it a problem if it's turning into a powder?

here where we get methamphetamine base doing the rounds ocassionally you'll find most people storing it in the fridge more out of habit than anything. as an IVer it never bothered me that my base was too much of a goo so i was never meticulous making sure it was hardened for snorting convenience. the (properly cooked) harder chunks of base were an inconvenience being a needle user.

i'm going to move this over to basic drug discussion as it's general discussion more than anything.

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Amphetamine or methamphetamine to not go bad under any normal storage. Not that many people could keep them long without doing them anyway.

 

[SOLARIUM]

Ah sorry leftwing, was pretty sure I clicked 'amphetamines' as the prefix but guess I didn't. Yeah, it's about amphetamine.

Well 'cause I prefer to gum or literally just eat base the problem would be that if it turns into powder it would be a bit more difficult to do that.

 

[sHR00m]

much amphetamine is sold as "base" while it just is a mix of cutting agents with the usual amph salt and a solvent.worst thing that would happen is it dries out. making you lose money but would actually increase the quality. real base would evaporate slowly, so keeping it sealed seems like the best idea. (i really dont think theres much base around. its so easy to form salts.)

edit: sandoz had their acid-stash cooled with hydrogen. they surely didnt do that for no reason.
room temp + no light seems to be acceptable tho.

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Amphetamine freebase is an oil, unless you're making it you'll never see it in that form. Calling it base is marketing things, I'm assuming the OP is in europe, in the US I've never heard it called that, nor have I seen amphetamine (other than pills) sold since the PPA ban.

 

[SOLARIUM]

I know WHAT base is and WHAT happens if it dries out.. :L what I'm asking is do you have to keep it in the fridge to keep it in that form or is that just a myth and it will be fine in a few baggies in a draw?

I prefer speed as base as I don't particularly like snorting, I prefer to gum it.
And flyingsquirrel, not taking about freebase (Never even heard of freebase speed my self, sounds pretty insane). Base is like a liquid/gooey form of speed. Not completely solid, not completely liquid.. looks like chewing gum basically. Hard to explain if you've never seen it before haha.

Anyway, had my oz in my draw for about a week and it seemed fine, corners might of dried slightly but I think that was just where I was opening the bag.. it seems to 'sweet' in the baggy after a while and stay in it's form (seemed even a bit MORE liquid tbh).
So there's another myth out the bag. :L

 

[lewk]

In my experience, it's gooey because dealers add drops of water to it. For various reasons.. Increasing the weight, making it easier to handle because it clumps together nicely instead of being a free-flowing powder, and another reason could be that they like to follow on with the whole 'base' speed gooey liquid shit

But i believe some speed is made different to other speed (both methamphetamine and amphetamine) depending on how the cook goes about it.. and thus the end product may take a different form or appearance or even smell.

General consensus around here is that pure Amphetamine comes in a solid rock form that can be crushed and ends up as a white powder anyway, and as it goes down the line of dealers they add their drops of water and cut it with their Glucose or other powders and re-sell it, etc, etc, etc

So the speed you are buying and consuming is different all depending on the cook and his procedures, and also the multiple dealers handling it before it gets to you.

I live in Australia though, so it also depends on your location.. I could be totally wrong in your case, but this is just what i have experienced

EDIT:

To answer your question.. If it is infact gooey because the dealer has added a bit of water to it, then when you have it in the freezer it should freeze up and take on a rather crystal-ish appearance, and when taken out for a period of time should 'melt' and return to goo-ish.. If you've got it stored in an air-tight/no-light medium then it should remain a goo for a fair while.. if it's exposed to air/light then the moisture will evaporate and you will be left with a lighter (by weight), dry powder

 

[Feste]

(Before you say that ones true, I got 2 tabs around the beginning of the year, kept them in my draw & about 5-6 months later they still worked & actually got stronger, so that pushes that myth out of the equation)

Err, no.

Whilst LSD isn't as fragile as some claim, it's not going to get stronger. It's not going to magically make more out of this air sitting in a drawer.

 

[SOLARIUM]

Err, no.

Whilst LSD isn't as fragile as some claim, it's not going to get stronger. It's not going to magically make more out of this air sitting in a drawer.

Well I seemed to trip more than everyone & achieve pure ecstasy on half a tab when everyone who did a full didn't, seemed a bit odd.

No need to be a twat about it.

 

[Feste]

I wasn't being a twat.

As for the half tab vs. full, some just need a lower dose than others, some days even the same person needs differing amounts to get to the same point. health, stress, tiredness, food eaten, setting, & more make a massive difference.

 

[lewk]

In relation to my post above, i'm going to do some reagent tests on the various forms of speed going around my area. and I will alter my post accordingly, because it has occured to me at the moment people are passing off heavily cut Meth as 'base' and visa versa so i'ma clear some things up hopefully haha

 

[SOLARIUM]

I wasn't being a twat.

Alright then;

Whilst LSD isn't as fragile as some claim, it's not going to get stronger. It's not going to magically make more out of this air sitting in a drawer.

Bit sarcy? :L

And 'base' is just what they call sludge/paste speed (amphetamine, not methamphetamine) in the UK, just different terms mean different things. It is probably cut to shit yes haha, but it always seems better than the powdered stuff, most probably because that's been cut with glucose, hence the fact it's turned to powder. (in bold as this is just what I've heard happens from a few people, before someone jumps on me correcting what i said)

 

[antoni]

I've heard so many times from loads of different people that you have to keep base in the fridge to keep it from turning into powder and staying in that pastey form. But to be honest, I don't think room temperature would make much difference to the form of it as long as it's kept in a few baggies.. I mean I'm pretty sure every ones heard of the stupid 'Keep Acid in the fridge' myth? (Before you say that ones true, I got 2 tabs around the beginning of the year, kept them in my draw & about 5-6 months later they still worked & actually got stronger, so that pushes that myth out of the equation)

So yeah pretty straightforward question, do you have to keep base in the fridge to stop it from turning into powder? Thanks. c:

Although I have not tested the theory as you have, I would say keeping it cool and away from heat and light will help you keep the wet,putty like product that you want. I think people here are giving advice into the quality and the purity of base, the drying out affect will not change the purity of the drug. The simple reason cool controlled temp will help is because it is the moisture content in the mix that causes it to be the texture you need, simple chemistry tells you that a mix of air and heat dries a product out by removing the moisture and hence changing the product back to its powder form.
To prove this theory take two damp cloth's put one in the fridge and one in the sun or on a source of heat (a radiator) see which one dries out first.Most thing are preserved by the cold.
The link with purity is due to oils in the mix, hence people talk of plastic being damaged by base. Also a leaching affect, where the product seems to come through the plastic and removes the ink on bags used. The belief that drying it out into a powder makes it pure and more effective is also untrue, this comes from the fact that a snorted drug enters the blood almost immediately and has a more instant rush.
I hold a PHD in industrial chemistry and have many years of lab work behind me, although I have no knowledge other than the official study's and the theory work of these drugs, my answer of YES it will help is based on theory and the reaction of most chemicals and the reaction of moisture control to a cold environment and the obvious loss of moisture when heat is applied.

 

[Rob27shred]

Maybe whoever put the CID on the blotter didn't know what they doing & certain parts of the sheet had more CID on it than others. This is actually very common, I've had sheets that the potency was all over the place depending on what part of the sheet the CID came off of.

 

[xx001]

The European speed I have encountered included a pretty good amount of residual solvent in the mix that made in a gooey, paste like consistency. It is simply not worth the time of the producers or the dealers to fully dry out the product so they just sell it as-is. If you let it dry it should become a powder with properties depending on how pure it is and what cuts, if any, are included. As far as putting drugs in the fridge, lsd is a particularly unstable molecule compared to most other drugs and storing it at low temperatures (and away from oxygen, water, and light) will decrease the chance of degradation. However, amphetamine is a very stable compound and storing it in any special way isn't necessary.