Heroin Precip. WD from bupe: A permanent cure for dopesickness?

[lozgod]

I'd rather be laid up for 4 or 5 days than go through (4-24 hours in my experience) of PW. Been there, done that a couple of times. If I was going to use Suboxone I'd just wait out the 24 hours and use the lowest dose possible (for me 2mgs) to allow me to function slightly as a human being and spread an 8mg pill over 4 days. I just went through 5 days of sickness knowing someone owed me 10 30s and I managed to hustle up enough money for a bundle of dope. I got 2 bags of dope and 4 30s left. When they are gone I know I got nothing coming until at least the 3rd when I get my next unemployemnt check. SO I dealt with the 5 days of feeling like shit puking my guts out and saved the suboxone for when I run out (today or tomorrow) and help me get by for 4 days and with the half life I might get 5 out of it, then 2 days of being sick then I'm good on payday.

If I want to go out hard I got a bunch of 50mg Naltrexones. I tried 3mgs once 2 days in to withdrawal and thank God bupe has a stronger affinity to the receptors because that 3 mgs threw me in to a PW that was worse than bupe. Couldn't imagine if I did the whole 50mgs.

 

[gocards27]

The OP talks about quitting and becoming human again but still shoots up.

doesn't sound like someone in control or sound of mind.

anyways, I guess if you want to see if it works, try it.

 

[Bojangles69]

The OP talks about quitting and becoming human again but still shoots up.

doesn't sound like someone in control or sound of mind.

anyways, I guess if you want to see if it works, try it.

Lol have you ever heard of the word "addiction".
Shes not in control of her own mind cause opiate addiction is a medical illness.
No matter how hard she tries to be "human", her now depleted level of receptors will always tempt her back to using.

Its not because theres anything wrong with her, its because it takes a long fucking time for some people to be ridded of those impulses. Its not her causing them, its her brain. Do you blame a person with bipolar for always acting like they're out of control? No, you accept that they have a medical illness and try to help or go away. But sitting there telling them "you don't sound like you have control" is only likely to make them feel shame or guilt, and shame or guilt are the same misattributed emotions that often drive addicts to use.

She has no moral failing, shes changed her brain chemistry and is merely trying to deal with it in a way that will take her further from opiates. Not everyone can stop all at once, very few people actually can before they relapse. The idea is to use less and less as time goes by so its not so damn tramatic, and it sounds like thats exactly what shes doing.

 

[hydrochron]

Everyones different, there's thousands of "cures" out there, you just need to find one that works for you. Maybe some people think taking vitamin c and smoking weed cures there withdrawal and addiction lol..

But what your basically doing is accelerating the withdrawal. That's bringing on the peak of it pretty much instantly, there for it shouldn't last as long.

I think that using small amounts of opiates also can help for somone that's been using for a few years, just to balance out at first if that makes sense.

 

[smackncheese]

You can take lexapro, lyrica or a weak benzo, and even modafinil for the lethargy.

If I find out this works then I'd effectively be able to quit opiates any time I want really and just go straight on paws meds. For me it would almost be like I was never even on opiates... thats why I really really NEED to find out more about this. And if I DO find out this works, smackncheese is getting a nice fucking gift in the mail as far as I'm concerned.

Sweet!! I really hope this works for you, Bojangles. :D As for the PAWS, I've been smoking a bowl of White Rhino in the A.M. and one before winding down for bed, and it actually takes the edge off a lot. It's also been helping my body and mind to push myself to go through the motions of being a regular person, i.e. taking care of my health and body by taking vitamins, eating right, getting a good bit of exercise, etc. It's amazing, how many small steps such as these were left out of my daily routine when I was using a lot. Exercise has been a key player in my recovery process. Taking long walks in the hills has been a good energizer as well as de-stresser for me. It also seems to help with the leg discomfort a lot when they start getting restless.

As to your question about whether or not I am on subs, that's a no. I haven't taken any since the day I stopped. The way I see it, why take something I don't need, if they could possibly help someone else? The pills I have left will be given to my few remaining addicted friends when they feel like they are ready.

The OP talks about quitting and becoming human again but still shoots up. doesn't sound like someone in control or sound of mind.

^ Actually I don't shoot up anymore... But thanks for the support.

I've been doing good and really want to stay that way. I feel a lot more in control of my mind than I have for years. I'm not always a ray of sunshine these days, but the clouds are clearing each forward step I take.

was puking everything I drank and pissing out my ass every half hour. accidently let a little juice go in my pants while throwing up in a trashcan twice last night. embarrassing, but I know I'm not the only one this has happened to.

Ugh. Bodily functions are an unbearable son of an abomination, eh?

sounds like some shitty dope you were getting or you drew and extremely lucky straw. there's going to be next to noone with the same kind of experience around here. a lot of OD demographics are younger naive users first getting into opiates or those that have been using them for long(er) period of time. saying that there is a share of clean people but not anywhere near the number of current users or dependent users.

personally i find it hard to believe but i'm not discrediting you.

I find it hard to believe as well! Honestly, I didn't post this for a long time, or really share this news with anyone, because I almost didn't believe it myself. I know it sounds too good to be true. I didn't post this with the intention of telling everyone I 'found the magic cure.' Everyone's bodies and minds are different, and what worked for me may very well not work for most anyone else out there.. I'm just sayin' it worked for my boyfriend and me, plain and simple, and if someone else would like to try this (and can tolerate precipitated withdrawals without freaking out and doing something stupid, for harm reduction's sake!) then I would be curious to see the result. I used my boyfriend as sort of a test subject to see if these results had anything to them, and it seemed to do him okay as well, which gives me hope for other addicts that are ready to stop but can't stomach the sickness. Oh, and in reference to the comment about the dope I was using, I was getting powder Mexican brown.. so not the best shit on the planet, but certainly nothing too shabby, just FYI. My best guess is the lucky straw thing.

No matter what it was that actually caused this to happen, I'm just thanking my lucky stars not to have to wake up every morning writhing and aching and pleading with the heavenly powers of the Universe to send me a lucky break so I can be care-free and well that day. Not even more than a couple weeks ago, I was living under a tree/on the bleachers in a park/in an alley in freezing fucking cold Denver. It was dangerous as hell, especially for a girl. I'm lucky enough to have a friend that cares for me enough to let me crash on his floor right now, since I've proved to him I've gotten clean. In the 3 years I've been physically addicted to smack, I have lost literally everything and everyone I ever called mine.

Thanks for your support so far, BL. Opioid addiction is a real bitch. Had I known the half of it, I would have never come so far down this road. It's nice to know I'm just not alone...

or you are just brain dead

It's not dead.. I think it's just in hibernation!! *pokes cold lifeless brain with a stick*

 

[spaceyourbass]

I am disgusted at the few people who have written the OP off as full of shit in one way or another. Smackncheese is telling us her unexpected and amazing recovery method. There are no well-known facts about the effectiveness of a one-time bupe use for opiate addiction. This person is simply telling her story and encouraging other people to try.

I wonder if someone could do a precipitated withdrawal and force himself to sleep with diphen/ambien, etc shortly after. I encourage people to try this method with or without the sleeping pills, and post their results.

 

[smackncheese]

I am disgusted at the few people who have written the OP off as full of shit in one way or another. Smackncheese is telling us her unexpected and amazing recovery method. There are no well-known facts about the effectiveness of a one-time bupe use for opiate addiction. This person is simply telling her story and encouraging other people to try.

I wonder if someone could do a precipitated withdrawal and force himself to sleep with diphen/ambien, etc shortly after. I encourage people to try this method with or without the sleeping pills, and post their results.

Thank you

It's been the miracle I've been yearning for since day one.

I personally didn't take any sleeping pills, but I did this around 10 at night and was able to sleep by 3 am. I slept a little fitfully at first but gradually got better. I didn't even get up until noon the next day. It was nice.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I wonder if someone could do a precipitated withdrawal and force himself to sleep with diphen/ambien, etc shortly after. I encourage people to try this method with or without the sleeping pills, and post their results.

i don't advise, especially to those on a larger habit as it would be sheer helol and torment, setting up for almost assured failure. i'd advise a taper otherwise relapse is pretty much certain.

never have i heard of anyone else getting away with such an easy hand, it's just not the norm and will never be plain and simple.

 

[SkagKush]

agreed, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[lozgod]

I am disgusted at the few people who have written the OP off as full of shit in one way or another. Smackncheese is telling us her unexpected and amazing recovery method. There are no well-known facts about the effectiveness of a one-time bupe use for opiate addiction. This person is simply telling her story and encouraging other people to try.

I wonder if someone could do a precipitated withdrawal and force himself to sleep with diphen/ambien, etc shortly after. I encourage people to try this method with or without the sleeping pills, and post their results.

I see your point but there's another side to the story. For anyone who never experienced precipitated withdrawals it makes dope sickness look like a walk in the park. It may work, it may not but this method should come with an EXTREME cautionary warning.

PW comes with projectile vomitting, shitting yourself if you are not immediately close to the toilet when the moment strikes you, RLS and RAS (restless arm syndrome) that is freakish, it is pretty much a weeks worth of withdrawal all wrapped in to a few hours. It is intense as withdrawal gets.

 

[smackncheese]

^^ Yes.. it's definitely the most unpleasant feeling in the world. Your body goes totally haywire. I got so pale I looked a moment away from death, and I puked so hard I blew out my throat and couldn't stop coughing. As awful as it is, though, you're able to sleep comfortably when all is said and done, which I think makes such a huge difference and, frankly, makes it worth the while.

 

[lozgod]

^^ Yes.. it's definitely the most unpleasant feeling in the world. Your body goes totally haywire. I got so pale I looked a moment away from death, and I puked so hard I blew out my throat and couldn't stop coughing. As awful as it is, though, you're able to sleep comfortably when all is said and done, which I think makes such a huge difference and, frankly, makes it worth the while.

I will agree with you there. After it is all done you are so exhausted and sleep better than you did probably since before you ever used. The projectile vomitting is some crazy shit. It is like jet propelled. And what really sucks is you have the runs like crazy at the same time. So you need to be on the toilet and have a place to throw up at the same time. I sat on the toilet doing #2 and threw up in the bath tub for about an hour straight.

 

[smackncheese]

^^ Jet propelled sounds about right. I read a lot of stuff about precip. wd before I did this, so I made sure I not only did the shot on the toilet but also had a barf bucket handy!

I really wish I could just do this today and get it over with. I'm on day 3, and the no-sleep thing is killing me. I had a bit of suboxone left the other day, but unfortunately when I got arrested the other day they took my bag with my half a pill, my fentanyl, and my dope. :/

 

[lozgod]

^^ Jet propelled sounds about right. I read a lot of stuff about precip. wd before I did this, so I made sure I not only did the shot on the toilet but also had a barf bucket handy!

I really wish I could just do this today and get it over with. I'm on day 3, and the no-sleep thing is killing me. I had a bit of suboxone left the other day, but unfortunately when I got arrested the other day they took my bag with my half a pill, my fentanyl, and my dope. :/

Hang in there. It doesn't seem like it is ever going to end but it does.

 

[adder]

It's all great but this story is totally different than rapid detox method with naltrexone. A person addicted is anesthetized before the process of injection of naltrexone. It's all supposed to last no more than 12 hours. Why are some additive drugs used? Because even not precipitated withdrawal can be deadly if addiction is high. So imagine two weeks of withdrawal consolidated into 12 hours - now that can be deadly too without medical assistance.

Moreover, there's no such a thing as feeling no urge to take after, let's say, 2 months after rapid detox and being clean. This method is most often carried out with later usage of opioid blockers, i.e. naltrexone is continued but it doesn't cause withdrawal anymore of course, it's either taken as pills or a patch is sewed in that provides a naltrexone release for a month or 2 months. This prevents any euphoria, rush, sedation etc. from taking opioid agonists. Some quacks even state naltrexone becomes a very weak agonist making people not want to do opioids which is bullshit. I wouldn't call taking blockers healthy, imagine they stay bond to receptors like "guards" and even endogenous opioids cannot act - this doesn't lead to bringing back homeostasis.

And concerning OP magical recovery - withdrawals are mostly mental. Yes, physical effects are painful but in most cases they're not deadly. What makes addicts not overcome withdrawal is serious mind-fuck. You hear your heart beating faster, you think about it and suddenly it starts to beat even faster. You feel something is going on in your intestines, you think about diarrhea, whoa, you get a nasty diarrhea. You think about how your legs are restless, you start to feel they're restless even more. That's how it works and with the speed of this phenomenon it drives itself insanely fast.

 

[dankstersauce]

I forget if I posted in here or not, but I did this accidentally once and it didn't work for me. IME I was using poppy pods and sniffed 4mgs of bupe and got sick as fuck for 2 hours. Think like a salvia trip from hell (like hallucinating, sweating, dopesickness x10)...and I was at work lol.

But on the other hand when I OD'ed on heroin and phenazepam and woke up in the hospital. They had given me narcan (with a mini turkey baster looking thing up my nose) and the doctor was all shocked that I wasn't dopesick. From what the doctor said it sounded like he thought I should be done with withdrawals because of the narcan. So maybe this has some validity. But for my particular case the narcan had just wore off and when I awoke in the hospital I was still high.

So I think if you are on a high dose or something like poppies I have a feeling the opiates will remain in your system. I definitely don't think I would recommend precipitated withdrawals for any reason.