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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards

A3A 1,5-Methano-1H-3-benzazepine,2,3,4,5-tetrahydro-, hydrochloride)

i will be trying when ive got my cash in , a lot of these new rc's that these certain few vendors are selling have been crap so far but hey the last meth involved drug was pretty darn ace :)
 
Other compounds with similar structures have anti-dopaminergic activities typical of antipsychotic drugs. If you do choose to sample this then my money's on it being non-recreational. One patent I read states the dose is somewhere between 0.07mg and 70mg.
 
OK, curiousity got the better of me and I ordered some A3A. This is the latest product from Eric Chang/CEC, although not given an Eric" or "NRG" increment. They just refer to it as "A3":



I can confirm it is active and potent. My first reaction was "this one is going to be big, it is very pleasant indeed" - at first.

But it has big problems.... The come-up is SLOW, it takes a good 45 minutes, even when insufflated and then plugged, as I did. The plugging was necessary because insufflation was unpleasant and painful. When nothing happens within the time you expect effects, say 30 minutes after insufflating, you redose - in the belief that you are stim-tolerant and/or the chemical is inactive. Then suddenly comes a wave of energy and euphoria - not unlike meph - but not as warm. That said, it is still nice - full body orgasms, that kind of thing.

However, the euphoria lasts all too short a time (I had around an hour), followed by sudden MASSIVE vasoconstriction (worse than MDPV), anxiety and tachycardia. I am currently sweating buckets with a heart rate of 145, and I am hoping it will start to wear off shortly. I have downed 1g of L-arginine, and 500mg ginko biloba, as mild vasodilators, in an attempt to get some blood back in my extremeties.

I'll post the comedown as it goes. At the moment, I am having a mild panic attack. I had 350mg. I disregarded the "no more than 100mg or your plants will not be happy" warning as I am 90kg and am stim tolerant, (could do 500mg MPDV over 24 hours and manage the comedown). Also, crucially, I perceived the chemical to be inactive at first due to the extended come-up. I dread to even think what would happen if I had railed a couple of huge 250mg lines, had no tolerance, and was unable to sit down to alleviate the tightness in the chest and dizziness from lack of oxygen to the brain.

Please don't do more than 100mg - and then wait for a long time...

I genuinely predict this one - "methano" as it appears to be nicknamed - will make the media, no doubt under the monicker woof woof or quack bloody quack or something, and there could even possibly be deaths, the vasoconstricton is brutal. Certainly, A&E all over country will be filled with heart-pounding paranoid maniacs.

EDIT: Now T+5 hours: Heart rate still uncomfortably high, but off the danger level. Anxiety still present, comes in waves then is clearable with a deep breath. Just took a phone call and voice was faltering. Pupils like saucers. Knob is an acorn.
EDIT: Despite this discomfort, I can predict I will do this again.. There is no craving for redose at all, once the effects have passed, perhaps down to the discomfort. With the benefit of some tolerance and a measured dose, and planned time allowance this might prove useful.
EDIT: T+15 hours: Still got purple feet and fingers...heart rate raised, pupils dilated, have to whisper since the vasoconstriction appears to affect the vocal chords/larynx. Also, whispering hides the faltering voice due to the continued anxiety. Losing enthusiasm now.
EDIT: T+20 hours: Finally receding back to baseline, but still with residual anxiety. Have revised my opinion about re-trying this RC. I'm never going near it ever again. The up simply isn't worth the down.
EDIT: T+48 hours: I still have a lingering anxiety, and hesitate/stutter when starting sentences. Please avoid this unpleasant chemical.

In summary, this is a highly active chemical - when it's nice, it's lovely, but when it's down it's the worst.. This chemical will prove problematic for some, I can only hope not for me.

EDIT: I did this on Thursday at 6pm. It is now Sunday at 11:15am. I am still having heart palpitations, unable to speak in a constant, measured manner without appearing nervous, unable to focus, and am still vasoconstricted. Please don't ingest this chemical.
EDIT: Now Tuesday - 6 days since ingestion - and I finally bit the bullet and went to see my doctor, since my heart rate has slowed to normal, but cannot regulate itself. When climbing stairs or running, my heart rate does not increase and I am fatigued in seconds. I told my doctor I ingested "at a party" and I didn't exactly know the name of the chem, which although sounding stupid, didn't sound as bad as "I am a complete fuckwit - I tried something untested which only the seller recommended". The doctor obviously could not predict the full outcome, but suggested that my cardio system may have been corrupted by days of "random chemistry", but said it would be unlikely that the damage would be permanent because of the adaptability of the system. He also prescribed me some beta blockers, which have helped a great deal with the anxiety. He also told me I was an idiot, and I had to agree with him - the only thing I learned is that I'm not playing this game again.
 
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This smells very strongly of vendors selling rebranded meph under a fancy name. Someone with access to J. Med Chem. should look up the paper on synthesis and activity of this compound - and perhaps on the paper which introduced varenicicline as a nicotinic partial agonist.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jm00190a020

I would refrain from putting things up your nose/mouth/butt without knowledge of what they're supposed to do, especially when you take 3 times the "dose". Can't be good for you.
 
sekio said:
This smells very strongly of vendors selling rebranded meph under a fancy name. Someone with access to J. Med Chem. should look up the paper on synthesis and activity of this compound - and perhaps on the paper which introduced varenicicline as a nicotinic partial agonist.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jm00190a020

I would refrain from putting things up your nose/mouth/butt without knowledge of what they're supposed to do, especially when you take 3 times the "dose". Can't be good for you.
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It's not "rebranded meph". The profile of its effects are diffferent, it looks and tastes different, and the comedown from meph was a doddle compared to this one.

And as for taking three times the dose, yes, that was most definitely a mistake I have learned from. Although the slow come-up did catch me out.
 
google gives only this thread and a couple of vendors of whatever the fuck this shit is. I don't have a clue, and my knowledge of chemistry (granted self taught) is usually suficient to translate a chemical name into something that the layman can understand. Not in this case.

Perhaps the mods could move this to ADD, I'm sure someone there could shed some light on what it is.

IN THE MEANTIME QUIT EATING COMPLETLY UNKNOWN CHEMICALS
 
It's simple...i wont be doing anymore chemicals, known or unknown ever again.
 
This ones a nasty piece of work.

I know about 10 people that dropped 200mg, consumed up to 350mg and were up for days.

Eric states this one is the "same dosage as mephedrone" ... WRONG!

Not even close.

Five days of adrenaline fueled tiredness and weakness, panic attacks, psychosis, vasoconstriction, headaches, blurry vision, loss of appetite, loss of cognitive brain function and more.

Five people ended up in A&E, no major problems after heart tests ... but no ones heart shouldn't be beating irregularly at 100 - 140bpm for 4 - 5 days straight.

Vasoconstriction is about 10 times worse than Mephedrone. Even with Ginko supplements and regular exercise it took some people up to a week, maybe longer to relieve purple areas, cold hands, cold feet, headaches and tunnel vision from lack of circulation to the BRAIN and a major case of "pilly willy".

I would avoid drinking or taking ANY other substances for a couple of weeks at least after this one, you can literally FEEL the liver damage. You will need to dose on Milk Thistle liver detox supplements for a couple of weeks. Just to get some normality to body function again. Lots of healthy food.

A couple of people had constant pains or strange feelings under their right ribs, then left ribs. So there's more than one thing going on here organ wise.

Pressure between the eye browns and tunnel / blurry vision was a strange side effect that lasted some people over 7 days. Serious lack of concentration for up to 10 days, remedied by some natural brain pills and piracetam supplements.

You will need to make sure you eat PROPERLY and exercise REGULARLY (light cardio) to help recovery. Protein shakes are great for when you struggle to eat the next couple of days. Drink plenty of fluids, lots of fruit.

CRANBERRIES would be wise to eat at this stage. No one knows if this chemical is full of cardiogens, but it certainly feels like it. Cranberries are one of the best tumor and cancer fighting foods for the head, neck and prostate you can possibly get.

Not trying to send anyone into a panic here, but I know a few people that took this unknown chemical and built themselves into a panic over a few nights of not being able to sleep, as the only information available at the time (literally 3 weeks ago) was on ERICs website, which claimed dosage was the SAME as mephedrone. Felt more like MDPV or NRG-1 so everyone started researching into MDPV, 2DPMP, NRG-1 over dosages ... and consuming 200+mg of either of these chems will result in pretty horrible come downs. Nothing compares with A3 however.

Valium did very little to curb anxiety, Zopiclones only helped for a couple of hours on the 2nd or 3rd night. You bassically have to ride this one out.

Someone managed to get hold of Eric during this 5 day ordeal, and told him the effects of A3 ... he said 200mg was too much. 50mg is the dose, and then quoted some English bloke that told him it was similar to Mephedrone.

This is a scary situation. The manufacturer doesn't even know the intimate details, effects and remedies of the chemical he is selling. Offered zero advice on how to bring an end to this nightmare ... simply said, 5 - 7 days.

If you are a vendor, customer, wholesaler, retailer, manufacturer or a researcher ... don't let anyone you know take this chemical. Feels like someone could die from this chemical if taken in excess.

The people that tried this chemical, had a strong support group to keep everyone informed, grounded, calm and in good spirit. But the people that didn't ended up feeling very psychotic, lonely, confused and depressed for days.

If you have taken too much of this chemical and are feeling like this, phone a friend and do the above.

STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM A3

NEO LHF
 
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