Opioids Is there something wrong with my brain?

[GottaCatchEmAll]

Background real quick, I have an extremely high tolerance for painkillers of any kind the ones I've tried are: Oxy 80's, Norco 10's, and Dilaudids. I've railed in upwards of 180mg of oxy pre-loading with tagamet and combining with sodium bicarbonate/cyclobenzaprine to potentiate the effects.

I think I might have depression or something (the cause I have no idea I'm not a downer at all in fact I'm pretty lively). I say this because I am ALWAYS tired and ALWAYS sore like I've just run a marathon from the time I get up until the time I go to bed.

I rarely do opiates because I enjoy them so much and it takes so much to get me high that I'd bankrupt myself if I overindulged. I notice though when I take opiates the next day I can actually wake up with no problems! It's like a miracle cure for my zombie-like brain-fogged mornings. I usually have such a hard time waking up it's so bad I've screwed up my school and my jobs. And even when I do manage to wake up on time I'm literally a useless zombie for hours and no amount of coffee will wake me. I had to go fake the ADD symptoms to get uppers and I still fall asleep on them. I take 60mgs of adderall when my alarm goes off then FALL BACK ASLEEP and usually I can then drag myself to a cold shower.

My Question: Why do opiates completely eliminate this? I want to tell my doctor but if he thinks I've been doing narcotics w/o a script he'll stop my adderall scripts and then I'll really be screwed.

I feel like I might actually be able to achieve some shit in my life if I could get a script for painlkillers.

Any advice is appreciated before I'm forced to drop out of school and start panhandling.

 

[logie]

I know how you feel..


http://www.prohibitionkills.blogspot.com/ is something that was spot on for me but I was too scared to go to my dr about it.

 

[GottaCatchEmAll]

I know how you feel..


http://www.prohibitionkills.blogspot.com/ is something that was spot on for me but I was too scared to go to my dr about it.

Yah I was looking over that but I don't have a few of those symptoms, like my motor coordination are spot-on I learned to walk at an abnormally young age and I've played sports (Well) my whole life. I am a narcissistic antisocial though but that wouldn't explain the endorphins curing my comatose.

 

[Bojangles69]

You asked "why do opiates do this" and I will tell you because YOU ABUSE THEM.

You said in the first sentence "I have an extremely high tolerance" to some rather powerful opiates, then later said "I rarely do opiates". I'll be the first to say that makes no sense whatsoever. If you rarely do opiates, you would have a very low tolerance.

The only way you can have an "extremely high tolerance" is if you are doing them everyday. This is simple neurochemistry/science.

You always feel tired/achey because those are symtpoms of the fact that you haven't allowed your brain to snap back to normal. If you are unable to abstain for opiates for at least a year, you will prob experience those symptoms for many months to come even being off the opiates 100%. Its called "paws".
The only way to fix paws is by abstinence, yet abstinence creates a ton of stress cause like you said you're always tired, achey, and overreacting to stress.

If you don't stop opiates, and I mean COMPLETELY stop, for as long as you are not on them for these short intervals (I'm assuming you only go a few weeks a most in between dosing who knows) you will always feel shitty like that. Thats the price you pay for abusing opiates in the first place.

The way out of this is completely abstinence for the long term, not short term. If you can't do that, and are always periodically dabbing in them, you will never really feel 100%. And you wrote "if I can achieve a script I might be productive" or w/e. Please thats complete bs. Almost nobody stays on opiates everyday for their entire life. And at some point you will have to get off that script and will be MORE TIRED, MORE ACHEY, MORE DEPRESSED, and MORE ANXIOUS.

Stop abusing opiates now while your habit is still allegedly under control. Give yourself at least 6 months of them completely, and you won't feel tired/achey like that anymore.

 

[GottaCatchEmAll]

You asked "why do opiates do this" and I will tell you because YOU ABUSE THEM.

You said in the first sentence "I have an extremely high tolerance" to some rather powerful opiates, then later said "I rarely do opiates". I'll be the first to say that makes no sense whatsoever. If you rarely do opiates, you would have a very low tolerance.

The only way you can have an "extremely high tolerance" is if you are doing them everyday. This is simple neurochemistry/science.

You always feel tired/achey because those are symtpoms of the fact that you haven't allowed your brain to snap back to normal. If you are unable to abstain for opiates for at least a year, you will prob experience those symptoms for many months to come even being off the opiates 100%. Its called "paws".
The only way to fix paws is by abstinence, yet abstinence creates a ton of stress cause like you said you're always tired, achey, and overreacting to stress.

If you don't stop opiates, and I mean COMPLETELY stop, for as long as you are not on them for these short intervals (I'm assuming you only go a few weeks a most in between dosing who knows) you will always feel shitty like that. Thats the price you pay for abusing opiates in the first place.

The way out of this is completely abstinence for the long term, not short term. If you can't do that, and are always periodically dabbing in them, you will never really feel 100%. And you wrote "if I can achieve a script I might be productive" or w/e. Please thats complete bs. Almost nobody stays on opiates everyday for their entire life. And at some point you will have to get off that script and will be MORE TIRED, MORE ACHEY, MORE DEPRESSED, and MORE ANXIOUS.

Stop abusing opiates now while your habit is still allegedly under control. Give yourself at least 6 months of them completely, and you won't feel tired/achey like that anymore.

Wow you saw right through my lies Dr. Bojangles, what a genius!

No you're just an idiot.. I get a nice paycheck once a month and usually do drop either 150 mg hydrocodone (CWF) or 160 mg oxycodone in a single day, on holiday parties, about once a month or every other month, and I'm not strung out at all in fact I'm perfectly functional. Since you obviously don't know shit about my body chemistry or the fact that people can have naturally high tolerances to things I'm gonna disregard your flame post in its entirety. If you wanna spam your nonsense do it in someone else's thread because I'm trying to get opinions on something that has been plaguing me for years, not your dumbass opinion on what you think I do with my free time.

EDIT: The reason I'm posting this now is because I usually get 2 80's but this month I could only get a 30 and I popped that barely got a buzz and the next day I actually woke up feeling alert instead of my usual sluggish crappy state. I had energy all day and this lasted for a few days and now I'm back to fighting to wake up and have energy throughout the day. I don't have withdraw symptoms at all and I don't think I would NOT withdraw for a few days after I drop and then I would only have the fatigue symptoms of withdraw all the time, I've been like this since way before I started opiates, these are a fairly new treat for me. I'm starting to look into sleep apnea as I'm thinking maybe the respiratory depressing effects maybe had some beneficial effect on my ability to get deep sleep

 

[Bojangles69]

Removed... Stop it with the insults guys, keep it on topic

You CAN have a "high natural tolerance" but its still NOTHING like the tolerance you develop from using.
My point was the more you use the higher your tolerance will get, so don't fucking use more moron.

Now, while you are busy crying about your depression, and how opiates "eliminate your brain fog" you are sounding dumber by the minute.

So let me get this straight, the once a month that you actually use opiates, you ALWAYS use them first thing in the morning when you have a brain fog? That again makes no sense. If you're using opiates at parties/for holidays you're likely not using them the second you wake up (unless you're a fucking drug addict, thus my interpretation).

I didn't flame you once untill your rude ass wanted to play it like your a fucking knowitall.
When someone says something wrong you merely correct them, I never flamed you in your post, you did, get that straight you pos.

HOW ABOUT, you go see a doctor? And stop putting your obviously unstable mental health in the hands of a forum full of people using drugs like you are. Did that logical thought ever pass your mind?
Opiates give you ENERGY, thats why your brain fog dissappears, huge mystery right? Go read a book about opiates and maybe you won't think that more experienced people like us need to hand feed you everything.

edit: in response to your edit about how 30mg gave you energy you are merely associating shit that doesn't matter. Focus on your shitty sleep hygeine which is more likely to account for you always being tired than some mysterious chemical imbalance. Behavoir changes brain chemistry. What do you plan on doing using opiates everyday to wake up? And then you tell us you're not a drug addict or are "functional" or w/e... what a bunch of bs. "Something is wrong with my brain"... I'd have to agree but just not in the way you think I'm agreeing. Try a cup of coffe next time like normal people... not oxy before you go to bed or after or however the hell you think it works best for you.

 

[dokomo]

Wow, I am really glad to have read that link. Very interesting, especially the low dose naltrexone part.

And in the OPs defense, I too take opioids literally ONCE (as in one single dose) a month and have for years. My tolerance is 75mg of oxycodone IR and 30mg hydrocodone ER combined, so tolerance definitely can build with even once a month usage.

 

[Bojangles69]

You would assume (I'm trying to act domesticated now for the sake of science) that people with ridiculously high natural opiate tolerances would prob be the same people who fit into this boat? Right?

Cause if you don't have a deficiency, then you should get fairly high off low amounts of opoids?
If you do have an endogenous opiate defficiency, than you'e likely to need ridiculous amounts like the op to get high?

This is weird, I hadn't read that link before but it would have changed the way I responded in general even though I likely still would have flamed the OP for is overreacting to what I said. But I definitely feel bad now after reading it lol.

But that link WAS more than interesting for me to read. It has to be quite the slippery slope however because people who are merely prescribed pain killers could potentially develop EDS over the course of years? This would change up a lot of shit that I don't think drs are prepared to deal with.

But for your own health I would imagine its important to know.
In all honesty I've had a *slightly high natural tolerance to opiates my entire life, and this really just blew my mind. Its not insanely high like the OP, but amounts that get me high are usually a good degree higher than most people I know.

And this really just scared the fuck out of me. I don't think I would have an extreme case, but I definitely believe I have a moderate case of EDS. I will likely be thinking about that link for weeks to come...

 

[homeydontplaythat]

yes

 

[iceicebaby]

That link was AMAZING. I am truly glad I read that. I myself have little to no opiate experience, having chipped heroin a little bit (stopped after a bag cut with fent killed a friend with a 6 bag per day habit). So I have no tolerance whatsoever. That link was for sure eyeopening and very interesting!

 

[JimmyCocks]

Wow, Not sure if more has been discussed about this but I'd be interested to see more current information on this subject.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

for a start anyone who says the op's link is 'awesome' needs to realise its just a sales pitch for 'dr Bingbongs system' or whatever. however, its true that at first opiates are motivating & are the best antidepressants out, but this doesn't last. I often used to think perhaps I had an endorphin deficiency because I used to suffer from social anxiety disorder & depression and self medicated with first speed then opiates. The wife was abused &

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

prescribed ssris etc. but nothing worked until she got on heroin. therefore I believe opiates are overlooked for their antidepressant potential but their stimulating & motivating ability only lasts throughout the honeymoon period.

 

[jamesBrown]

prescribed ssris etc. but nothing worked until she got on heroin. therefore I believe opiates are overlooked for their antidepressant potential but their stimulating & motivating ability only lasts throughout the honeymoon period.

I think many opiates are like that...how there stimulating and motivating effects only last through the "honeymoon" phase....but I know from personal experience that you can use suboxone(low dose under 2mg's) daily, and get energy, motivation, and even mild euphoria....and it doesnt go away. Atleast it didnt go away one bit for me the months and months that I was on the medication. Allthough, there are always risks to a situation like this and it would have to be monitered by a doctor that actually knows what hes doing as far as keeping the patient on a very low dose etc..

 

[CitioKid]

I think many opiates are like that...how there stimulating and motivating effects only last through the "honeymoon" phase....but I know from personal experience that you can use suboxone(low dose under 2mg's) daily, and get energy, motivation, and even mild euphoria....and it doesnt go away. Atleast it didnt go away one bit for me the months and months that I was on the medication. Allthough, there are always risks to a situation like this and it would have to be monitered by a doctor that actually knows what hes doing as far as keeping the patient on a very low dose etc..

So I am assuming you are saying you are now off suboxone. Why did you stop taking it if it has all those benefits?

 

[Ksa]

1) get medical insurance
2) go see a psychiatrist
3) get treated with 30mg dextroamphetamine extended release morning dose.

Painkillers is not the answer. They may be downers but they do help your suspected narcolepsy. Myself when I take codeine I can hardly sleep at night. So no, even if painkillers wake you up, it's wrong. You have to use the right substances and they are called amphetamines.

 

[dokomo]

for a start anyone who says the op's link is 'awesome' needs to realise its just a sales pitch for 'dr Bingbongs system' or whatever.

It's not, actually. It mentions a "Dr. Bihari" who has done research with LDN. LDN is simply low-dose naltrexone, it's not any type of patented system or anything--any doctor could prescribe this and as it's not a narcotic, it would probably be something most doctors would consider.

 

[dokomo]

1) get medical insurance
2) go see a psychiatrist
3) get treated with 30mg dextroamphetamine extended release morning dose.

Painkillers is not the answer. They may be downers but they do help your suspected narcolepsy. Myself when I take codeine I can hardly sleep at night. So no, even if painkillers wake you up, it's wrong. You have to use the right substances and they are called amphetamines.

Did the OP ever say he had suspected narcolepsy? And I wouldn't recommend amphetamines for this purpose either, at least without first trying modafinil. Just my own personal take on it.

 

[Ksa]

Did the OP ever say he had suspected narcolepsy? And I wouldn't recommend amphetamines for this purpose either, at least without first trying modafinil. Just my own personal take on it.

Do you often take medicine with an S atom in its structure or do you just recommend it to other people? ^.^

 

[Ksa]

Here's a little insight:


MODAFINIL adverse effects:

In 2007, the FDA ordered Cephalon to modify the Provigil leaflet in bold-face print of several serious and potentially fatal conditions attributed to modafinil use, including TEN, DRESS syndrome, and Stevens-Johnson Syndrome (SJS).

The long term safety and effectiveness of modafinil has not been determined.[63]

Modafinil may have an adverse effect on hormonal contraceptives, lasting for a month after cessation of dosage.[64] Modafinil toxicity levels vary widely among species. In mice and rats, the median lethal dose LD50 of modafinil is approximately or slightly greater than 1250 mg/kg. Oral LD50 values reported for rats range from 1000 mg/kg to 3400 mg/kg. Intravenous LD50 for dogs is 300 mg/kg. In clinical trials on humans, taking up to 1200 mg/day for 7 to 21 days or one-time doses up to 4500 mg did not appear to cause life-threatening effects, although a number of adverse experiences were observed, including excitation or agitation, insomnia, anxiety, irritability, aggressiveness, confusion, nervousness, tremor, palpitations, sleep disturbances, nausea, and diarrhea. As of 2004, FDA is not aware of any fatal overdoses involving modafinil alone (as opposed to multiple drugs, including modafinil).[65] Consequently, oral LD50 of modafinil in humans is not known exactly. However, it appears to be higher than oral LD50 of caffeine. Basti and Jouvet (1988) describe a suicide attempt using 4500 mg of modafinil; the patient survived with no long-term effects but temporary nervousness, nausea, and insomnia.[66]

DEXTROAMPHETAMINE adverse effects:

None.