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[DMT Subthread] Entity / Alien / Machine Elf Contact

The DMT entity you encounter is actually the manifestation of your inner Anima. You're meeting your own inner Dreamweaver, so to speak.

People that don't meet her (I call her Maya, in reference to the Hindu tradition), usually don't because their left-brain is insisting that she doesn't exist, as it is characteristic of your leftbrain to do. That is to say, your left brain exists pragmatically to block your organistic features from knowing that the very animating principle of the Universe was actually inside you, was actually all that you are.
 
Have there been any objective studies of the visions that are induced by DMT? By that I mean using subjects from a wide range of nationalities, cultures, beliefs etc. I would imagine that most people taking DMT will likely come from a fairly restricted demographic leading to the possibility that cultural factors, and their expectations and a degree of auto-suggestion might have an influence upon the visions that a DMT user has (and certainly how they interpret them).

It would be interesting to learn how, say, a Masai tribesman, an Inuit, or an Aboriginal Australian describes and interprets such an experience.
 
enties as in defined "elves2 and the like have passed me by - no doubts they think " eek fuck that run from this fucker2 - however a powerful presence is always apparent which can communicate - i like to tend to think it is my subconscious which no doubt can manifest in a number of ways. Common cultural backgrounds lends some weight to the argument put forward by Mr Wobble - tho admittedly as ever i skimmed the entire thread in a fraction of a nanosecond.


i have seen a faery tho - seriously - DOM
 
The DMT entity you encounter is actually the manifestation of your inner Anima. You're meeting your own inner Dreamweaver, so to speak.
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Funny how the anima can appear in so many different ways... and appear so startingly alien and "other"... if it is your OWN anima, then what accounts for the "death by astonishment" factor?

It would be interesting to learn how, say, a Masai tribesman, an Inuit, or an Aboriginal Australian describes and interprets such an experience.
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Australian aboriginals do take DMT... traditionally... but that knowledge is restricted to parts of the country where these initiations still take place (not too many places) This is not in any official literature by the way as they generally keep pretty quiet about this.

However, one man told me that he entered the earth's crystalline grid as a cosmic force that powered through the landscape in an experience of union with the landscape. So that's a very different type of experience that most western people have which is more "vertical" and "up" - it suggests they use the tryptamines to go into the earth, to connect with the land. That's a visceral, spiritual experience which would I imagine be the expected outcome. Again, it is hard to probe, and they are generally very taciturn about it.

The idea to them that is all just occuring in the brain and symptomatic of brain processes, would not really conceivable to them as Spirit for them is non-locational... tell that to the shamans in South America and they'd just laugh at you.

A friend of mine used to give largely homeless Australian aboriginals smoked DMT... I remember one of the reports where one guy met these very dark beings, which really scared him. They told him that as dark and scary as they appeared, they were actually protecting him from other beings who were a lot more malevolent!


Julian.
 
I suppose that the difference is that 'logic' as we see it is subjective and open to change, whereas in reality it is absolute. I used to be on the fence about whether psychedelic experiences really did have any semblance of realism or basis in our reality, I wanted it to be true but I saw it as a logical fallacy. Then I did salvia, not for the first time, and my idea of logic was completely flipped. And I'm entirely sure that it could be flipped in a completely new, unfathomable, direction once again.

Me and a friend sat completely humbled as a female entity announced herself under every name that she has ever been known and then sang to us comforting words with elegant breaths of ethereal fractals. She was a fractal goddess, the nature of everything.

After she was gone, as the experience seemed over and our egos started to place doubt in our minds, about what we had just known to be true, when my friend said out loud that he was starting to doubt the experience, her voice came back, as encompassing and powerful as ever and told us never to doubt her, for she was truly real.

When my friend denied it a second time, after about 30 minutes of trying to now grasp the entirety of everything, a voice began to repeatedly sing in response "I am not, I'm not existing. You hear my voice, all over. The voice of everyone". These particular words are on the album and echo in my mind fairly constantly, serving as a stern reminder.

I can safely say that the writing is on the wall and that is hasn't finished subtly scripting everywhere around me. Everything is making sense just now and we're on our own paths which are as real to us as logic would imply her to be.

She is existing.
 
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my one experience with entities on dmt was fantastic, took the hit like any other and sat back with my eyes closed. there were 3 that i remember distinctly. the best way i can describe them is "geometries with consciousnesses," but that description doesn't really do them justice. during the experience i was met with the most pure and fantastic feeling of love and joy and happiness, and i credit it to them.
 
Mr Wobble said:
Have there been any objective studies of the visions that are induced by DMT? By that I mean using subjects from a wide range of nationalities, cultures, beliefs etc. I would imagine that most people taking DMT will likely come from a fairly restricted demographic leading to the possibility that cultural factors, and their expectations and a degree of auto-suggestion might have an influence upon the visions that a DMT user has (and certainly how they interpret them).

It would be interesting to learn how, say, a Masai tribesman, an Inuit, or an Aboriginal Australian describes and interprets such an experience.
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Now, that would be interesting.

I really can't get over how Strassman took his subjects' confirmations of aliens seriously when 1) he told them they would experience entities, 2) people look like aliens when you're tripping that hard, and he was standing right over them the whole time & 4) they literally had a probe in their buttholes.
 
>Was this some kind of religious calling he had?

He gave everyone DMT... then again he did read the aboriginals the old testament in a booming voice... in a quite tongue in cheek way... they called him "Jambu", which means long armed one apparently!


Julian.
 
This trip has been on my mind more and more often lately, particularly since I've never read anyone describing a similar experience on DMT.

Quoted for easy reference:

Once I tried diving into 60mg DMT space (note: an unmeasured clump of yellow/waxy "jungle" DMT from the final extraction freeze-crystallization was spread on top) while listening to one of those 20 minute long Yes (the band called "Yes") album songs...

All was well and good for about the first 15 seconds. Then there was this high, rising pitch and the Yes music literally got slower, and slower, and slower until all I could make out of it was slow, serene morphing waves of sound and almost voice-like beautiful and melodic clicking noises. This "music" would move forward for a few moments, and then move literally backward as if the audio were playing and then rewinding and then fading out and skipping farther ahead in the song to catch up with real time (as it is moving outside my DMT-infused brain), after which point I would continue to hear it in incredibly slow motion with those added voice-like components once again.

I've never had DMT play with my perception of time so blatantly before, so it... well, what can anyone say about something that bizarre? I could think in a straight line "this... this is definitely not classic rock music anymore, how is this even happening right now?", and yet the music I was clearly hearing was in ludicrously slow motion, then fading into nothingness and skipping to catch up with real-time again, and from there either playing forward or backward depending on the whim of that peculiar geometric thing that seemed to be mouthing something to me the whole time behind my closed eyes. Something with a lot of v's and x's and z's in it, that's all I can really remember.

Boy was that a weird day.
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Anyone else notice this sort of thing?

Specifically, you have something you can measure the passage of time with during the DMT trip (such as a song playing that you know very well), and noticed fundamental, seemingly impossible changes in time-perception as described?

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I'll finally have some freetime to voyage again this week, but it's such a roulette game isn't it?

My usual DMT trip is just nice happy closed eye visuals of fantasy characters and scenarios morphing about serenely, or simple calming "breathing effects" while looking at artwork.

I loaded the pipe with mostly yellower/waxy crystals from later stb extractions. I suppose we ought to expect "jungle DMT" to always be wilder and completely out of one's control?

Not that it was a bad experience, just... my heart starts racing like mad now whenever I'm anywhere near that pipe since then, if you know what I mean ;) Reality raped, loved, raped again, torn asunder and all that...

When things were at their weirdest, I literally couldn't even remember how to open my eyes, or judge whether or not I was breathing.

Again: I thought to myself "This is such untread territory, I'd better check and see if I'm breathing", but honestly tried and could find no way to open my eyes or know for sure whether I was breathing in or out or at all.

^ My non-logical brain keeps on insisting this is because time was being perceived so quickly during those points that it appeared to be hardly moving at all... Yet I could still think in long strings of english words/sentences at a regular pace, and was cognizant enough to attempt to analyze the bizarreness of the situation while it was happening. And of course, all the while there was that geometric construct that kept chanting those unrecallable words/sounds (I'm betting you guys understand the "entity" part at least... as much as we can, anyway).

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Hard to keep one's self from not musing (futilely?) on experiences like those...

Can somebody tell me I'm not the only one to have gotten this effect?

I sort of want to rationalize it and pretend it was just a dream, but the memory of finally being able to open my eyes again (or realize that they'd been open, but now suddenly could "see" again) and then clutching onto a tabletop and gurgling a steady stream of curses and thank-you's for a very long period of time & feeling so absolutely certain that I'd just suddenly "popped" back into a normal flow of time again... that string of events is such poignant, clearly awake memory...
 
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Pure win.

May be doing DMT within the next couple weeks....

I can only hope, this is just one of those things that finds you....

If i can obtain a decent amount i would really enjoy just giving it to people. Facilitate DMT finding others. It is not a drug i would be comfortable even thinking about selling, and not due to legal issues or whatever, just the simple fact that i couldn't bring myself to try and turn a profit on something like this, its just kind of sacred....

Nah, i would get much more satisfaction melting a hundred milligrams or so into a pipe and then just run around letting people hit it at a festival....

No festivals until spring though, so it will probably just be friends until then....
 
DMT and aliens

okay, soo i just saw on another forum(godlike productions) a thread about DMT. what it said is that the government already knew about all this(as always) but apparently the use of DMT will screw up your ability to move on to another worldwhen you die because it messes with the pineal gland and supposedly that is the part of the brain responsible for "psycic" abilities and things of that nature. they said that the pineal gland is responsible for taking you to the after life or heaven or whatever you believe in. im not saying its true, but i would just like to hear what you guys have to say. apparently it causes a fake sense of one traveling to the afterlife( when ppl see god, aliens, ect) and when you use it you weaken your penial gland. if this is true alot of us are FUCKED including myself XD
 
Well people like Rick Strassman have made the hypothesis that during times of extreme stress the pineal pumps out huge quantities of dmt which might shed some light on things like alien abduction, out of body experiences, mystical experiences ect. In The Spirit Molecule there are reports of volunteers seeing bright lights, entities and so on, sometimes this is accompanied by a feeling of paralysis much like with reported cases of alien abduction. A few volunteers claimed that they met beings who were ultimately 'in control' throughout the experience and performed tests much like cases of abduction.
 
Hm that actually sounds kind of interesting , i how ever haven't tried DMT or don't know much about it. But if the theory on all your dmt is released when you die is true, i really wouldn't want to mess with DMT a lot. I wouldn't mess with DMT a lot any ways and i think thats what they are getting at, people who use it too often and stimulate their pineal gland too much. Occasional users shouldn't really be affected, but any who don't fuck around with DMT too much it can really make you a loopy person. Keep it very occasional, when you really need that spiritual release or need to release that mind clutter you have.
 
yeah, ill try to find the link, its very interesting. i figured i would make a not self serving thread for once. the thing i dont get it, why would doing DMT hurt your pineal gland? its not like your depleating it, if anything your putting more DMT in it?
 
There is no afterlife or 'heaven'. When you die, you lose your individuality and return to true reality. Everything all at once - no time, no space, just everything that was, is or will ever be all jumbled together in a kaleidoscope of potentialities. Without a human brain to filter things like in everyday life, you will experience the totality of existence.

I've heard that eating a human pineal gland is even better than smoking DMT. Takes you all the way...
 
^^^ well that is your opinion that there is no afterlife, im not saying there is, but im not saying there isnt. i would be a little more careful about your views and saying them on here. you might offend someone and get this thread closed
 
The human mind is complex beyond imagination.DMT is found in so many things in nature,including our brains,why it is there we still do not know,there are many theories and hypothosis,but no definitive answers.

We are all susceptible to suggestion,so lets say for some reason the mind is producing too much DMT because of a chemical imbalance,we may hallucinate and in those hallucinations we may see many things which are already buried in our subconsciousness,things put there by i.e folklore,media etc etc.

Chemicals play such a massive role in our existance.We could all be given DMT and see different things,in our worlds at that time those things appear to be real,we could believe that we have been teleported to other dimensions to meet other beings,if we believe this strongly enough it becomes real,real in our worlds,but we wont see aliens walking down the high street unless we are on drugs or are having a mental episode.

What happens to many people suffering from delusional states is a fragmentation of this reality,so the human brain has to make sense of it,but it can`t because it knows it`s not real,not as in real as what they are born to know,so they have to make what they have experienced as real otherwise the fragmentation snowballs,they hold on to the pieces of their minds with all their might.

This is why when you get people that have had delusions meet,they generally fuel each others experiences because they are trying to make sense of it all,but instead of accepting what it is,they continue to go deeper trying to get everyone else to believe it too,this is what mass hysteria is.

It`s all to do with chemicals man :)
 
^ Sorry 'bout that, I should have mentioned that's just a theory. The theory includes the concept that DMT disables your 'filters' for a short time, thus letting you experience a bit of this underlying 'true reality'.

I highly doubt that smoking DMT would have any long term negative effect on the pineal gland or on one's ability to die as nature intended. I like the government angle, however. Maybe recreational use of DMT is a plot by the One World Government to reduce the amount of people who make it to the other side after physical death?
 
im sorry, i left out one of the key parts. apparently, aliens are the ones who told the government this. and im not really douting it. idk if you guys have seen the news latly, but there have been alot of people from high up in the gov and military saying that they know that there are aliens and we do have contact with them
 
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