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Wasn't entirely too sure where to put this(has to do with symphonies)

Tryptamind

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Hey everyone, lately when I smoke some bud i've been listening to all these weird symphonies, like music that tells a story with no words, I am looking to find what the people here in PD think are some of the best I should listen too. I trip pretty regularly and for the next time I do I'd like to have a nice playlist of these ready and just relax my way into my mind, any tips? Things that are slightly darker in nature are always a plus, it makes them very epic. thanks!
 
Sibelius Symphony #7.

Truly awesome and psychedelic. Dark yet ending in one of the most moving and transcendental blazes of God-Light I have ever hear. Nothing tops this... both dark and light.... I think you will find it utterly perfect.

See here for a an exquisitely detailed description. It's NOT overblown... this is exactly what it always felt like to me. Make this near the peak of your trip. You will probably end up in tears... you will never be the same... don't listen to it till you are tripping... make tripping the first time you hear this. You will probably need to play it a few times again all the way thru again. Did I say you will NEVER BE THE SAME after hearing this tripping.

I swear I am not joking.

http://inkpot.com/classical/sibsym7.html

ONE MORNING at 2 am, in the quiet of the night, I put on a CD of Sibelius' Seventh Symphony and shut off all the lights in my room. What proceeded is a wholly personal experience which I do not ask you to understand; I only ask that you listen. Deep in the darkness, at the height of Sibelius' last completed symphony, I was delivered into a mountainous haven of musical ecstasy. So utterly absorbed was I that I thought I saw pinpoints of light in my room. Perhaps I was dreaming, half-asleep, maybe even delirious. In any case, I have always imagined these were stars before my eyes, and have called them as such.

THE SEVENTH was originally planned as a three-movement work. Evidence also suggested that at one point, the composer was considering four. Sibelius planned it alongside the composition of the Fifth and Sixth Symphonies, which were also the final homes for material from Kuutar. Although his first mention of the Seventh occured in December 1918, the source for its material has been traced back to around 1914/15, the period of the Fifth Symphony.

Before attaining its final home key of C, the Symphony existed in embryonic form in the key of D. There is something about C that is very primal, as if it is the "mother" of all keys - it is in a sense the simplest, and in this way all other keys are organic variants or descendants.

There was a time when composing in C was considered fruitless - it had "nothing more to offer." But in response to the Seventh, the English composer Ralph Vaughan Williams declared that only Sibelius could make C major sound completely fresh. Peter Franklin, writing of it in the Segerstam/Chandos cycle, calls the apocalyptic conclusion "the grandest celebration of C major there ever was."

Sibelius apparently abandoned the multi-movement plan in favour of a continuous single movement in 1923, and the Seventh was completed on 2nd March 1924, 75 years ago. Except that it wasn't then considered a "symphony". It was premiered in Stockholm in the autumn of 1925 as the Fantasia sinfonica or "Symphonic Fantasy". The composer grappled with the name (and its subtitles) for quite a while, and only on February 25, 1925, with the publication of the score, did he finally direct the publisher, Hansen, to title it "Symphony No.7 (in one movement)".

At some point, Sibelius seemed to realise that what he had created was perhaps what he had always sought in symphonic thought: total unity of musical expression based on the organic development of the briefest of material. With his penchant for the fusion of motifs and movements (eg. Second and Fifth Symphonies), the highest form of these techniques must be a single stretch of music completely based on the development of a single theme or motif. This is exactly what the Seventh is.

WITH a soft stroke of timpani, the Seventh Symphony rises from the darkness. A rising C scale enigmatically ends on A-flat. Mists float by, the woodwind, like some primeval bird, greets the barely-lit dawn. Strings shimmer, nostalgic yet urging gently forward. Light fills the sky, but it is neither night nor day. Surging from the undercurrents, the great trombone theme surfaces and fills the universe with a grand evocation of infinity. An urgent development section follows, full of moving strings, distant winds, cries of life, pulsating rhythms of nature.

The development of the material is tightly concentrated, leading suddenly but inevitably into the second appearance of the trombone theme, dark, solemn with the enduring force of life. Ominous winds swirl, stir and growl in the background. As this passes, the mood flows into a pastorale-like sequence. The alpine trombone theme finally achieves its highest being in its third and final appearance. Where one might think it could not become more awesome, it does - the strings swell, the winds billow with understated power before it then roars into being. Raising a great storm of brass and strings, the symphony seems to struggle in its birth, life and culmination all at once, driving vast galaxies of intense energy.

Suddenly, we seem transported beyond all that has transpired. Ecstatic violins soar higher and ever higher, penetrating the blackness beyond. As if returning to the dawn-touched opening, distant horns reveal a quiet flute solo - is this not the mythic call of the opening, seeming to speak to us from another time, another space?... It is the same voice, the hymn of the trombone in another form, the same musical material that has gone on before, transformed. The breathing, living nature that does not know ending. In all times past and to come, it forms and transforms, never stagnant, always dynamic.

And yet always the same - wherever the Symphony goes, it remembers the essence of its birth. Thus, ultimately we return to the beginning - C major. The Symphony gathers its orchestra for one final paean to universal life itself - every instrument joins in "the grandest celebration of C major there ever was". Except the clarinets, 1st and 3rd trumpets (playing E and G), the entire orchestra, layer by layer, hymns the note C at every octave. Delivered from mortal bonds of earthly understanding, rising above mountains we cannot conquer, gathering with the force of revolving planets, thrust into the chordal Om of the universe, to where the stars dwell.
 
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Sibelius' Seventh Symphony: Recordings Survey
http://inkpot.com/classical/sibsym7r.html

This is my favorite out of many I've heard, though there are 3 or 4 others like alot too. Im sure you should be able to find an MP3 of just the 7th online, or purchase it for download for a couple bucks at the Deutche Grammophon web-site; probably also at iTunes, or eMusic or some such site.

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Symphonies Nos.4, 5, 6 & 7.
The Swan of Tuonela. Tapiola.
Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra
conducted by Herbert von Karajan

DEUTSCHE GRAMMOPHON The Originals 457 748-2
2 discs [159:07] mid-price. Symphony No.7 (23'18") on 4 tracks, recorded September 1967 (all recordings from 1960s incomplete cycle with BPO). This reissue: March 1999.

(Two years ago I guessed this reissue would happen). Karajan's classic 1967 recording has just been reissued on DG Originals (March 1999), also at mid-price, but with more music on two 70+minute discs. The single disc on DG Galleria (click here to see) is still available, but not likely for long.

This famous reading is cogently argued and above all, spine-tinglingly intense. Like the Philharmonia version (reviewed below), the sense of progression and line is very strong, the sense of living movement taut, the grand energy palpable. The control of tempo and rubato is very natural, a credit to both conductor and the incredible cohesion of the orchestra. It is probably the result of the superb recording that the great beauty of the winds come through here so much better.

The level of detail the players and sound engineering capture and create is astounding for the recording's age, adding a further dimension to the experience of listening to the Symphony. The Berliners play with supreme intensity, particularly up to the soaring "storm" section after the third trombone climax, where even the basses can be heard tremoring with earthshaking power. All the more impressive the quietening development into the serene section after the "Affettuoso". The final bars teem with strength and purpose, but is not (surprisingly after all the bellowing) overblown. Karajan, always a conductor of great intelligence including in Sibelius, reveals the final splendour of the Seventh Symphony with firmness, clenched-fist conviction. And finally - I can hear the reverb...

This symphony was previously coupled with Karajan's 1965 Fifth at full-price, then with the Fourth at mid-price; and now the entire quartet which he recorded in this incomplete cycle is once again available together, with the 1964 recordings of The Swan of Tuonela and Tapiola (the latter is definitely recommendable beside the 1984 recording). Comparing with my "first generation" full-priced release CD (Nos.5 & 7), the remastered disc (on Originals) has receded very slightly to make a more natural sound. Where occasionally the original sounded raw (particularly in the giant fortissimo sections), the new disc has a slightly warmer and smoother sound. But whatever the case, the power of the reading is completely retained. This version serves as a good document of one of the finest non-Scandinavian interpretations up to the 1990s when the renaissance of Scandinavian interpretations was (is) at its height. Recommended as a heavyweight reading.
 
If you like this you will also want to hear and will grow to also love his Symphony #2 (my next fave) and #5. He was an amazing genius and these will all pull you in. The recent recording by the Cincinnati Symphony, conducted by Jarvi is actually be best and most detailed and perfect and moving, and I am not just saying that because I am from near there.... it's just great. Almost as wonderous as #7, but not as cosmic... more Earthy.
 
I like Mozart's Requiem, and i know this is going to sound a bit cheesy, but pretty much any of John William's scores & concerti.

In the realm of not quite symphonic classical music, anything Edgar Meyer's done. There's one other piece that I can't recall at the moment that I like a lot as well, just searched through my internet history looking for it, but can't seem to find it.
 
I think I was listening to Chausson's Symphony in B flat when I was peaking on a really intense 4-aco-dmt trip, but I'm not totally sure...

I would also highly recommend listening to other varieties of classical music while tripping, like Chamber Music. Some of it is very pretty and the music will blend right in with the trip.

An example: Faure's First Piano Quintet in G minor. It almost sounds like a fountain.... <3

*listens to Helsinki Philharmonic Orchestra under Paavo Berglund's Sibelius 7th*
 
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Will be grabbing Sibelius when I get home from work, cheers for the linky.

I really like Jaz Coleman's tribute to Pink Floyd, Us and Them. It's a magnificent angle on Floyd, and a great trip accompaniment.
 
I think I was listening to Chausson's Symphony in B flat when I was peaking on a really intense 4-aco-dmt trip, but I'm not totally sure...

I would also highly recommend listening to other varieties of classical music while tripping, like Chamber Music. Some of it is very pretty and the music will blend right in with the trip.

An example: Faure's First Piano Quintet in G minor. It almost sounds like a fountain.... <3

*listens to Helsinki Philharmonic Orchestra under Paavo Berglund's Sibelius 7th*

Ah, Berglunds Sibelius 7th is also marvelous.

Agree also on chamber music... Beethoven's late piano sonatas, most especially opus 111, and late string quartets, esp opus 131 are utterly mindblowing & psychedelic, no? Such deep deep emotion... intimate insound yet epic in feeling. Astounding that in his day he came up with such works that even today sound totally transcendental and like they were written in the present day they are so sophisticated. How on Earth did he come up with these things... all while totally deaf no less! And no one could even play them for long after they were written.

I also really love Schubert's Trout quintet with the piano, so idyllic and sunny... I like the version with Emanuel Ax. It is impossible to hear this and not start feeling very very happy, no matter how depressed you may be. A true "aural antidepressant drug!" Amazing.

And also Schubert's very late very complex and deep string quintet, finished in the last weeks of his life:

Here is an article about it... widely agreed by, well, absolutely everyone, to be among the top most sublime works of music ever composed.

Ive heard several performances, and I agree with this NPR story... the mentioned version is just OMG! in its perfection and super intense emotion.

Go here for story audio, as well as a free listen to the entire 14minute devastatingly moving Adagio:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111631425

Schubert Most Sublime: The String Quintet In C
*a weekly guide to essential classics*
by Ted Libbey

Ted Libbey And Fred Child Recommend Schubert's String Quintet In C
[5 min 54 sec]
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An engraving of Franz Schubert, a year before he wrote his famed String Quintet in C.

HEAR THE MUSIC
Franz Schubert: Quintet In C Major -- Adagio
[14 min 42 sec]

August 18, 2009 - Composed in September of 1828, during the final weeks of Schubert's life, the Quintet in C for two violins, viola and two cellos was the composer's last instrumental work and ranks among his greatest accomplishments. Schubert's decision to use a second cello (rather than the second viola characteristic of Mozart's quintets) permits him to explore the string trio texture in the middle of the ensemble, while making embellishments with the "bookend" combination of first violin and second cello at the extremes of the quartet range. The second cello also adds to the overall richness of the piece, contributing to a darker sound.

Schubert's writing for the strings is symphonic, revealing, in such details as the frequent fanfare rhythms and repeated-note patterns, touches of "orchestration" that would have been assigned to winds and brass in one of his symphonies. In doing that, he revolutionized the art of writing for strings. He created sounds that no one had ever created before in a small string ensemble, constantly varying the texture as he did it. There are vast changes of light and color in the piece, as well as great harmonic variation.

Revelatory Rostropovich

The Emerson String Quartet has a remarkable guest joining them in this 1990 concert recording: Mstislav Rostropovich, who has played this music on many occasions and brings a marked intensity and beauty of tone to the second cello part. The Emersons are no slouches, either— they are one of the great string quartets in history, technically assured and tremendously energetic, which is precisely what this quintet calls for. Yet their music is always under control, never played in a manic or frantic way, but with unlimited reserves of energy for the long build-up to the final movement. There's a poignant beauty running through the instruments, and a supreme quality of sound.
 
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Will be grabbing Sibelius when I get home from work, cheers for the linky.

I really like Jaz Coleman's tribute to Pink Floyd, Us and Them. It's a magnificent angle on Floyd, and a great trip accompaniment.

Oh, and thank you for the Linky... will have to get that!

And do let us know what you think of the Sibelius 7th, especially after to hear it on a trip... if you make make it back from the heart of the Galaxy, that is, haha! :D
 
I like Mozart's Requiem, and i know this is going to sound a bit cheesy, but pretty much any of John William's scores & concerti.

In the realm of not quite symphonic classical music, anything Edgar Meyer's done. There's one other piece that I can't recall at the moment that I like a lot as well, just searched through my internet history looking for it, but can't seem to find it.

I agree... Mozart's Requiem is great.

And John Williams is indeed fantastic, such bravura and emotion, I love his film scores, especially, as a Trumpet player, I love his style of writing for brass.

Someone mentioned Faure... thanks, I will seek out his Piano Quintet... I love that form, as you can tell from my remarks on Schubert's Trout.

His Requiem is great... but most especially the "Sanctus" and "In Paradisum" movements... I've used the latter as the peak climax on a number of "trip music" tapes I have made over the years.... just truly lights a divine lantern inside you somehow... magical! There are MANY excellent versions... I prefer the ones with organ and boychoir... sounds so utterly heavenly. These 2 pieces sound REALLY awesome one after the other also... what a PERFECT pair of pieces!

Sanctus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFLM99FprvM&feature=related

This Paradisum one sounded the most perfect to me of several I sampled on YouTube tonight... what piercingly gloriously clear vocals, such well-recorded organ and orchestra too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6j9TKDYKHI

Another marveleous performance, accompanied by some very well chosen imagery of Earth, Galaxies, and Nebula... outstanding!
English Chamber Orchestra, King's College Choir, Cambridge & Stephen Cleobury - In Paradisum (Requiem, Op. 48; 1893 Version, Ed. John Rutter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82L8AaqA-Dc
 
Hector Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique

that was a favorite of mine when i took Music Appreciation my Freshman year

idk if it counts as a symphony, but Gustav Holst's - The Planets is one of my favorite "classical" works.
 
The Planets is great and so is Symphonie Fantastique.

What about Debussy? You could also listen to Ravel's Bolero, which was the base for a rather famous Jefferson Airplane song.
 

yes that's the piece. though the sound over youtube is usually lousy so much detail of the extremely complex piece gets lost. are these even in stereo? far far better experience to download high fidelity mp3 from emusic or itunes or amazon for proper listening, but these are ok to just see if you like the piece... though in bad sound coming out of tiny laptop speakers, distracted while continuing to browse net etc, gives you little feel for the true power majesty and depth... better to download proper cd mp3, play on big loud stereo, sit in chair doing nothing but listen deep. I guess it could be ok if computer is connected to big soundsystem that will fill entire house as if a 100 person orchestra was in your living room, haha.

and no mention of orchestra / conductor. well if you do listen to any of these switch to hires 480p for better sound with menu under frame lower right. also pause and wait for whole thing to buffer. and I dislike split tracks, so I would make new tab for later part(s), and buffer them up all the way before starting.

anyway I quibble too much perhaps - thanks for finding those... good to check style of various recordings which can vary so much as to feel like a different piece sometimes.

happy listening! interested to see what you think of the piece... I find it one of the most powerful and deep things I ever heard, and I have heard alot!
 
Igor Stravinsky -- The Rite of Spring

YES! Phenomenal, engrossing, scary, hypnotic, and totally trippy - great choice!


many great performances to choose from. if I recall, Boulez is it was always considered a standardbearer, prepared while composer was still alive I think under his guidance?

note: ever notice how John Williams score for part of Star Wars, early on when the little hooded gnome guys are shown poking around desert planet is almost exact steal of parts of this, haha! directors will often use existing recordings of classsical music to help edit scenes with a nice flow to them before score recording is done, and I think Lucas must have used part of RoS for that, and it just worked so well that Williams pretty much copied it.
 
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