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GHB, GBL Discussion.

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scantraxx

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I haven't seen any recent disccusions on this, so I thought I would make a new thread.

I have a few questions in regards to both of these substances, is GBL actually floating around VIC and if not what is the quality of GHB? Is there a way to test it? I have only been looking into this drug latly as a way to treat my anxiety and HPPD and maybe get some recreational use out of it but more so just for the anxiety.

I have also "heard" that GHB has been known to be mixed with things, I can't really think of what would be mixed with it anyway (as combining with this drug tends to be very dangerous if not leathal) but I need to be careful as I would like to be taking something with good purity so as to not exacerbate my symptoms.

I know this drug gets a bad wrap and after doing my own research I can see how ignorant I really was, so please don't come in here with anti G jargon unless it is actually educated and well informed.
 
GBL is floating around victoria in far greater quantities than GHB. most of the time you buy "G" its going to end up being GBL, which takes a lot longer to kick in, and in my opinion is much less fun (and less safe because people think it hasn't done anything, so they take more and when it finally hits they're floored.)

in terms of mixing drugs alcohol is the biggest no go zone. i've seen people's heart stop off of 3.5 mls because they've been drinking, dont go there.

speed and ice are the drugs that people most use with g. keeps you up without getting super sloppy and having g-naps. i've seen many many people effectively 'saved' because stimulants kept them out of a blow out.

very dangerous drugs to go playing with, as i'm sure you've heard. make educated decisions, know your limits, and especially do not do it in any place that you could jeopardize for others (aka blowing out at raves and clubs because they will get ruined if that sort of stuff happens....)
 
GHB is non-existent on the streets.. GBL and 1,4-b are prevalent, with 1,4-b being popular here in melbourne.

It's usually diluted a little with water.. i don't know of any reason to use other adulterants.

1,4-b if pure, will become a solid at temps between about 13-19 degrees...
 
I don't know about anti-G jargon, but trying to self medicate with street drugs almost universally ends badly. I'd look into another method of treatment if I were you.
 
MrIbis said:
GHB is non-existent on the streets.. GBL and 1,4-b are prevalent, with 1,4-b being popular here in melbourne.
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Why don't they go the extra step and make GHB?
Is it a legal thing, is the Drug Schedule for GHB higher than GBL?
 
bud.lightyear said:
GBL is floating around victoria in far greater quantities than GHB. most of the time you buy "G" its going to end up being GBL, which takes a lot longer to kick in, and in my opinion is much less fun (and less safe because people think it hasn't done anything, so they take more and when it finally hits they're floored.)

in terms of mixing drugs alcohol is the biggest no go zone. i've seen people's heart stop off of 3.5 mls because they've been drinking, dont go there.

speed and ice are the drugs that people most use with g. keeps you up without getting super sloppy and having g-naps. i've seen many many people effectively 'saved' because stimulants kept them out of a blow out.

very dangerous drugs to go playing with, as i'm sure you've heard. make educated decisions, know your limits, and especially do not do it in any place that you could jeopardize for others (aka blowing out at raves and clubs because they will get ruined if that sort of stuff happens....)
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Is a blow out a bad thing though? From my understanding G causes most people just to end up going in to deep sleep and it then being hard to wake them up. If this is the case I doubt I will be taking large doses as amphetamines (as much as I used to enjoy them) are a no no for me.

Also, from what I have read GBL kicks in quicker and lasts shorter?

MrIbis said:
GHB is non-existent on the streets.. GBL and 1,4-b are prevalent, with 1,4-b being popular here in melbourne.

It's usually diluted a little with water.. i don't know of any reason to use other adulterants.

1,4-b if pure, will become a solid at temps between about 13-19 degrees...
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Yeah I thought the adulturant thing was a bit weird, and seeing as it is so cheap it wouldn't make sense to do that anyway.


Crankinit said:
I don't know about anti-G jargon, but trying to self medicate with street drugs almost universally ends badly. I'd look into another method of treatment if I were you.
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My self treatment is more of a "have something on hand" sort of thing, obviously it isn't a cure so I won't be taking it to an excessive amount and I know of its addictiveness, my only other option is benzo's which I am in the process of getting, they are also not a cure. I'm not one to want to be high all the time, I like being sober, the only reason I want this for times when I really need to calm my self down (which isn't often I need to) and I would like a variety rather than turning to opiates all the time.

bobbydarren said:
Why don't they go the extra step and make GHB?
Is it a legal thing, is the Drug Schedule for GHB higher than GBL?
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I would also like to see an answer to this, not sure if we are allowed to discuss it though? I do know GHB is a lot safer in regards to health than GBL.
 
This thread is likely to be merged with this one http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=372036&page=7&highlight=GHB as that is the thread for basic discussion on G.

I don't know a whole lot about G as I have only started experimenting recently. I think because of G's relatively short action, a benzodiazepine would be better for anxiety if you insisted on treating it with a drug.

G is quite good for relieving anxiety I do admit, it is also a very clear headed drug when you aren't too messed up on it, but personally I would say it impairs me more than a light to moderate dose of benzo's. Perhaps that is because I am using G recreationally and benzo's I use therapeutically more often than recreationally, but to me I see the frequent need to redose and relative impairment of G as reasonable pit falls when it comes to being a good anxiety treatment.

It is pretty easy to overdo the G I have found out recently. I got a hold of a bit over the weekend and being relatively inexperienced and in a safe environment I managed to 'blow out' a few times. I have used it in the past and managed to avoid over doing it, but due to poly drug use and redosing I haven't quite worked out the duration of G and when to redose.

As I understand it the majority of G in melbourne is 1,4b but I am not really in the know on G like I said. As I understand it that is what I have been using and will be next weekend. I am going to be using G at a public venue for the first time and am somewhat concerned about blowing out. What do people find is a good dosing schedule and how much? A friend reccomended 2mL every 2 hours which I was going to go with but I am curious on others opinions.

In regards to why they don't often make GHB, I would wager it is due to the fact that most of the 1,4b and GBL is diverted from legitimate sources and requires no manufacture on behalf of the drug dealers themselves. While GHB itself may be more desirable I don't see much incentive for criminals to undertake extra risk and cost to manufacture GHB, especially when if they tried to ask for more than 1,4b or GBL, most of the kids would go use that shit just because its cheaper.
 
I found the advantage G has over benzos is that it doesn't make me nearly as tired. Benzos make me very tired in even moderate doses, G is a lot more like alcohol in the sense that while it relaxes you, it's a sociable, outgoing relaxation, if that makes sense, not a 'I wanna lie down and go to sleep' relaxation.
 
bud.lightyear said:
most of the time you buy "G" its going to end up being GBL, which takes a lot longer to kick in, and in my opinion is much less fun (and less safe because people think it hasn't done anything, so they take more and when it finally hits they're floored.)
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GBL is quicker than GHB to kick in, despite being a pro-drug of GHB because it is lipophilic.
 
If you have known pure gbl, do a ghb synth yourself. It's really not hard and requires very little skill.. just some basic math, and stuff you can get from the supermarket.
 
MrIbis said:
If you have known pure gbl, do a ghb synth yourself. It's really not hard and requires very little skill.. just some basic math, and stuff you can get from the supermarket.
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Do you have to be cautious of the purity though? And is word of mouth the only way to know that it is pure? I notice you say adulturants would most likely not be added and just watered down.

What would happen if you thought you had GBL but was just 1,4b and synthed that? I'm guessing there is no way to test, unless used and even then I am guessing the effects are hard to tell apart?
 
if its watered down, you then need to know the ratio of h2o:GBL. the maths part comes with how much water and sodium hydroxide you use with the amount of pure gbl you have.

The one time we tried this with dilute gbl, a mate screwed it up just a fraction, and the ghb was useless.

1,4-b and gbl are very easy to tell apart, 1,4-b is almost always a very viscous thick liquid with little to no smell, GBL is a watery liquid, with a pungent smell, and will burn the mouth to the taste, it also tastes much worse than 1,4-b.

1,4-b isn't converted to GHB the same way as GBL... It's metabolized via a two pass process in the liver. GBL only takes one pass.
 
Okay, at least they are easy to tell apart then. But can you actually tell if it is diluted, or would you have to really know what you are dealing with by taking it or even visually isnpecting it? Or is this only way of knowing simply from being told by who you are getting it from?

I have only seen it once and I declined the offer of taking it (lucky I did because I was really drunk and on amphetamines) The stuff I saw was like a translucent liquid, somewhat clear/white and a bit gluggy, so I'm guessing that was 1,4b?

You say 1,4b is more common, does that mean GBL is harder to get a hold of, or just that 1,4b is just more commonly used?

And is there any disticntions between GBL and GHB?

Just a few questions.. haha
 
MrIbis said:
if its watered down, you then need to know the ratio of h2o:GBL. the maths part comes with how much water and sodium hydroxide you use with the amount of pure gbl you have.

The one time we tried this with dilute gbl, a mate screwed it up just a fraction, and the ghb was useless.

1,4-b and gbl are very easy to tell apart, 1,4-b is almost always a very viscous thick liquid with little to no smell, GBL is a watery liquid, with a pungent smell, and will burn the mouth to the taste, it also tastes much worse than 1,4-b.

1,4-b isn't converted to GHB the same way as GBL... It's metabolized via a two pass process in the liver. GBL only takes one pass.
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Very informative post, thanks for that. I don't know anything about G.
 
scantraxx said:
Okay, at least they are easy to tell apart then. But can you actually tell if it is diluted, or would you have to really know what you are dealing with by taking it or even visually isnpecting it? Or is this only way of knowing simply from being told by who you are getting it from?

I have only seen it once and I declined the offer of taking it (lucky I did because I was really drunk and on amphetamines) The stuff I saw was like a translucent liquid, somewhat clear/white and a bit gluggy, so I'm guessing that was 1,4b?

You say 1,4b is more common, does that mean GBL is harder to get a hold of, or just that 1,4b is just more commonly used?

And is there any disticntions between GBL and GHB?

Just a few questions.. haha
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I'm glad my expertise on these drugs can be used here...

1,4-b is gluggy looking... a good way to check for purity with 1,4 is to put it in the fridge over night, a pure sample will turn completely solid. That's about your only indication if you've never seen pure before. Otherwise, if you have a decent amount obviously it becomes less viscous when diluted - so this is also a give away.

GBL is of a water-ish consistency - one way i'd tell if it were diluted was by how much it burnt your tongue to dose - at about 30% (which was the dilution ratio i used) the burn was pretty much non existent, but it still tasted shit house.

1,4 is more common in aus because of the methods of diversion. It's commonly used in the PBT plastics industry. GBL is used in many other industries as a solvent and in the pharmaceutical industry (it's got many names, and is likely in the shampoo or conditioner you're using)
 
I'm not 100% if this holds true for 1,4 and GBL or just one of the two but if you shake the container and little bubbles appear (like in lemonade) then it's been diluted.
 
Does anyone find a difference in the subjective effects between the different chemicals?

I had a batch of G back in december, really didn't like it that much, found it very sedating with no real euphoric effect even combined with stimulants, ended up getting rid of most of it because I found it so unsatisfying.

By comparison, I had a batch in september in Sydney and loved it, very relaxed, euphoric, outgoing buzz, almost like booze without the shitty seedy side effects.

I'm wondering if potentially they were different variations on GHB/GBL?1,4-b, or if some other factor could account for the variance in effects.
 
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