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Dyed Liquid Owsley LSD?

Roger&Me said:
1) Chemists do not have "recipes" FFS!

2) Owsley never made liquid, paper, blotter, microdot, or anything of the sort. All of Owsley's acid was distributed in small colored barrel-shaped pills.

3) Owsley's LSD was superior because he was willing to accept a sizable reduction in yield in return for a preposterously pure product. He recrystallized his batches many times past what other producer's would deem sufficient.

4) No LSD circulated since like 1967 has had anything to do with Owsley.

5) Owsley had access to pure ergotamine tartrate, so synthesis would have been quite easy. Plus his girlfriend Melissa was a fairly talented entry-level chemist, if I remember correctly, and she helped him with every step of the process.
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that makes perfect sense, about how he was willing to reduce yield for cleaner product. Its all about money these days , at least with some ,and people do lots of shady things with the liquid.
 
Ya dont believe it when there is owsley L going around. There is on more owsley. Even if there was by some mericale that some old head put some away for 30 years, it wouldnt be being sold for street value.

Its most likely just a really clean batch of some nice liquid. The swiss that was around this summer was super clean. Might be that still kicking around in some areas.
 
I have heard there are really small batches released to select few only very rarely that the old man has a finger in. I don't know if it's true, but anymore- i don't know if anything is true.
 
Hmm, Owlsey lives in Australia now, and he makes pendants I think; I doubt he'd be constructing LSD again...

Brown liquid: acid in whiskey/bourbon, by an large.
 
Soundtribed69 said:
I have been lucky enough to come across a vial of owsley recipe from the west coast. 8o The color of the liquid is like a dark purple/almost black color and I assure you this is the purest/most clean and amazing L that I have ever had to opportunity to obtain. It is in a sweetbreath bottle and I am curious as to why it is dyed instead of clear? Granted this is the first vial I have ever possessed on my own and dont know if vials usually come dyed like this. Wanted some insight on this color? I was told that some chemists dye their product as something they are really proud of. :?
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I've had stuff exactly the same - although it wasn't sweetbreath it was Ice Drops.

Fucking best acid I've ever done AFTER the Sweetbreath acid I had which my friend brought over to the UK from America, which was allegedly made from swiss crystal.


willow11 said:
Brown liquid: acid in whiskey/bourbon, by an large.
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Yup :)
 
Be careful; I've had/seen loads of RCs coming through here in SweetBreath/Ice Drops/Simple Solution bottles, mainly crap like DOI but I'm pretty sure DOC's been coming through as well. But here's the thing: I've talked to a lot of people in my area that were experienced with some of the better, true LSD that was going around in the late 90s and they've thought that DOC, in particular, was pure LSD. I've also met people that have thought 5-MeO-AMT was pure LSD. This shows that what some people are comparing these newer RCs to may not have even been real LSD to begin with.

Something to keep in mind is that manufacturers of LSD aren't going to supply their product in containers like this... If it's LSD, it obviously went to many-a-middleman before being put in these kind of droppers. Another thing that I'd be skeptical and curious about is contaminants that may be left in these droppers from the original product that can ruin/degrade true LSD. This may also be true for these 'dyes' that are being mentioned.

It's not hard at all for someone to buy a box of SweetBreath droppers, a few grams of a DOx compound, and dilute the stuff accurately and sell the stuff off as LSD. I'm not saying that what you have isn't LSD, what I'm saying is that you're way more likely to end up with an RC than 'pure LSD' when you buy it in some sort of gas-station bought breath freshening dropper, so just make sure you're really careful because these kind of droppers are VERY inaccurate for dosing per drop. The tips of these kind of droppers are not designed for amount-specific drops. What one drop contains, the next drop may contain twice of simply because the drop itself became twice as big before 'dropping' from the tip, another reason why these types of droppers aren't used by LSD manufacturers and the higher-ups of the LSD ring(s).
 
SizzleSword said:
Something to keep in mind is that manufacturers of LSD aren't going to supply their product in containers like this... If it's LSD, it obviously went to many-a-middleman before being put in these kind of droppers. Another thing that I'd be skeptical and curious about is contaminants that may be left in these droppers from the original product that can ruin/degrade true LSD. This may also be true for these 'dyes' that are being mentioned.

It's not hard at all for someone to buy a box of SweetBreath droppers, a few grams of a DOx compound, and dilute the stuff accurately and sell the stuff off as LSD. I'm not saying that what you have isn't LSD, what I'm saying is that you're way more likely to end up with an RC than 'pure LSD' when you buy it in some sort of gas-station bought breath freshening dropper, so just make sure you're really careful because these kind of droppers are VERY inaccurate for dosing per drop. The tips of these kind of droppers are not designed for amount-specific drops. What one drop contains, the next drop may contain twice of simply because the drop itself became twice as big before 'dropping' from the tip, another reason why these types of droppers aren't used by LSD manufacturers and the higher-ups of the LSD ring(s).
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^this was going to be my next worry because i definitely smell mint when i open the bottle. i worry that this is degrading possibly even evaporating (because of the alcohol content in liquid mint bottles like this) quality product and there probably isnt too much i can do about at this point. A friend said that last night he did not get very many visuals and the night before another friend said he had the best visuals hes ever had. thoughts? and thank you everyone for contributing. its always a good thing to be knowledgeable when dealing with stuff like this.
 
Soundtribed69, I think your friends' experiences are probably varying due to differences in dose if they're from the same dropper. With a dropper like this it's VERY hard to drop the same sized dose each time, which is usually why people prefer to not use these droppers, among other reasons. Their contrasting experiences could also be due to tolerance issues. You mentioned one friend not noticing as many visuals.. Is there a chance that he/she had dosed within the last four or five days before the last dose? It's really hard to say or guess why they had different reactions, but I'd put my money on it being a dosage issue. The drops from these small bottles are never consistant enough to be able to say that each 'hit' that is dropped from it is equal to the previous or next drop.
 
SizzleSword said:
Soundtribed69, I think your friends' experiences are probably varying due to differences in dose if they're from the same dropper. With a dropper like this it's VERY hard to drop the same sized dose each time, which is usually why people prefer to not use these droppers, among other reasons. Their contrasting experiences could also be due to tolerance issues. You mentioned one friend not noticing as many visuals.. Is there a chance that he/she had dosed within the last four or five days before the last dose? It's really hard to say or guess why they had different reactions, but I'd put my money on it being a dosage issue. The drops from these small bottles are never consistant enough to be able to say that each 'hit' that is dropped from it is equal to the previous or next drop.
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that is a good point and it is quite possible that it very well may be the case. I guess one will have to pay close attention as to how they lay on it on the sugar cubes. Now back to my last post. what do you think about the minty smell in the bottle and its potential to degrade/evaporate the L? could that just be the smell of alcohol or another chemical? :p
 
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sockpuppet said:
I think Bear went directly from Lysergic Acid, no?? Too lazy to check now...
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Nah, Owsley definitely went the standard route from ergotamine tartrate. Except for the chromatography, the synthesis is smooth & easy, like baking a cake for anyone with a bit of chemistry experience.
 
Soooo weird: in the book "A Long Strange Trip" about the Grateful Dead, they mention it was synthed from ergotamine tartrate.

I wonder which is correct?
 
I'm pretty sure there were different batches made at different times, starting from different reactions. I can't cite this but another article I've read on either Erowid or Lycaeum stated that he had the access to Sandoz chemicals up until a certain point and then changed to a different supplier, but it didn't mention whether he changed the original synth or not. Plus, who knows what the original synth was. I'm not trying to be an ass about anything, just trying to share facts (if they are, indeed, facts).
 
^No I gotcha, its fun to discuss this stuff.

Its probably no matter, the synths from lysergic acid monohydrate and ergotamine tartrate are of comparable difficulty anyway, and both yield identical products.
 
The whole thing that should be focused on when anyone mentions Owsley LSD is that it was made with a lot of care and that it was extremely pure compared to other underground LSD that was going around back then. It went quick and most people that had a chance to take it consider themselves lucky. I know this isn't contributing any to the OP's question about whether their LSD can degrade due to the ingredients in SweetBreath, I just figured I'd follow up with a "main idea" of my last few posts.
 
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haha no no both of you seem to know a lot more about this stuff than i initially thought i did! after a couple of months of research and discussion im truly starting to see how beautiful and caring the movement really is. whether it is discussions that i have read or discussions i have personally been involved in, the concept behind it seems to always be the same. knowledge is power my friends and you guys are giving me/all of us (<--edit) more power than i had ever thought i would possess. carry on and continue this awesome thread. ive seen threads like this start up in the past in different places but refresher courses for new generations are always a great thing to share ;)
 
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There's no such thing as "impure LSD". It's either LSD or it isn't. You can have something that isn't LSD but that's a different compound, it's not "impure LSD".

And this shit about LSD degrading and that people can actually notice the degrading is absolute bollocks. A trace microgram amount on the blotter of something that isn't LSD isn't going to be detectable by any human brain or body. It certainly isn't going to be powerful enough to make you feel anything.

The reason LSD feels "dirty" or "clean" has got absolutely fuck all to do with any "impurities" in the LSD. It's completely dependent on how you're feeling on that day - if you havn't wiped your arse correctly the morning you trip then you may feel "dirty" during the trip. If the sun's out that day then you'll probably have a "clean" trip. LSD has a vast range of effects depending on tiny changes in your mood that day or the weather or if you had a good nights sleep.

The reason Owsley once dyed some LSD was because he was tired of hearing people saying "This batch is super clean dude" while another batch was "like dirty dude". So he dyed the same batch of LSD with 3 different coloured food dyes. Sure enough he got back reports saying "The green acid is righteously mellow but the red is dirty and the blue is a bummer". Owsley was laughing at the fucking idiots.
 
Ismene said:
There's no such thing as "impure LSD". It's either LSD or it isn't. You can have something that isn't LSD but that's a different compound, it's not "impure LSD".

And this shit about LSD degrading and that people can actually notice the degrading is absolute bollocks. A trace microgram amount on the blotter of something that isn't LSD isn't going to be detectable by any human brain or body. It certainly isn't going to be powerful enough to make you feel anything.

The reason LSD feels "dirty" or "clean" has got absolutely fuck all to do with any "impurities" in the LSD.
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I can't think of many organic syntheses that yield pure products before further recrystallization (or employing other methods for purification of solids, but recrystallization is the most convenient in most cases).

If the chemist producing the LSD is lazy and doesn't recrystallize sufficiently (which will result in reduction of percent yield as well), there will be a significant proportion of clavine alkaloids and unreacted ergotamine tartrate (depending on the route of synthesis).
 
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