Not sure what is going on..

[georgewc2001]

I had an unidentified non-stop HORRID dry cough for 10 years until the docs figured out it was reflux, so I know where you're coming from. I take Nexium everyday, which many people do, and it's not harmful. It heps tremendously. Also, watch out for any kind of black tea...for me it's the absolute worst for reflux. I've had to switch to drinking mainly water with all my meals because everything else is acidic. Reflux really sux. :-(

Also, not sure if you're referring to me Molly 897, but I wasn't suggesting she didn't take mdma. I was saying it must have been cut...not necessarily with any active ingredient, just filler to dilute it. It would've been easier to understand what it was if we could get more detail on how it made her feel during the roll.

 

[rincewindrocks]

metabolized as MDA

documentation? Ive never heard this before.

 

[molly897]

documentation? Ive never heard this before.

http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=79

or a more familiar one

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=500771

"MDMA reaches maximal concentrations in the blood stream between 1.5 and 3 hours after ingestion. It is then slowly metabolized and excreted, with levels decreasing to half their peak concentration over approximately 8 hours. Thus, there are still high MDMA levels in the body when the experiential effects have mostly ended, indicating that acute tolerance has developed to the actions of MDMA. Taking additional supplements of MDMA at this point therefore produces higher concentrations of MDMA in the blood and brain than might be expected based on the perceived effects.

Metabolites of MDMA that have been identified in humans include 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA), 4-hydroxy-3-methoxy-methamphetamine (HMMA), 4-hydroxy-3-methoxyamphetamine (HMA), 3,4-dihydroxyamphetamine (DHA) (also called alpha-methyldopamine (α-Me-DA)), 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone (MDP2P), and N-hydroxy-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDOH). The contributions of these metabolites to the psychoactive and toxic effects of MDMA are an area of active research. 65% of MDMA is excreted unchanged in the urine (additionally 7% is metabolized into MDA) during the 24 hours after ingestion.[52]"


obviously, when you take a normal dose, you won't experience much from that. but at high doses of half a gram + it's very common to experience trip like visuals after you peak


@george ya i was referring to your post:

"Anyway, what she's describing is basically impossible. Molly must've been seriously chopped up. Might have just been filler, but must have been cut heavily if was in fact still molly.

Why I asked about effects. She would've been puking and completely laid out if she took that much pure molly on her first roll ever. Wouldn't have been able to function enough to take anymore. The first dose alone would have her retarded. Sorry, not possible."

if you meant that then sorry, wasn't necessarily callin you out, alot of people say the same thing though that you didn't take mdma etc in situations like these. hows nexium? i drank black tea yesterday and experience a weird feeling. i have never heard of anything like that til you mentioned it!
but btw never heard of mdma being diluted as if i opened a wet bag i'd flip my shit

 

[bluedusk]

I would just like to say that i have experienced most of what you say on a daily, even before i started doing any sort of drug. Doctors and Therapists have always told me i was just "stressed" even though i never felt like i was, Marijuana seriously made it worse and again i did not realise this until i quit and tried smoking once again.

I experience chest pains all the time, and though it's not very enjoyable i do understand that it's an anxiety/stress thing and it has no negative physical effects and can NOT hurt me for the worst.

If it's really that bad for you, take a suggestion from above and try finding some benzo's for a short term relief, preferabely something a little longer acting. If it doesn't improve after a week or so of taking them i seriously reccommend stopping and investing money for a therapist, i know they are brutally expensive and i am very grateful to have free treatment.

 

[vividXX]

I had an unidentified non-stop HORRID dry cough for 10 years until the docs figured out it was reflux, so I know where you're coming from. I take Nexium everyday, which many people do, and it's not harmful. It heps tremendously. Also, watch out for any kind of black tea...for me it's the absolute worst for reflux. I've had to switch to drinking mainly water with all my meals because everything else is acidic. Reflux really sux. :-(

Also, not sure if you're referring to me Molly 897, but I wasn't suggesting she didn't take mdma. I was saying it must have been cut...not necessarily with any active ingredient, just filler to dilute it. It would've been easier to understand what it was if we could get more detail on how it made her feel during the roll.

Well, at first I was sitting on my computer in my room much like I am at this very moment and felt my vision got blurry for a second so I looked up and noticed everything felt clearer and pure. I stood up and began walking around rubbing my hands together because it felt good. I then announced that it was starting to kick in. I felt a lot of energy and complete and total bliss mentally. I kept popping my jaw because it felt good and smoked waaay to many cigarettes. I was really really happy but didn't feel like I was fucked up out of my mind. My heart was pounding pretty fast but I wasn't sweating that much because it was fairly cold were we were at.

My anxiety has pretty much diminished. It's just mood swings, the sleep problems kind of fixed themselves but not all the way. Now I just go in and out of depression and nothing really feels real. Like, I am stoned but not in a good way. I have been taking the 5-htp more and more it's been about 5 days now so I hope I see some changes within the next few days. I guess it is depersonalization but I don't really get the 3rd person perspective and I am not completely out of my mind. I can function at work, study for school, and act normal around my friends it's just my thought process and all around feeling I have about my surroundings as I go to through my daily routines. I feel like my whole world is shifted. But sometimes, usually at night I am perfectly fine. Everything feels completely normal. This whole thing has morphed it self into different phases.

 

[georgewc2001]

I have eaten 1.4 grams of molly in the span of 12 hours. it is not impossible. pure molly is near impossible to OD on, but it gets metabolized as MDA, so three hours in, at a .5/gram dose, you begin to trip and hallucinate balls. YOU WILL THROW UP, yes. but you will survive, and have a great time. you will suffer immensely after, but you will survive.

Molly897...I never said it was impossible for you, but the OP said she took a huge amount for it only being like her 2nd or 3rd roll. What I meant by impossible is basically what you described...she would be puking it out before she could take anymore. Or, she would be too floored to take anymore. And, believe me, I know it's next to impossible to OD on clean mdma. If it were possible, I'd be dead. I myself am also a poster child for mdma abuse.

VividXX...based on the effects you described, it sounds like you took clean mdma, but there is no way it wasn't cut (again, probably some filler, not anything active). You would've been way more fucked up if it were 600mg of pure mdma. And, by the way, I also tend to feel just fine at night time when I'm in e withdrawl.

I have a theory, and it's only theory because I'm not a doctor. My theory is that because your seratonin is low after e use, it's not uncommon to feel like shit (ie depressed) in the morning because the seratonin in your brain is used up while you're sleeping. Seratonin plays a big role in sleep. As the day progresses, your levels rise again before being depleted again while you sleep. Ordinary people wouldn't experience this because their levels wouldn't be low from doing e.

This has been the only way I can explain why after doing lots of e, for weeks, I'll wake up completely depressed and feeling like shit in the morning. Then, by night time, I feel great. Keep trying the 5-htp. Eventually, your seratonin levels will balance out.

 

[molly897]

Molly897...I never said it was impossible for you, but the OP said she took a huge amount for it only being like her 2nd or 3rd roll. What I meant by impossible is basically what you described...she would be puking it out before she could take anymore. Or, she would be too floored to take anymore. And, believe me, I know it's next to impossible to OD on clean mdma. If it were possible, I'd be dead. I myself am also a poster child for mdma abuse.

VividXX...based on the effects you described, it sounds like you took clean mdma, but there is no way it wasn't cut (again, probably some filler, not anything active). You would've been way more fucked up if it were 600mg of pure mdma. And, by the way, I also tend to feel just fine at night time when I'm in e withdrawl.

I have a theory, and it's only theory because I'm not a doctor. My theory is that because your seratonin is low after e use, it's not uncommon to feel like shit (ie depressed) in the morning because the seratonin in your brain is used up while you're sleeping. Seratonin plays a big role in sleep. As the day progresses, your levels rise again before being depleted again while you sleep. Ordinary people wouldn't experience this because their levels wouldn't be low from doing e.

This has been the only way I can explain why after doing lots of e, for weeks, I'll wake up completely depressed and feeling like shit in the morning. Then, by night time, I feel great. Keep trying the 5-htp. Eventually, your seratonin levels will balance out.

ok well that's not what your post indicates by impossible at first read, my apologies

OP really doesn;t give a shit what i say though so i'm outie. sorry to hear you ate so much mdma too.

 

[its.euphoric]

Milks is baddd!!! Don't listen to what you have heard about it before, it is bad for you.. nothing good comes from it.. except maybe protein. Which isn't actually good considering the average american gets wayy more protein in their diet than is needed. Many people say Ohh calcium.. but the fact is that the animal protein in the milk doesn't give you any benefits from the calcium. Stay away from milk. I could go on and on about why you shouldn't drink it, but I really don't feel like copy and pasting sources and writing it all out. The point is.. Milk isn't a healthy substance, and just don't drink it.

 

[its.euphoric]

if you really want to start feeling better.. Go on a raw diet, of fruits and veggies, very low fat << that's very important if you are eating lots of fruits. high fat plus high sugar content (in fruits) is bad.
Stay on it for a month or so and see how you feel.

Eat most of your calories from things like bananas and mangos and apples. You can eat some nuts and things for healthy fats but very little. Well.. yeah, if you really feel like you've tried everything and don't feel like you're getting anywhere, try this.

 

[vividXX]

ok well that's not what your post indicates by impossible at first read, my apologies

OP really doesn;t give a shit what i say though so i'm outie. sorry to hear you ate so much mdma too.

I don't not give a shit about what you said. I guess it's nice to know I am not alone.

 

[georgewc2001]

Its.euphoric, do you have a degree of some kind in nutrition or are you a dietitian? If not, please be careful giving advice on diet and nutrition to people.

We are what we eat and many health problems can develop or be made worse through improper dieting. What is good for you may not be good for someone else.

Moderation is the key for everyone, so I'd leave it at that. Otherwise, people can misinterpret what you're saying or try to follow what you're saying incorrectly.

 

[vividXX]

Sooo no more advice? I guess this thread is dead then. Just to know my Htp-I've been taking for a week now. Seems to be working. Hope everything is well within the next few weeks. I can sleep and eat, and mood is still pretty low but a lot better than it has been.

 

[gorillathunder]

On another note, whatever you do, my advice is do not smoke any more weed. After years of mdma use and abuse, I can no longer smoke weed without a panic attack. It just triggers a paranoia that leads straight to the negative thought process that causes panic attacks.

I'm glad this was posted... In the past year I've used marijuana heavily and also ecstasy 6-8 times. I'm 30 days clean now and part of me wants to smoke again inspite of the paranoia and pAnic. I'm also skeptical if I can ever use cannabis again and not experience negative effects, paranoia, and anxiety. I'm interested to know if any bluelighters can relate or have been able to have a happy medium with ecstasy and marijuana.

 

[its.euphoric]

Its.euphoric, do you have a degree of some kind in nutrition or are you a dietitian? If not, please be careful giving advice on diet and nutrition to people.

We are what we eat and many health problems can develop or be made worse through improper dieting. What is good for you may not be good for someone else.

Moderation is the key for everyone, so I'd leave it at that. Otherwise, people can misinterpret what you're saying or try to follow what you're saying incorrectly.

Noo I'm not. This is from many well known dietitians though. Obviously do more research before you would do anything. This is just getting the idea out there so you know.
Raw works for everyone. I mean.. seriously. This isn't something I just made up. There is a lot of science behind it. And are you implying that eating raw is "improper" or that it's bad? You serious?
You clearly don't know much about how important the right food is on your well being. Bad diet leads to so much more than being overweight or diabetes. And what you may think is a good diet, is probably still bad.

Sure moderation is key.. but that doesn't apply to everything. Not if you're trying to get over something serious. Telling someone to just go eat fruits and veggies.. really will not help. You have to really commit if you want to see results. Eating one healthy thing while you're still on a bad diet while your body is still full of toxins, will not change a thing.

And I'm not just coming up with this stuff out of no where. You can research it yourself and actual M.D's have realized that nutrition plays a HUGE roll in how you feel mentally and physically. So sure I don't have a license or anything, but does it really matter if I'm getting my information from a doctor?

 

[georgewc2001]

Nutrition in America Rant

if you really want to start feeling better.. Go on a raw diet, of fruits and veggies, very low fat << that's very important if you are eating lots of fruits. high fat plus high sugar content (in fruits) is bad.
Stay on it for a month or so and see how you feel.

Eat most of your calories from things like bananas and mangos and apples. You can eat some nuts and things for healthy fats but very little. Well.. yeah, if you really feel like you've tried everything and don't feel like you're getting anywhere, try this.

Look, I'm a fellow health nut. I've spent hours and hours doing research and, more importantly, I have a ton of personal experience, which is IMO more important than anything. I have gone through trial and error and reaped the rewards as well as had some consequences.

Nothing wrong with eating raw fruits and veggies as long as they're washed, but as you alluded to, fats are an important part of diet too. However, I wouldn't suggest to anyone to get most of their calories from bananas, mangos and apples. In fact, mangos are one the fruits that are higher in sugar.

A balanced diet is best to focus on, one which consists of 40% protein/40% carbs/20% fats. This is optimal for the average healthy person, but there are so many different variables like metabolism, allergies, level of physical activity, etc.

I don't think anyone would argue that fruits and veggies are healthy, and I think eating natural organic fresh food is the way to go, but it really is war out there because there's so many companies putting out products that may be low in fat but high in sugar. Or, they may be low in fat and sugar but loaded with sodium.

Americans really are being given the shaft when it comes to their diet. It's bad out there. I think the best thing someone can do for themself is start with exercise. Trying to diet without exercise is hard for even the biggest health nut. It's exercise that stimulates the body's craving for healthy food because that's what it needs as a result of physical activity.

My advice is always to start with exercise and go from there. Other than that, follow the 40/40/20 ratio, eat fresh natural foods in moderately portioned frequent meals to keep the metabolism up, and read all labels for sodium, fat, and sugar content...these days, sodium especially.

Anyway, I'm not trying to get on your case, I applaud anyone for trying to motive others to eat more healthy. It's something I'm very passionate about as I see so many people being taken advantage of by America's food corporations putting out for lack of a better word...poison. Obeisity and being overweight is now responsible for more health problems in America than smoking and heart disease will soon be a child health issue!

 

[vividXX]

Just to update everyone I have been feeling much better over the past few days. The only thing that is really still bothersome is my sleep hasn't 100% returned to normal. But I am getting at least 5-7 hours of sleep unlike before when I was lucky to get 2-5. I guess time the fish oil and mostly the 5-htp has helped. I appreciate all of the advice and will not mess with mdma for a long looonnnggg time maybe not ever again.

 

[Monkeybizness]

i honestly think its all in your head
.9g of molly isnt gonna be enough to completely fuck your brain up beyond repair

This right here. Its all a mental state . You have to be strong minded to handle drugs. Not everyone can do hard drugs. Maybe you shouldn't do x anymore.

In the road of experimenting with drugs, you get scared, you get cracked out, you feel bad, you can over do it. You will have great rolls you will get piped you have to be mentally ready and know that your UNDER THE INFLUENCE of what ever you maybe on. Take your mind of it and forget it. Yoga can help a lot with breathing, relaxation, and mental stability.

For now stop experimenting

 

[vividXX]

Yeah, I am not the most mentally strong of people. I have always had depression problems and I worry more than most people do. I don't think this thing was ALL in my head but at least half.

 

[its.euphoric]

Look, I'm a fellow health nut. I've spent hours and hours doing research and, more importantly, I have a ton of personal experience, which is IMO more important than anything. I have gone through trial and error and reaped the rewards as well as had some consequences.

Nothing wrong with eating raw fruits and veggies as long as they're washed, but as you alluded to, fats are an important part of diet too. However, I wouldn't suggest to anyone to get most of their calories from bananas, mangos and apples. In fact, mangos are one the fruits that are higher in sugar.

A balanced diet is best to focus on, one which consists of 40% protein/40% carbs/20% fats. This is optimal for the average healthy person, but there are so many different variables like metabolism, allergies, level of physical activity, etc.

I don't think anyone would argue that fruits and veggies are healthy, and I think eating natural organic fresh food is the way to go, but it really is war out there because there's so many companies putting out products that may be low in fat but high in sugar. Or, they may be low in fat and sugar but loaded with sodium.

Americans really are being given the shaft when it comes to their diet. It's bad out there. I think the best thing someone can do for themself is start with exercise. Trying to diet without exercise is hard for even the biggest health nut. It's exercise that stimulates the body's craving for healthy food because that's what it needs as a result of physical activity.

My advice is always to start with exercise and go from there. Other than that, follow the 40/40/20 ratio, eat fresh natural foods in moderately portioned frequent meals to keep the metabolism up, and read all labels for sodium, fat, and sugar content...these days, sodium especially.

Anyway, I'm not trying to get on your case, I applaud anyone for trying to motive others to eat more healthy. It's something I'm very passionate about as I see so many people being taken advantage of by America's food corporations putting out for lack of a better word...poison. Obeisity and being overweight is now responsible for more health problems in America than smoking and heart disease will soon be a child health issue!

I think it has even more than just those though. I was reading how alzheimers and brain deterioration is NOT a normal part of aging. I think a huge reason why it's become so common is because of poor diet. Same thing with many other mental illnesses like adhd, even depression.

and to OP I'm glad you're feeling better.

 

[georgewc2001]

I'd be interested as to what the rates of alzhiemers and brain deterioration are in countries with healthier, fresher food.

Too many people don't speak up for themselves enough either. When I buy food, order out, eat out, etc., I don't accept when garbage is served up to me. Number one, I'm paying for it, and number two, it's not that hard to prepare fresh food.

Gordon Ramsey hit the nail on the head with his show not because he's a genius but because he noticed the state of food being served at so many restaurants...it's horrific. What's even more horrific is that nobody says anything.

My friends started out thinking I was a picky, whiney, complaining asshole, but since then, they've actually thanked me for opening up their eyes to what's happening. It's your body, so don't accept the garbage that restaurants or whoever would otherwise have you shovel down your throat. Speak up! Ok, I'll stop before I get too carried away here