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Scopalamine

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I live in Toronto Ontario

I was wondering if anyone could give me a product that they sell here that
contains, scopalamine, (<--- spelling?) , and would be safe to take in the dose needed.

How many pills would I need to take for a good first time deliriant/hallucinogen.
 
Please see https://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=4833 and to a lesser extent https://dmt-nexus.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=4671

Summed up, Datura inoxia contains on average 44% (edit oops, confused myself... ron says 0.44% actually) scopolamine, datura stramonium contains 19% scopolamine. If I recall correctly datura stramonium alongside datura inoxia were both used in the medical profession for at least a couple hundred years. The seeds are the only part of the plant to contain a consistent level of the tropanes. Ron goes over a lot of the uses as well, very helpful little buggers.

edit 2: ah, here we are... "3 Datura inoxia seeds very effectively reduce anxiety. The main ingredient, scopolamine (97% of the alkaloid mix in the seeds)". the 0.44% is the percentage of scopolamine in the weight of the whole seed. The 19% is also only considering the weight of the alkaloids in the datura stramonium. Gosh. Sorry for a confusing post.

edit 3: Ack. I didn't read to the bottom of your post. Do NOT take enough of these to "trip", you will end up in the hospital. You WILL.
 
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That is diphenhydramine I believe. If you take enough of that you will likely end up in the hospital too. Deliriants suck dude. You don't realize you were fucked up or tripping until after you come down, and thats days later. And chances are you fucked up everything in your life. It is as bad or worse than huffing whatever.

Please don't. Seek out some mushrooms or something.
 
I didn't read to the bottom of your post. Do NOT take enough of these to "trip", you will end up in the hospital. You WILL.

or jail, or both. Look through the TR's on Erowid for some typical experiences. Just for an example, in datura reports there are 8 reports in the Mystical & Glowing Experiences sections, 48 in Train Wrecks & Trip Disasters, 25 in Health Problems, 23 in Bad Trips, and 83 in Difficult Experiences. If you read them most end up in a trip to jail or the hospital or both. Nothing like coming out of a blackout handcuffed to a hospital bed in a psych ward!

Also, diphenhydramine, the active ingredient in benadryl, can cause similar delirious states, but is generally regarded as unpleasant and in high doses results in frequent hospital trips, arrests, ect.
 
there are some out of this world datura stories over in erowid. I suggest you go read the train wrecks they are very interesting but will most likely make you not want to go anywhere near datura.
 
datura is the worst. I remember I tried it way back when i was 14... The absolute worst man, a truly disgusting body high, sleep for 50 hours out of the 72 I was fucked up, the worst cotton mouth that can be imagined, to the point where it makes any liquids taste like shit, and confusion to the point where it makes you extremely angry. Avoid at all costs man I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemies
 
I have read 30 plus trip reports, i am still very interested.

I have researched various delirients.

Even a low dose wouldnt be enjoyable?
 
I have read 30 plus trip reports, i am still very interested.

I have researched various delirients.

Scopolamine is incredibly dose-sensitive and it has the unique effect of making you forget you've taken it. This can lead to redosing and overdoses. If you want to experience delirium, use DPH or amanitas (do not use both together).

And be fucking careful. Delirium is pretty much the most helpless state a human can be in, and also the most destructive.
 
I have read 30 plus trip reports, i am still very interested.

I have researched various delirients.

Even a low dose wouldnt be enjoyable?

I'd say it like this: I would never recommend to somebody to stay away from crack, but I will do my best to stop everybody from taking datura. Its the worst man, if for whatever reason you have to take a delirient I would recommend just eating a handful of benadryl... Same shitty, shitty effects but you'll probably be down by the next morning, with your lesson learned, unlike with datura, which easily makes you live that hell for 2-3 days at a time
 
Hmm, I quite like the effects of datura/brugmansia's myself....But I would agree that using a synthetic anticholinergic (like dipenhydramine) is safer, as you can dose very accurately.

I have witnessed extreme delerium/mania and its fucking bizarre and very frightening. I don't personally reccomend anyone do anything really, least of all ingesting a deleriant.

But you will find scopolamine (and promethazine or hyoscine or blah) in many travel sickness tablets.
 
willow what do you mean you like the effects of datura im just curious, what exactly do you like about it?
 
That is diphenhydramine I believe. If you take enough of that you will likely end up in the hospital too.

Yeah, that is diph. Though a hospital visit isn't always guaranteed; I did end up in one though earlier this year due to it though. Caused a seizure.

Still, it's much safer than taking datura. I don't really recommend it though in the name of harm reduction.
 
willow what do you mean you like the effects of datura im just curious, what exactly do you like about it?

Good question :D

I find the effects to be quite relaxing; very sedating at least; I also find that my mind is relatively clear, and I can accept the hallucinations more readily, and with true belief in them. I've also used it in ayahuasca-style brews, and it does reduce nausea and excessive stimulation.

I'm also a lucid dreamer, and using "deleriants" has helped me figure out better ways to navigate these dream states.

Its one of the few plant/drugs that I accept as magickal- the effects are so profound and real that I find it hard to believe that these drugs merely invoke a delerious state. Perhaps they unlock a new form of perception in the user; a form of perception that is essentially as real as 'sober' perception.

That said, I don't use these drugs much- in deleriant doses, though I do take small doses most days/nights. Helps with sleep- and helps with dreams.

I have seen possibly the most deranged person ever, while he was on a strong datura blend and DiPT- that fucking terrified me. No human lay behind his eyes. We helped him as best we could, but he was as far out as I've seen a soul.

If you were going to take a deleriant, you need people around you to be aware that you have done so. You also need to be able to trust these people; a deleriant doesn't neccesarily make one delusional, though one is inclined to act on any thought-warps that arise.

I used to be fervently against deleriants until I actually tried them. I detest the physical effects, but I have had some success in using amanita muscaria to control the dry mouth, inabilty to urinate and feverishness.

Use caution and if not, don't use at all. :)
 
I have seen possibly the most deranged person ever, while he was on a strong datura blend and DiPT- that fucking terrified me. No human lay behind his eyes. We helped him as best we could, but he was as far out as I've seen a soul.
I would love to hear that story, though it might be a bit off topic in this thread :)
The tropane deliriants are very fascinating to me, but I doubt I'll ever use them for anything besides sleeplessness and nausea.
 
I have read 30 plus trip reports, i am still very interested.

I have researched various delirients.

Even a low dose wouldnt be enjoyable?

Deliriants are not enjoyable, simple as that. There are three groups of hallucinogen, psychedelics, dissociatives and deliriants.

Psychedelics produce extreme euphoria, heightened senses, and altered perception, time dilation, etc. They are a very ecstatic experience and very useful.

Dissociatives switch off part of the brain, most have an effect on serotonin so produce some euphoria - but usually nothing near that of psychedelics, however the dissociation can produce out of body and near death experiences, which can provide incredible insight to the user, making them very useful and interesting.

Deliriants effectively turn you into a zombie, and in fact in some places they have been used to permanently keep people in a trance state where they can be ordered about with no control. You will have vivid visual and audio hallucinations however rather than seeing them as hallucinations you will believe they are real, you may see a person who you is convinced is God and tells you to kill your family, you will understand that everything this person says is law, and you will do it. You will then wake up covered in blood, standing over your dead family members with no recollection of what happened.

- This is at the far end of the bad spectrum for deliriants, and not what is likely to happen, but it's an example of why they're very serious stuff, chances are you will do several things you regret to yourself or other people while under the influence. Deliriants do not produce euphoria in the traditional sense, at times they give a light buzz but I would compare it to something like a light caffeine buzz at best.
 
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