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2-Keto-PCE - First Time - Methoxetamine's retarded cousin

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This is basically Tiletamine with a phenyl instead of a thienyl ring.

I got the chance to try this one. I was *extremely* excited as it is the closest we have to a Ketamine analogue (but still very far)... you may be thinking of Methoxetamine now that the cat is out of the box, but the latter is actually thrice removed from Ketamine as far as structural modifactions go, while this one is twice removed.

So anyway, I had no idea at what dose to start so I decided to start very low at 3mg. This was taken rectally. Nothing of note was felt, and so 5mg was taken at T+30min. Shortly after that, a definite dissociative "weirdness" was felt. It was very similar to PCP's dissociation - ie. significant confusion, with a slight "background noise" anaesthesia (which is not as all-engulfing as with ketamine or nitrous). Unlike PCP though, there was no euphoria or mania whatsoever, and that was instead replaced with a lethargic restlessness of sorts - making it useless as an introspective tool, useless as a euphoriant, and useless as a performance drug.

This state lasted about 3 hours, fluctuating in intensity. Around the 4h point, I felt a distinct drop in the dissociative effects, accompanied by a distinct rise in... something else.

It felt very much like a very dirty serotonergic psychedelic - maybe even specifically tryptamine - comeup, which was anxiogenic, confusing, and with significant discombobulation in thought process and social contact. At that point I was convinced that I somehow managed to get some kind of tryptamine into my body. There was a very heavy on-and-off body-vibration, and I found myself thrust into a panic-attack and things were not going anywere good anytime soon.

At this point I took 5mg of Diazepam and tried to ride out the remainder of the effects, which kept going strong for at least 2 more hours while slowly clearing off some 7 hours after the initial dose.

Neither I nor the friend who gave me the sample can decide on what happened exactly, but they told me for sure that a fresh paper was used to weigh the pure material on. Needless to say, I do not intend to touch this chemical ever again :). It is far inferior to basically all arylcyclohexamines that I've tasted so far and I can easily say that it is pretty useless for anything - except maybe to serve as warning that Tiletamine is not worth touching.

Anyway, sorry folks, no good news here. But if that's what you want, I had some very interesting experiences with plain PCE and documented them in another report which got quickly buried in this forum :).
 
I don't know what to think. I've had a few trials with 3-HO-PCP now and found it pretty pleasant, and that's after hugo and f&b experienced negative reactions. Additionally, I've had to go to 6 mg or over each time, either IM or insufflated, to experience anything significant, and that's with no dissociative or opiate tolerance, yet in Adder's report he mentions that 3 mg orally "knocked him out," .

My 3-MeO-PCP experiences have likewise varied in qualitative effects radically at the same dosage levels. I feel like these dissociatives are way too unpredictable to draw any conclusions about them until after four or five trials and some tryptamine combinations (as that's the only way I find IM ketamine worthwhile, and that's typically regarded as the best of them all, by the best ROA).
 
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I have yet to hear a GOOD report on this. It really is anxiogenic, and going by what I read of Tiletamine ("scary" is a common term in its descriptions), it seems that this one is not much better...

One thing I think everyone agrees about w.r.t. this one is that it simply doesn't have any "happy" effects to compensate for the negatives, therefore you'd probably need to be a masochist to try it so many times before you get something out of it.

That said, I most definitely agree that dissociatives, particularly K, have a "learning curve" of sorts.
 
Top marks for fitting anxiogenic in there whatever that means
And discombobulating have you ate the dictionary of strange words?
 
blauwelichten said:
Top marks for fitting anxiogenic in there whatever that means
And discombobulating have you ate the dictionary of strange words?
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In the age of the internet, learning new vocabulary is about 10 seconds away at dictionary.com. Reading comprehension scores are highly correlated with vocabulary and general knowledge, and the majority of human knowledge is in text format. Expand your vocabulary and you expand your mind.
 
those really aren't strange or uncommon words
anxio(anxiety)genic(generates/genesis) not hard to figure out.
 
Jamshyd said:
I have yet to hear a GOOD report on this. It really is anxiogenic, and going by what I read of Tiletamine ("scary" is a common term in its descriptions), it seems that this one is not much better...

One thing I think everyone agrees about w.r.t. this one is that it simply doesn't have any "happy" effects to compensate for the negatives, therefore you'd probably need to be a masochist to try it so many times before you get something out of it.

That said, I most definitely agree that dissociatives, particularly K, have a "learning curve" of sorts.
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I've tried DPH a bunch of times, dysphoria doesn't even bother me anymore. It's also changed the way I view drugs. I don't have to necessarily enjoy the drug, if that makes sense. I'm interested in the mental state. At this point, I'm certain that this is a sincere desire since I still get value from experiences that were not pleasant. And I repeated those experiences, knowing that it would be unpleasant. This drug might be worth exploring for me.

Did you try a variety of activities to get a sense of any unique areas that this drug might enhance or alter in interesting ways? Unless this was utterly negative and hellish in a debilitating way that made even recreational tasks unenjoyable, there might still be some worth to it. Somewhere. In my case, DPH generates some of the most enjoyable linguistic and musical exploration I've had. I can think up poetry more bizarre than I ever would while sober or on another substance.

If you haven't, try doing many different tasks on this drug to see what you can get. Move from task to task.

But, I don't blame you if you don't want to try this. I haven't even ingested the drug myself, so I don't know, it could be as worthless as you say.
 
I've had dysphoric experiences with ketamine(altho far less that anyother at this point). Dissociatives can go either way, a bad dissociative trip is still way better than a bad psychedelic trip IMO. It helps me to usually have some phat EDM/ambient music going(for any type of trip really), it reminds me that I'm in a happy place rather than a "what the fuck is going on"type place.
 
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Top marks for fitting anxiogenic in there whatever that means
And discombobulating have you ate the dictionary of strange words?
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Those terms don't seem unwieldily esoteric, and, well, you have such a dictionary right at your fingertips too. ;)

ebola
 
phew said:
I've tried DPH a bunch of times, dysphoria doesn't even bother me anymore. It's also changed the way I view drugs. I don't have to necessarily enjoy the drug, if that makes sense. I'm interested in the mental state. At this point, I'm certain that this is a sincere desire since I still get value from experiences that were not pleasant. And I repeated those experiences, knowing that it would be unpleasant. This drug might be worth exploring for me.

Did you try a variety of activities to get a sense of any unique areas that this drug might enhance or alter in interesting ways? Unless this was utterly negative and hellish in a debilitating way that made even recreational tasks unenjoyable, there might still be some worth to it. Somewhere. In my case, DPH generates some of the most enjoyable linguistic and musical exploration I've had. I can think up poetry more bizarre than I ever would while sober or on another substance.

If you haven't, try doing many different tasks on this drug to see what you can get. Move from task to task.

But, I don't blame you if you don't want to try this. I haven't even ingested the drug myself, so I don't know, it could be as worthless as you say.
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I know you say the euphoria/dysphoria balancedoesn't bother you, but I would caution to keep away from the likes of dizocilpine/MK-801 as they cause so much disruption of the creating memories process that they're not worth getting involved with (after all, where's the value in having a life changing experience, then not being able to remember it - that way lies madness & unhappiness).

PS if one wants to see words being used, not to help, but to hinder, look up some episides of the UK sitcom 'Yes Minister'. Words used as weapons to disoreintate, confuse the enemy (civil service vs government) - basically to stop them doing what they want & you don't. Also one of the funniest sitcoms I've ever seen - a must for people interested/in love with the English language & twisted logic!
 
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that's what i thought too, yuck. PHEW, u must b a very unique individual to get the fx u describe from benadryl.
 
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