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Benzalkonium chloride

Jamshyd

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Yes, out friend, the germicidal ubiquitous to a lot of Ketamine (and other) vials.

I have a few questions.

A lot of Ketamine is sold as dehydrated powder. I assume the BAC also forms crystals as well? If so, would it retain its germicidal action once rehydrated? Does this mean that most powdered Ketamine is inherently antiseptic?

Also, what do we know about BAC's toxicity, if any? Could it be the culprit in Ketamine's renal issues?
 
ADBAC is highly toxic to fish (LC50 = 280 μg ai/L), very highly toxic to aquatic invertebrates (LC50 = 5.9 μg ai/L), moderately toxic to birds (LD50 = 136 mg/kg-bw), and slightly toxic to mammals (LD50 = 430 mg/kg-bw).[4] Benzalkonium chloride solutions of 10% or more are toxic to humans, causing irritation to the skin and mucosa, and death if taken internally.[5]

Benzalkonium chloride is an allergen[6][7][8][9][10][11][12] and several studies have cast doubt on its reputation for safety.[13][14] Some products have been reformulated in light of this research, but it is still widely used in eyewashes, nasal sprays, hand and face washes, mouthwashes, spermicidal creams, and in various other cleaners, sanitizers, and disinfectants. Manufacturers of over-the-counter artificial tears and eye washes became concerned about chemical sensitivity from long-term daily use and have in some products substituted EDTA as a preservative. Some have packaged eye drops in single-use vials with no preservative[15] for sensitive eyes. There has also been concern that long-term use of benzalkonium as a preservative in nasal sprays may cause swelling of mucosa and lead to rhinitis medicamentosa.

Contact lens solutions typically contain 0.002% to 0.01% benzalkonium chloride.[16] K. C. Swan[17] found that repeated use of benzalkonium chloride at concentrations of 1:5000 (0.02%) or stronger can denature corneal protein and cause irreversible damage to the eye. Swan also found that 0.04% to 0.05% solutions of benzalkonium chloride can cause punctures of the corneal epithelium. The disadvantages of using benzalkonium chloride solutions with contact lenses are also discussed in the literature.[18] [19]

A disinfectant containing benzalkonium chloride and the related compound didecyldimethylammonium chloride (DDAC) has been identified as the most probable cause of birth defects and fertility problems in caged mice.[20]

A 2009 study has found that benzalkonium chloride, when used in less than lethal concentrations, resulted in an increased resistance to the disinfectant solution, and a 256-fold increase in resistance of the bacteria Pseudomonas aeruginosa to the ciprofloxacin antibiotic, even though the bacterial colonies had not been previously exposed to the antibiotic.[21]
from wikipedia
 
The really scary thing is the fluoroquinolone cross-resistance. They put this shit in shampoos.

It's possible to destroy the benzyl group with catalytic transfer hydrogenation, inactivating BAC. This would almost surely mess up the ketamine, though.
 
from wikipedia
I know about the wiki entry. It seems to be copy/pasted everywhere there is mention of this substance.

The really scary thing is the fluoroquinolone cross-resistance. They put this shit in shampoos.

It's possible to destroy the benzyl group with catalytic transfer hydrogenation, inactivating BAC. This would almost surely mess up the ketamine, though.
What destruction are you speaking of? I don't understand.

Hmmm... Maybe I will rethink getting those 500mg vials...

Well gee, that was helpful.

Can anyone please answer my questions?
 

What destruction are you speaking of? I don't understand.

I was referring to decomposing benzalkonium chloride. It'd probably be more productive to separate it from your ketamine by other methods, though, that's just the first thing that came to mind.

I assume the BAC also forms crystals as well? If so, would it retain its germicidal action once rehydrated?

Second question: Yes, but concentrated solutions of benzalkonium chloride are quite toxic!

First question: I think we'd see more toxic reactions if this were the case, come to think of it.

Does this mean that most powdered Ketamine is inherently antiseptic?
I have a feeling that the chance of bacteria growing in ketamine is pretty damn low, benzalkonium chloride or not.
 
Pd/C + hydrogen gas (the standard method for cleaving off a benzyl-group) could lead to dehalogenation of ketamine.

- Murphy
 
^ LORD no! That would leave us with yet-another-useless tiletamine analogue ;). But if I am not mistaken, people are probably more inclined to use the method you speak of in a more, uh, lucrative fashion than breaking down benzalkonium chloride, lol.

Honestly, I wasn't looking to remove it - I was just wondering if people who inject powdered ketamine (assuming it hasn't been cut) are somehow less susceptible to infection than people who inject other substances that don't come with their own little germicidal friends.

That said, I would really like to see any data on the toxicity. I know that some other topical germicides are also nephrotoxic. I wonder if BA shares the same property when taken in huge doses?
 
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