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Do psychedelics have a valid roll in society?

I gave him the benefit of the doubt and took it as a delicious pun, actually. :D

Keep in mind that often people posting on bluelight have had a joint or two or whatever, and are just shooting the shit in a friendly way most of the time. Spelling errors aren't any type of valid indicator of age or intelligence. That's just silly, there are tons of people who are brilliant and quite capable but not gifted in linguistics.

As an extreme example, one of my professors is a world-renowned polymer chemist that is so dyslexic he often misspells the word 'polymer'! (in all sorts of different goofy permutations). :D But despite his linguistic handicap, he has impeccable visuospatial ability and has the ability to think about problems in very unique ways. I'm sure he would never trade his personal strong suit for an ability as common as accurate spelling.

I guess my point is this: it's easy to sound intelligent on the board by writing eloquently and whatnot-- but what really matters is the content. In the OP's case, I think the question was thought-provoking and valid-- so let us forgive him of his minor spelling mistake and make the best out of this thread-- it seems to have a lot of potential for interesting discussion. :)

I was just giving him a little ribbing... I realize to complain about spelling is especially shallow. (Although "l" is quite far from "e" on the keyboard so it was definitely not a slip of the finger, I'm sure he meant to use "roll"... I don't think a buzz would result in that error either... that's why I suggested maybe English being a 2nd language... homonym substitutions being very common in such a circumstance when writing is involved... oh crap, here I go again, sorry! I guess actually I find the error interesting... I'll presume it was an intended pun)

Not to throw cold water on what, you are right, is a very interesting question.

My view on their "roll" is that psychedelics are like molecules of a chemical catalyst, which usually need only tiny amounts to speed up a large volume of chemical reaction.

Our minds normally fixate on certain patterns of seeing things and believing things and functioning in general. Which would lead to an extremely rigid, angry, punitive society that would try to punish those who saw or believed differently.

But psychedelics loosen thing up in the few who do them, allowing much more flexible ideas and attitudes. Since we are such an intensely social species, others see these "Far Better Ideas" that those with freed thinking have had and they spread like wildfire.

Not just better ideas had during the experience, but in creating a more expansive view of things, they engender more flexible thinking patterns after coming down. They make you smarter and more LIKELY to have good ideas.

I also recall the huge power of the Sense Of Wonder effect. Before, I was just plodding along my path in life, but the experiences showed me so much about how miraculous our existence is, that I emerged with a far greater enthusiasm and energy.

I also grew a new level of empathy and compassion for the suffering and feelings of others.

In all these ways, the Awakened, Psychedelicized individual becomes much more creative and dynamic and open to new ideas and new ways of being, plus more accepting of others' differences.

Then, being such a social species, the Far Better Ideas that sprout from us take root in others and spread, affecting everyone without their even realizing it.

ALSO: I think they have been around so long that they must have had a major effect on us as a species. SOOOO many great new viewpoints and ideas, our culture would be a far more boring, fascistic place without them. But also I think we would have physically evolved differently.

Some animals do not appear to respond to psychedelics, hence one could suggest it is a response that evolution learned. Those populations whose brains did not respond to them were possibly more stupid and rigid, being without the synergistic benefits of even a few people using them then spreading their superior ways of thinking, and died off.

Didn't Terrence McKenna propose that mushrooms may be responsible for kindling the very development of language itself?

I saw on some nature special that it is believed an exceedingly tiny number of homo sapiens made it thru the last great ice age... they found artifacts in some caves in the cliffs of one of the few areas that would have remained temperate. Maybe a mere few thousands of us. So perhaps as it started getting colder, a small population of homo sapiens who had become more creative thinkers due to exposure to mushrooms had enough clever ideas to live thru the ice age. Also obviously the survivors had developed language, maybe due to psychedelics, necessary to think and plan and especially communicate "Hey Ogg... it's gotten alot colder since my grandfather was around... maybe we better start making plans and preparations to move south... Oh and go tell that other tribe across the valley what we're doing and suggest that they move too."
 
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> Do psychedelics have a valid roll in society?

Only if you are aware that "roll" is a distinct and quite different word from "role."

Someone else made the same error in a post, Geez how old are you people? Or is English your 2nd language? Did you flunk out of grammar school?

[Sorry, sometimes I transform into a persnickedy old school marm!]


I hate when people feel the need to correct spelling mistakes on the internet. If you can understand what the person intended to say, then there's really no need for correction, and more importantly no one asked for anyone to step into the ROLE of bus patrol. No one's getting graded here, and half the time people are possibly posting from a mobile device with a tiny keyboard and an over aggressive spellchecker. Or, as is often the case with me, the person prob isn't 100% sober when posting here...or even more likely, the person is just typing fast to get the thought out and didn't notice the error. When I am on aim, I've noticed myself accidentally substitute no for know, or there for their, or any number of homonyms by accident and I graduated with near perfect marks as an English major. Ugh...now I feel pretty unpsychedelic after responding to this...by responding I became what I hate. :(
 
Yea I forgot about the auto complete making it easy to substitute the wrong word... I dunno, I guess I was in a picky mood when I posted that.. I deleted it. I'd like to say "Sorry" to tommy34, this is a great question for a thread!
 
Yea I forgot about the auto complete making it easy to substitute the wrong word... I dunno, I guess I was in a picky mood when I posted that.. I deleted it. I'd like to say "Sorry" to tommy34, this is a great question for a thread!

Its all good. There was no pun intended and my first language is English I am just a bad speller plain and simple and I am extra lazy when posting on the internet. But thank you for your input :)

Exactly, well said. Psychedelics should play an important role in bringing about love in society but instead they have turned all things psychedelic into a funny/dirty hippie/counter culture mess.

Psychedelics don't have to be consumed by everyone for love to be felt my many.
"Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared. "
 
People want to take substances... fact all around the world fact

of course they matter and have a valid role, people risk their freedom just to supply them to others, why would we all be so driven if not for something we felt was worth that risk!

let them grow!
 
I know the context is clear, but I see this thread pop up often when I hit the "new posts" button, and for whatever reason it has irked me. sorry to deviate from the topic...

as far as that goes, yes, when used properly, I agree that psychs have a role to play. they aren't for everyone obviously, but even for purely scientific reasons they are worth study.
 
OK, time to spill the beans... I'm a little shocked that with all the psychedelic "experts" here not one has mentioned the following:

Well they clearly have a role. They were instrumental in inventing it!!!

Before there really was much "society" as we define it, ancient cultures were using psychedelics as an "inner space probe" to learn about the nature of their own minds. I have little doubt that this had a huge impact on our development as a species, and the development of our culture(s).

In fact, the very INVENTORS OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION ITSELF (the Ancient Greeks, who first devised mathematics, geometry, logic, astronomy, architecture, philosophy, democracy, etc etc) had been participating in "Mystery Rituals", in which people were given doses of psychedelics. In fact the substance they used, an Ergot Fungus, was the basis for Albert Hoffman's investigations leading to LSD. Starting to see some dots connecting?

Google [ancient greek psychedelics] for LOTS of information. The first, and among the best links is:

The Psychedelic [in] Society: A Brief Cultural History of Tripping

http://www.psychedelicadventures.com/BriefHistory.htm

For your convenience, here is an especially pertinent passage:

Well, the fact is that human beings will always want to suspend everyday reality, be it by legal means or otherwise, and they will always be at least curious about alternate states of consciousness, especially those that are consecrated in many of the world’s ancient traditions.

Veneration for the induced visionary experience has roots in virtually every culture on earth, however sublimated or repressed it is today. In fact, one could argue that the use of visionary plants and hallowed drafts has been seminal to the development of civilization. Two of the most pervasive and influential cultures the planet has ever seen, that of Hellenistic Greece and Aryan India, contained at their very core inspirations derived from the ingestion of psychedelic concoctions.

For two thousand years before its eradication by Christians in the fourth century A.D., the celebration of the Eleusinian Mysteries was the peak-experience of the ancient Greeks, a “holy institution,” according to religion historian Huston Smith, for regularly opening ”a space in the human psyche for God to enter.” After a half year of rites, the pilgrimage to Eleusis just west of Athens climaxed with the re-enactment of a sacred drama that was enhanced by the drinking of kykeon, a grainy beverage beleived to contain barley ergot. Among notable initiates were Socrates, Plato, Sophocles, Aristotle, Aeschylus, Cicero, Pindar, and possibly Homer. A communion between gods and men, between the living and the dead, the ceremony at Eleusis was a symbolic journey to the underworld to claim back from death Persephone, the daughter of the grain goddess Demeter. The setting for this ur-psychedelic experience was a telesterion (initiation hall) at the very site where Persephone is said to have emerged from Hades with the newborn son she’d conceived in death there. A series of breathtaking, masterfully orchestrated special effects enthralled the senses and conjured the specter of deliverance from the forces of darkness through a ritualized resurrection. The whirlpool of stimuli that washed over initiates involved an Oz-like chimera of voices, music, perfumes, mists, light and shadows. At the peak of the crescendo, the “bellowing roar of a gong-like instrument that outdid…the mightiest thunderclap, coming from the bowels of the earth” announced the arrival of the queen of the netherworld.

All were forbidden by penalty of death to tell what they’d seen. According to Carl A.P. Ruck, co-author with R. Gordon Wasson of The Road to Eleusis (1978), “Even a poet could only say that he had seen the beginning and the end of life and known that they were one, something given by God. The division between earth and sky melted into a pillar of light.” Of course, some couldn’t hold their tongues about such a marvel. A scandal ensued when some aristocratic Athenians began celebrating the Mysteries at dinner parties in their homes with groups of “drunken” revelers. Socrates himself was tried and condemned for using the sacred brew recreationally. (Such a profanation of the holy potion might have a modern-day parallel in the spilling of LSD into the well water of the mass media and youth culture during the early Sixties).

Notably, the Mysteries were not freely conjured by anyone who could get their hands on the kykeon. They were the exclusive charge of two families who served as hierophants for two thousand years. Clearly, the indoctrination and rites leading up to the swigging of the mash were at least as influential as the concoction itself in weaving the phantasm that stole over the pilgrims’ senses. Such congregational participation and extensive preparation for a psychedelic experience is almost unheard of in the modern West. If anything like the Eleusinian Mysteries had survived the hi-tech world of today, it would almost certainly be diluted and profaned, taking the form of a commercialized adventure-tourism attraction involving a multimedia circus of light and sound somewhat akin to the group-mind experience of a Trips Festival or a rave. Re-creation of the kykeon brew has proved elusive, however, even to such consummate ergot specialists as Albert Hofmann, who used the fungus in his 1938 invention of LSD.
 
you have to be barmy to take take psychedelics, you need to cob on quick, or youll be bap in the crazy house again before you know it.

;)
 
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