6-apb vs methylone

[tropics]

If you tried both of pure quality, please tell me which one you love more and why.

How was it better too...

 

[McVonstein]

I think the term "pure 6-APB" is a bit of an oxymoron if I have been following it correctly. I do love methylone, however. Its only downside for me is the shirt duration.

 

[MrTiHKAL]

I think the term "pure 6-APB" is a bit of an oxymoron if I have been following it correctly. I do love methylone, however. Its only downside for me is the shirt duration.

How many shirts you get through on a good sesssion?

 

[glenjih]

How many shirts you get through on a good sesssion?

You've done a wonderful thing there.

 

[tropics]

So did anyone try both and can compare them?

Let's stay on topic please.

If I had 6-apb then I would know which I like better, but that will never happen cuz I'm Canadian.

 

[glenjih]

How do you define "better"? I have tried methylone, and didn't find it hugely euphoric. For me it was more of a warm, conversational drug.

However, some of the people who have tried 6-APB and had a good time claim that it isn't hugely dissimilar to MDMA. Anecdotal evidence suggests that the line between "not enough" and "too much" is very thin though.

 

[tropics]

How do you define "better"? I have tried methylone, and didn't find it hugely euphoric. For me it was more of a warm, conversational drug.

However, some of the people who have tried 6-APB and had a good time claim that it isn't hugely dissimilar to MDMA. Anecdotal evidence suggests that the line between "not enough" and "too much" is very thin though.

So are you saying that 6-apb is very similar to mdma?

 

[tropics]

I'm saying that some of the people who have tried it have compared it to MDMA. But it is literally impossible to predict the experience of another person on a specific compound.

My advice would be as follows- if you're going to try 6-APB then make sure you buy a testing kit to make sure what you have is the real deal. Methylone strikes me as the safer compound, but this is anecdotal, and may have less of a reward.

Thanks but I'll never be able to try it cuz it's illegal in Canada.
I guess Methylone is all i have now.

 

[The King of Beans]

How do you define "better"? I have tried methylone, and didn't find it hugely euphoric. For me it was more of a warm, conversational drug.

However, some of the people who have tried 6-APB and had a good time claim that it isn't hugely dissimilar to MDMA. Anecdotal evidence suggests that the line between "not enough" and "too much" is very thin though.

That may be it. I finally had a decent experience from 6-apb last night (Same batch as I've had all along) this time I may of got lucky and hit the perfect dose for me. I say lucky because I have no way to weight it out, so I just eye ball it. And 6-apb is hard to eyeball because of the consistancy is like powder. But none the less I tripped very nicely, like a shroom or acid trip without all the visuals and mindfuck. But the nonsense and laughing was still there. At parts felt like it could be mistaken for a roll, but I know my shit and no way is something psychedelic like 6-apb going to make me feel like I'm rolling. This was still not a bad experience though. No comedown issues either. Only other difference between this time I Took it and the other times was that I smoked weed throughout. I'm sure that was what kept the bad side effects from 6-apb to a minimum.

btw to answer the OP's Q-

Methylone is better than 6-apb in my opinion. Unfortunately methylone does not last that long though. Sometimes wears off in an hour so I always have to combine it with other shit and redose. 6-apb lasts a good 6 hours usually if you hit the right dose. I can sleep from the 6-apb but I can't pick it over methylone because it is kinda lame to be honest. Doesn't remind me of MDMA, but more of a piperazine that is mildly trippy. Has all the bad side effects I get from piperazines, but smoking weed keeps them to a minimum. Methylone doesn't really have many side effects for me, so I prefer it, as the euhporia is much better than the 6-apb in my opinion. Of course this question is very subjective and you will get lots of different responses. Some people who prefer to trip, or like the longer duration, will of course pick 6-apb. Also there are different batches of 6-apb going around. Most of these should be legit now, but I've heard so many different things, and even the batch I have may not be of the best quality. I can't keep methylone around for more than a second (I'll do it all) but 6-apb has basically been collecting dust here for a while now. I did do it last night like I said, but besides that I really had no urge to do it again.

final note- Experimented with a combo of m1 (Methylone) and 2-fma today. M1 is just starting to work and gotta say this is awesome. The 2-fma has made it a much more clear headed and cleeeeaaaaan, natural roll. I haven't felt like this in years. Feel totally refreshed like it just rained outside or something. (lol And I'm in the 106 degree heat right now) Very nice indeed, but very mellow, pretty loved up as well, which is nice. But not super intense like if you were to mix it with 4-fa instead.

 

[VisualMagic]

I Prefer 6-apb to M1, not that I dislike either. M1 just is not as euphoric for me as 6-apb and the duration of 6-apb is so much longer (at least twice as long) so I'd easily pick 6-apb over M1. Except maybe if i was going to chill out at a party and didn't wanna be too out of it, I might go with M1, any other time, 6-apb all the way.

 

[IamMe90]

I personally prefer methylone because 6-apb gives me severe nausea on the come up and also severe gastrointestinal issues the next few days (pronounced mixture of diarrhea and constipation particularly), and methylone has a powerful cocaine-like come up rush in addition to being very empathetic for me. I really just love methylone. I had good times on 6-apb but it wasn't worth the downsides. I found 6-apb to be more tactile/body high oriented and less empathetic/euphoric as well.

 

[Bone14]

I've tried both, it's hard telling which one you prefer, because on both drugs everything is so amazing which can cloud your judgement. If we only look at the high, then methylone is in my opinion better, more euphoric and more loved up. 6-APB though, has a very long and absolutely welcome duration which is a big plus.

So well, it depends on the situation pretty much. Both drugs are really good substitutes for MDMA, methylone is the closest you can get though.

 

[phatass]

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[any major dude]

6-APB is much more similar to MDA than MDMA, which accounts for most of the differences mentioned above.

 

[Ismene]

6-apb lasts 3 or 4 times longer than methylone, very long-lasting peak. Beautiful high. Methylone was great but a little short.

Only drawback with 6-apb is you can't get to sleep for 24 hours afterwards.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I feel this is just a "What should I take?" thread, and as such me or someone else may close it.

We do however allow comparison threads, so if people can stick to comparing and contrasting the effects and not simply saying which one they think is better, then this may be allowed to stay open. I'll leave it open for a little longer so we can see where this goes, if we can keep it to comparison then maybe it'll stay

Now for my own comparison..

In terms of empathogens I have experience with 6-APB, 5-APB, Methylone, Mephedrone, MDMA

6-APB:
- Duration of 7-9 hours, with residual stimulation lasting at least another hour but up to as many as 5+ depending on the dose
- Peak of 3-4 hours
- Plenty of empathy and tactile sensation enhancement but substantially less than 5-APB or MDMA
- Significantly more stimulation than 5-APB or MDMA
- Some visuals/psychedelic effects
- Rougher comedown (YMMV) than pure MDMA or 5-APB, but easier than Methylone

5-APB:
- Duration of 6-8 hours, far less residual stimulation than 6-APB and you can get to sleep about an hour or two after.
- Peak of 3-4 hours
- Similar empathy to MDMA, more than 6-APB, Methylone, Mephedrone. Haven't taken it enough to say whether the empathy from this or MDMA is stronger but they're both very close.
- Very little of any stimulation, easy to have no energy to get up and just sit around, less desire to talk than any of the other empathogens I've tried too
- No psychedelic effects other than sometimes a little mental confusion
- Easy comedown, basically non-existent with a reasonable dose

Methylone:
- Duration of 2-3 hours, some residual stimulation
- Peak of 1-2 hours
- Significantly less empathy/improved touch than MDMA, 6-APB, 5-APB
- Quite stimulating - however the stimulation of this one feels more like the confident relaxed stimulation that cocaine, MDPV, ritalin and other dopamine reuptake inhibitors provide, rather than the rushyness of amphetamines.
- No psychedelic effects
- Roughest comedown of all the empathogens I've tried, felt very toxic

MDMA:
- Duration of 3-5 hours, not much of any residual stimulation, fairly easy to sleep afterwards
- Peak of 2-4 hours
- Strong empathy, possibly the strongest of them all in this respect
- Not very stimulating, felt significantly more stimulating than 5-APB, but a lot less so than 6-APB, hard to compare with Methylone here due to the stimulation from Methylone feeling more DRI based than dopamine-release based.
- Some psychedelic effects at higher doses
- Virtually non-existent comedown at a reasonable dose

I won't compare Mephedrone since you weren't asking about it and it is quite dissimilar from the others.

To me Methylone feels like MDMA and Cocaine's love-child, not excelling quite as much in either area as its parents but providing a balance between the effects of both drugs, a good party drug but taking quite a toll on the system. 6-APB on the other hand felt much closer to MDMA itself, though of course you'll find more similarities with MDA since it is an analogue after all.

 

[Si Dread]

Jeez, superb post, very useful. I cannot compare the two chemicals in question because I;ve always been wary of the duration of 6-apb & as such I havent tried it. 5-apb sounds more interesting for me. I do like Methylone however, & when it was legal I actually enjoyed the short duration. Paradoxically, I felt that longer sessions were possible on bk-mdma than on mdma itself with les come-down, but that's pretty much the opposite of the experiences noted above... just me I guess.

 

[Section813]

Excellent post Jesusgreen. Thanks for that. With all Ive heard about 6-apb come down Im surprised you rated methylone as the worst. Im debating on which mda analog Im going to try first.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Well the 6-APB comedown for me is quite depressing as after such a long peak and such a sharp drop off, I just get this feeling of "Oh.. at least another month before I feel that good again ", whereas with MDMA and 5-APB the drop off is a lot smoother and I mostly just feel tired.

With Methylone though the comedown is a combination of the depression but also the physical side effects I get coming down from dopamine reuptake inhibitors, overheating, heart racing, paranoia, anxiety etc. I didn't find it pleasant at all.

Someone who finds the comedown from DRI's easy to handle though might find it subjectively easier than 6-APB, since there's a little less depression, but for me personally it's easier to handle the depression than the paranoia, anxiety, and feeling like I've sent my body through a crash course.

Regarding 5-APB, it's a very nice substance, just be in mind that it doesn't have quite the positive reinforcement of 6-APB, Methylone, MDMA etc. Since it feels like there is very little dopamine release, there aren't any of those magical rushes etc unless you push the dose extremely high - what is wonderful however is combining touch, music, and talking to close friends/loved ones. If I were looking for a night in with a girl I like I'd pick 5-APB or MDMA over any of the others, but I wouldn't take 5-APB out at a rave or festival.

 

[The King of Beans]

I personally prefer methylone because 6-apb gives me severe nausea on the come up and also severe gastrointestinal issues the next few days (pronounced mixture of diarrhea and constipation particularly), and methylone has a powerful cocaine-like come up rush in addition to being very empathetic for me. I really just love methylone. I had good times on 6-apb but it wasn't worth the downsides. I found 6-apb to be more tactile/body high oriented and less empathetic/euphoric as well.

Well I agree with you for once. This is exactly how I feel. Even if I LOVED tripping or trolling, (or whatever you want to say that 6-apb does to you) I still wouldn't pick it over anything else that gives similiar feelings...and that is mainly because of the damn diarrhea....it truly can get bad. But the first time I ever dosed the 6-apb was when it was the worst. So bad, even worse than the dirtiest piperazine combos I've ever done.

And btw, I found out my batch of 6-apb is 89% pure. So not the best quality, but not bad either. This is considering how it is made (I studied up a bit about it) it is hard to get close to a 100% pure batch of 6-apb. This explains why all the BS was happening with this drug and all the differences in each batch. I'm no expert, I've just read every single report and thread on 6-apb that there is online. Literally. I read about it all day, everyday for over a week straight. Lame I know but I was excited about trying it, so I read everything. Now I'm on to 5-IT!

6-APB is much more similar to MDA than MDMA, which accounts for most of the differences mentioned above.

Never understood why people think MDA is so much different than MDMA? I've done both and I can't tell the difference, other than MDA lasts longer. MDA to me feels like a strong MDMA roll. I still get empathy and love people and shit. It's awesome. And MDA is NOT Trippy at all for me, like 6-apb is. MDA is simply a more "Visual" roll, but I don't consider visuals to be trippy. My definition of "Trippy" or "Tripping" is the mindfuck, mindstate, or euphoria that most psychedelics give. I hate it. It kinda makes you feel like you're going to hell....then you actually go there. lol
But to me tripping is literally the opposite of rolling. While rolling makes you very happy and ecstatic or alive heavenly feeling, tripping can do the exact opposite, where you feel dead, depressed or like you are in hell.

Well the 6-APB comedown for me is quite depressing as after such a long peak and such a sharp drop off, I just get this feeling of "Oh.. at least another month before I feel that good again ", whereas with MDMA and 5-APB the drop off is a lot smoother and I mostly just feel tired.

With Methylone though the comedown is a combination of the depression but also the physical side effects I get coming down from dopamine reuptake inhibitors, overheating, heart racing, paranoia, anxiety etc. I didn't find it pleasant at all.

Someone who finds the comedown from DRI's easy to handle though might find it subjectively easier than 6-APB, since there's a little less depression, but for me personally it's easier to handle the depression than the paranoia, anxiety, and feeling like I've sent my body through a crash course.

Regarding 5-APB, it's a very nice substance, just be in mind that it doesn't have quite the positive reinforcement of 6-APB, Methylone, MDMA etc. Since it feels like there is very little dopamine release, there aren't any of those magical rushes etc unless you push the dose extremely high - what is wonderful however is combining touch, music, and talking to close friends/loved ones. If I were looking for a night in with a girl I like I'd pick 5-APB or MDMA over any of the others, but I wouldn't take 5-APB out at a rave or festival.

Well first let me say that Jesus is without a doubt the coolest moderator here...lol but just curious...with you only doing these things "Once" every month, how are you or how DID you manage to consume so many chemicals and have so many different experiments? You seem to know a lot about each drug. So considering you stick to only one drug a month, that would mean you could only do MDMA and 6-apb six times each in an entire year...and that would be considering you take NO other serotonin substances at all....How do you manage to do this? I could easily take 6 doses of MDMA in less than one night. How do you get time to sample and try all the different things going around, if you limit yourself so much? Or are you just putting on a fasade here with us in the spirit of HR..? : ) You're probably all jacked up on 5-IT right now and will give me a long winded post answering my question. : ) lmao

Jeez, superb post, very useful. I cannot compare the two chemicals in question because I;ve always been wary of the duration of 6-apb & as such I havent tried it. 5-apb sounds more interesting for me. I do like Methylone however, & when it was legal I actually enjoyed the short duration. Paradoxically, I felt that longer sessions were possible on bk-mdma than on mdma itself with les come-down, but that's pretty much the opposite of the experiences noted above... just me I guess.

So, are you saying that you have been able to have Longer sessions with BKmdma than MDMA itself? If so, can you please share your secret...bcuz all I have to do is take like 5 MDMA pills and I'll be rolling all night. (This is considering I started with 2, then took 2 more, than 1 final one late in the evening) On bkMDMA, I have taken probably a gram in one night. And while I did get it to last for hours, it certainly doesn't last longer than MDMA. Probably 5 hours is the most I've gotten out of methylone if I had to guess.(but just one dose of m1 only lasts me for an hour, maybe two. A dose of MDMA lasts me a solid 4 hours, maybe less if I have a high tolerence. But then again MDMA is known to be stronger and I always dosed in the high MG range with MDMA) I know alcohol works wonders for both MDMA and bkMDMA so that is my secret. That and a little (or a LOT) of weed on the peak. This will prevent you from ever coming down (And if you do, you won't even notice it much) Of course a little more metylone as well. lol