question about mushroom honey

[pisspotnrock]

Well anyway I had a lil jar of the stuff this time last year and as soon as summer started, the old lady found it and said she threw it out... I just found it today and it looks alright doesnt seem to be any mould or bacteria or anything so I just wanted your opinions on whether anyone thinks it might be a bad idea to consume... the mushies had about 70-80% moisture when I put them in and they were a couple weeks old...

 

[headdah]

nope i dont think its a good idea. i'm pretty sure u are meant to dry the shrooms completely before putting em into honey

 

[heythatsmybike]

Sounds like trouble dude, heard of many horrid stories of people eating some funky fungi. When there is moisture there is bacteria. Maybe test it on you ol' lady first as punishment

 

[belarki]

Yeh it sounds a bit risky in my opinion. Honey has great anti-bacterial properties but only if it hasn't been processed, pastuerised etc like 99% of store bought honey is these days.

 

[Sustanon]

Dont eat it. The shrooms have to be cracker dry before u can store them in any way. Bacteria, molds and all sorts of funky shit can survive on them where there is moisture and lack of oxygen. Toss that shit out.

 

[pisspotnrock]

thanks for the replys... I figured it might have been alright because as far as my knowledge goes, the sugar content was high enough in honey to prevent mould and other nasty bacteria. I read somewhere that if you place the mushies in the honey when fresh, the moisture will be sucked out and appear ontop of the jar after about two days which it did, and I drank that water every two to three days untill it stopped appearing if that might make a difference....

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

About 5 years ago, I stored fresh mushrooms in red gum honey which I purchased from a bee keeper friend. I took many doses from these jars over the next year or so with no issues. This was the only time I used fresh mushrooms though.

More recently I have stored dry mushrooms this way.

Has anyone else had problems storing fresh mushrooms in honey? I have heard about some people getting fungal growth in the water layer, especially when there is a large amount of air between the lid and the water. For this reason I poured the water off as it formed and used the best honey I could find.

 

[Sustanon]

About 5 years ago, I stored fresh mushrooms in red gum honey which I purchased from a bee keeper friend. I took many doses from these jars over the next year or so with no issues. This was the only time I used fresh mushrooms though.

More recently I have stored dry mushrooms this way.

Has anyone else had problems storing fresh mushrooms in honey? I have heard about some people getting fungal growth in the water layer, especially when there is a large amount of air between the lid and the water. For this reason I poured the water off as it formed and used the best honey I could find.

The mycelium is still alive and can spread whereever it has enough nutrients and the right conditions to survive. Its enough for one tiny microscopic particle of bacterium or mold to take hold of the mycelium and then grow around the whole shroom. Try puttin fresh shrooms in a baggie it will turn to mush and go all black. I know there are alot of threads about storing boomers in honey but the most convenient way is just to dry them using chemicals or a food dehydrator. Better safe than sick or dead.

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

^I know this

I'm just asking if anyone else has had any first hand experience or if they are just going off of the literature?

It did work for me when i tried it, but I recommend drying them first to be safe

 

[losthippy]

I filled an old-style vacolla (the kind with the thick rubberband seal and tin lid) preserving jar with whole dried SouthWest shrooms, tamped them down and filled it to the brim with light-coloured jarrah honey. It took a day or so for the trapped air to percolate out, topping it up as needed before sealing. There was minimal air space under the lid when I was done. Dug it out after 3 months in storage to find the honey had expanded and oozed out from under the seal. It had also turned black but the shrooms were still intact and worked just fine mashed on buttered toast for brekky. They seemed just as potent as the fresh ones consumed on the day of picking. I'm wondering now whether I could make a batch of psychedelic mead next time I do this using the honey. Any thoughts on this?

 

[acidicweed_69]

mushroom honey, never heard of it.. is this what the episode of futurama is based on?!

 

[UnSquare]

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[PsiloSubNaut]

I'm wondering now whether I could make a batch of psychedelic mead next time I do this using the honey. Any thoughts on this?

I'm not sure about how you would go making psychedelic mead. I'm a big fan of both mead and mushrooms so I think you should do some experimenting and get back to us.

Maybe just make the mead and then add some extracted psilocybin? It can be extracted very easily using methanol or ethanol...

The 3 ways I store mushrooms is cracker dry in a sealed container with desiccant, in pure honey or the extract in high proof alcohol. I found that the extract tends to degrade if stored in alcohol that is less than 40% (I like to use 50%+) .

You may find that mead doesn't have the preserving qualities that pure honey or stronger alcohol has and for this reason the psilocybin may just degrade very quickly. The only way to find out is to try so have a go

 

[Jabberwocky]

The 3 ways I store mushrooms is cracker dry in a sealed container with desiccant, in pure honey or the extract in high proof alcohol. I found that the extract tends to degrade if stored in alcohol that is less than 40% (I like to use 50%+) .

You may find that mead doesn't have the preserving qualities that pure honey or stronger alcohol has and for this reason the psilocybin may just degrade very quickly. The only way to find out is to try so have a go

it might be worth your time and money investing in some bacteriostatic water where adding in a simple preservative will help store longer since you're, i presume, going to the effort of extracting it using a proper solvent for the extraction; it will keep for longer, in the same vain as one would store an extraction of an opiate or benzo, any other substance from pills.

great place is - [Removed link to comply with guidelines, check a chemical company near you]

leads straight to their solvents, check the side menu for everything else. the site hasn't sold bacteriostatic water for a while but has everything else you'd need to perform such extractions.

if you want to know where some bacteriostatic water is available from let me know (everyone, not just psilo). it can be tricky to find such things, especially when dealing with micron filters to order in quantity

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

Thanks for that leftwing

It's not the bacteria that is degrading the psilocybin. Water actually breaks down the alkaloids when the exposure is long. Alcohol stops this reaction, hence the high % alcohol used to preserve the extract. This psilocybin/alcohol solution keeps for many years with no noticeable drop in potency. Bacteriostatic water isn't going to help when it comes to psilocybin sadly.

Do you extract benzo's/opiates from pills and then store them as a solution? I'm intrigued

 

[Jabberwocky]

gotchya, seeing it's high % alc content used then i see why high proof liquor is an easy(ier) option for the masses, than pure ethanol. a decent high proof vodka isn't that much when when speaking equality of prices not excluding personal taste of course.

in the past i've performed extractions on morphine and fentanyl, though not on a scale where i've needed them preserved in a solution. we've got a guide written on micrron filtering and storing in a solution that captain heroin went to the trouble of typing up. pure benzo samples are easier for a novice user to store in a solution rather than having to extract as is the case with most pills. PEG (Polyethylene Glycol) is often used as a solvent for keeping phenazepam in solution.

 

[Verybuffed]

gotchya, seeing it's high % alc content used then i see why high proof liquor is an easy(ier) option for the masses, than pure ethanol. a decent high proof vodka isn't that much when when speaking equality of prices not excluding personal taste of course.

I have never been able to find vodka over 42% in Australia.

 

[headdah]

MOOONSHINNNYYY. SHINNEEEEYY MOOOONIE HAHAH

 

[thiimmy]

I have never been able to find vodka over 42% in Australia.

Go to "any big liquor chain", they have like 90% vodka, but its only kept behind the counter and you have to ask especiallly for it.Its hellz expensive as well.

 

[Verybuffed]

Go to the big liquor chain, they have like 90% vodka, but its only kept behind the counter and you have to ask especiallly for it.Its hellz expensive as well.

Pretty sure you are talking about 95% Spirytus. I already have some of that, it's rectified spirits not Vodka. I want some Vodka over 70% to make Absinthe.

We're not allowed to name sources here thiimmy. Just say one of the big liquor chains, everyone will know what you mean.