Connection Between Psychedelics and a Higher Power(of ones understanding)

[Sublimit]

Hi Lighters, I'm just wondering if anyone has had any spiritual experience from psychedelics thats led to a connection to "God", or a God of ones understanding, even to believe in a power greater than us... I'm interested to know how many people have made a connection like that through the use of psychedelics.

I'll explain why i've been thinking about this a lot. Firstly, my spiritual side was awoken when i first started to use psychedelics over 4 years ago. I've seen some seemingly impossible things on sub breakthrough doses of DMT, things that made me truly realise how powerful the human brain is. Not even a supercomputer could process some of the things you can see. But some of the more spiritual moments have come obviously with breakthrough doses and experiencing ego death... or just simply death and nothing else lol, but surprisingly some of the most significant moments for me have come with smaller doses and OEV's where you can see nature in a whole new perspective and be able to feel your surroundings. A spontaneous decision for the 3 of us to smoke DMT in the area that we had previously harvested an acacia longifolia or golden wattle and replanted some that several were growing when we went back a few years later to check it out. We all knew that we just had to smoke some... after all it was the same DMT that was taken from the very ground we were standing on years earlier. It was a profound moment that i'll never forget, being surrounded by a dozen tiny and big longifolia's and it seemingly turning to night within the onset, well that was when I felt one with the earth and where my spiritual side really took off.

It continued with other things but most predominately with LSD. I had never really done a proper MAOI/DMT. After some big doses of LSD i'd stay sober(off Addictions) for months... It made me take a real good look at myself and have had some divine moments of truth on acid. Acid has had the advantage of a prolonged psychedelic experience over DMT and i've felt like those epic trips i've had... one was spent in a cemetery in Carlton which was when i first felt in touch with God. I mean it's crazy to think we jumped the fence at a cemetery at 3am, but we both felt compelled to do it... once we got in there, my friend who was reluctant to jump at first, said to me "ummm to you mind if we see where this goes for a while"

As you can see i would like to write more about those times, but i should get to what i'm trying to say. I'm a recovering H addict, and have been going to NA meetings recently and have been clean. they talk about how important it is to have a higher power, and although i have talked to God before... it was the wrong God... I'm not an atheist or anything but i'm done asking him for strength. I haven't done psychedelics for a year and a half because i haven't been in the right place, but i know i have unfinished business with them, and ever since going to these meetings i've had an idea about a higher power based on my use of psychedelics. I feel in touch with my spiritual side, as in the appreciations of the subtle things in life, and i have vivid entity's that i can identify with, but what i really didn't get at the time was using psychedelics as the sole purpose of finding a higher power, an energy so profound that i can speak to it.

Now that i'm aware of the importance of this i'm willing to try and use psychedelics as a tool to forge this power that i know is greater than me into a mechanism against my addiction and for me to become a better person. I will try this because I believe it will work. ,,,, especially solo tripping. Psychedelic drugs have been the only drugs that have benefited me in the long run. I don't really consider them to be drugs... and sorry about the flash backs, but just shows where i'm at.....

would love to here anybody's thoughts, experiences and even discussions on different interpretations of God... this is probably a spun out thread, but hey. thats what i love about BL

 

[Sublimit]

Psychedelics and connections with a higher power

nobody can relate, or has had/having this experience? maybe i should have been more direct, but just though there would be people in this section of the forum that could relate. sorry i couldn't write it in a way that made more sense

was going to post this on TDS, but thought that it be more relative to this forum.... I guess most people that are into psychedelics don't really have serious drug addictions, and the point of this thread was to emphasise the idea of building a connection with a God potentially form the use of psychedelics and not about NA and my fucked up choices that led to drug addiction...very depressed young guy but finally getting there.

I feel so close to nature and maybe my higher power could be Gaia HAhaha But with an acceptance of being at the cross road in my life, i'm in limbo, where i'm unable to contemplate accepting the generic Abrahamic God(i don't want to sound specific).

So If anyone could tell me a good part of BL this discussion would be better suited for, then that would be appreciated... or if anyone feels free, post your thoughts on the subject heading. then that'd be welcome : )

PS; there was a sticky on this forum "Psychedelic Ideas and Revelations Inaction" which i thought about posting this OP on but i thought this warranted a more specific thread on it's own. and it didn't seem all that relevant to the sticky i think... i used the search and didn't come up with anything really

also what do you guys think about me posting this concept in the 'Philosophy and Spirituality' thread? that seems like a good place to try... Philosophy can be a focus on many aspects of any religion, as well as a 'love of knowledge' with psychedelics and their potential to achieve amazing things within ones self.

Anyway i haven't made heaps of threads since joining so sorry if i'm sounding a little ignorant., and not making any seance. I'd love some advise if anyones got thr time. thanks

Sub

Thanks guys

 

[Ismene]

It sent me the other way really - just made me wonder at how marvellous the human mind and nature are. No need for God or man-made bullshit like Buddhism/Hinduism etc

 

[Sublimit]

It sent me the other way really - just made me wonder at how marvellous the human mind and nature are. No need for God or man-made bullshit like Buddhism/Hinduism etc

The bit you quoted me on seems to me that you've alrerady made up your mind about there being no need for god, and i see why it would of sent you the other way. when you say God i can instantly tell which god you don't have time for, but thats my point... neither do I... yet(who knows) but what i;m suggesting is totally different. A higher power. or something you can call God. One guy i know is an atheist but his higher power is the the universe, which he actually talks to. he says the vastness of it spins him out.

Whatever you want to base god or a higher power on is completely up to the individual and how they interoperate their spirituality

Hey i'm with you, but this is exactly the sort of discussion i want to happen in this thread just different ideas, and experiences. Like i said i've seen some impossible visions thats made me realize how powerful our brain is. I've always tried to approach things with an open mind, and boy has my mind been open, but what i wan't is other peoples opinions, and it could easily be subjective, but i'm willing to concede and listen to others

thats what i was saying about a generic god... not conceding that i'll never believe in him, but ATM i want to use psychedelics as a tool to make a power greater than me more prominent in life, and i need to regain my spiritual side as it has slowly became less evident over the other drugs i was using that have clouded my mind and spirit

I mentioned Gaia.... she's actually the god of earth(i think), and i haven't really thought in depth about it, although i have so many ideas, but the Gaia example is just that, an example. it's got to be deeper than that, and it;s why i really want to take my time with this, take some acid or some syrian rue and DMT got go for a nice walk with my diary and use it as a tool basically.. i feel like i'm already half way there and now that i'm clean i can start thinking about doing this when i have more time of sobriety up.

Anybody with any thoughts and beliefs that would like to share would be great, and the more opinions and first hand enlightenment you guys can share, will be great inventory to have out there and i think it will be a concept, and a matter of applying it with purpose and action because actions speak louder than words

 

[demon66]

You can connect anything to god. Though it is not a suprise that people often associate psychedelics with relgious experience. I think this is because many acounts of "genuine" religous experiences written of in the bible and other religous text strongly resemble the effect profile of psychedelics.

You know...how saints/prophets have had acounts of seeing glowing angels, demons, etc

Some people would say that you see these types of images while on a trip.

Sure I have had hallucinations of demons, foreign creatures, amongst other visuals on a trip. I don't interpret that as seeing god or something of that nature.

 

[helium-4]

I see no point in the need for "something greater". Believe in yourself and your actions that effect the universe. You are your own god, no need for something ineffable when you have the greatest power in front of you, yourself.

 

[greenmeanies]

"GOD" is simply the manifestation of our own true inner self. or maybe we are a manifestation of "GOD". either way, I think I know what you're talking about OP. Many people have 'religious experiences' on psychedelics, and many people prefer to call these drugs 'entheogens' for the way that they allow a person to connect with the god-head within him or herself and allow for some really deep spiritual healing.

 

[Depressicaa]

I share the same experience with others. There is no god. There is no spirituality. There is just you, looking for meaning, attributing it to things around you, like the smell of freshly cooked food to flood your mind with delight, or maybe the sight of a kind of clothing to your father returning late at work and being happy whenever you see it. It can also be bad, like the same cologne of a rapist on someone you like. These are everyday things, and god isn't on my mind.

People who do believe in a higher calling in my biased opinion have been people who often follow trends more than others. If someone is not spiritual they're less mainstream, and more likely to be different.

 

[any major dude]

Using psychedelics to connect to god, or to have a unitive experience is fairly common practice in a number of religions, and this was most likely the original purpose of psychedelics, or religion stems from (psychedelic) induced mystical type experiences, depending on how you want to look at it.

I don't really tend to have experiences in which i feel like i talk to a god, but i do have feelings of being connected to something like a combination of the "collective unconscious" to use Jungian terminology and something akin to the force from star wars. lol

I don't know if these experiences necessarily imply that such a thing exists, but the experience of it is quite real

 

[interplanetary]

Sounds like someone has been to some A-A meetings with this "higher power of ___'s understanding" talk.

I have a lot of experience with DMT and my spiritual core was found through 5-MeO DMT and it was been kept up by research and re-application.

Do I believe in God? No, far from it. I believe in same-raced extraterrestrials laying us here as vessels at one point in Grand time. It isn't mono/poly/pantheistic; it's something entirely different.

I just call myself Vesselic.

 

[Depressicaa]

^
I agree.

NA rant:

NSFW:

NA is a copy of AA, an organization that was flawed from the beginning. It works for some people, but not for most people if I recall correctly. Calling yourself powerless is a pussy thing to do, not taking anything even slightly euphoric is also stupid. Sorry if I'm offensive. You obviously are not weak, after all you're a recovering addict. To tell yourself that god is somehow helping you is bullshit. One of the philosophies are if you don't wanna tell everything, you might relapse. Compare it to something relevant like stripping, if everyone doesn't strip they may also relapse. Doesn't make sense to me. My rant on the flaws of NA is over.

Might offend you.

NSFW:

You're powerful, not god. Not some higher being. Fuck them all. You are the most important person in your life, and once you realize that you will improve yourself.

However, if you need to believe in god go for it. I just don't. If being spiritual helps, its the right move. I don't care how you feel about spirituality and whatnot, as long as you recover from H and don't relapse your belief is just as good as mines if not better. Do what works best for you, and if god is in the picture, pray everyday and you're gonna be great.

 

[Sublimit]

You can connect anything to god. Though it is not a suprise that people often associate psychedelics with relgious experience. I think this is because many acounts of "genuine" religous experiences written of in the bible and other religous text strongly resemble the effect profile of psychedelics.

You know...how saints/prophets have had acounts of seeing glowing angels, demons, etc

Yes you can but I’m not doing this as an alternative to going to church or whatever. It’s the start of my psychedelic experiences that have opened my spiritual side and in turn opened me up to a very complex concept, that maybe a bit awkward to understand if one was a relatively inexperienced tripper, or is just not opened minded enough to comprehend this connection that i believe exists. anyone who has broken through on DMT and had an outer body experience would have seen a dimension that co-exists with our own.
I don’t think people who take psychedelics associate with a piece of text that has been compromised on so many levels on a spiritually based religion. People that associate religion by consuming themselves with the bible do not use psychedelics for religious purposes. And I don’t think someone that’s found their spiritual side by using drugs as turned to the holy bible for inspiration…. Not saying that could be the case with non Abrahamic religions… in fact possibly quite opposite

What substance? On LSD.... it alters what you see but will never give you true OPV’s. and the only CEV’s from acid were vivid but nothing I could identify with say a demon or a god, unless you were referring to DMT visuals… true hallucinations, out of body experiences and NDE’s? Even then, with a true hallucinations on DMT for instance… having an entity greet you in a foreign language you seem to understand…. Even then that’s the point I was trying\g to make in my OP…. not to base some entity as a God or my recurring God, but something much more than that…. All that is useful is to identify the higher power within… an image to associate with.... if that will be even necessary, although the is this sub-breakthrough goblin entity that always come so mind

I see no point in the need for "something greater". Believe in yourself and your actions that effect the universe. You are your own god, no need for something ineffable when you have the greatest power in front of you, yourself.

"There is no fate, but what we make"

Thats nice to believe in that, but i've see many things, not from drugs, but just things that happen for a reason.... things that were always going to happen.

"Whatever happens. happens for a reason"

I’ve had a lot of self-pity/hate issues over the years and I feel like I want to one day be able to accept the Christian God but for now I am working on myself. Thank you for the advise and warm words…. You don’t even know me but that’s a nice thing to do regardless.

What I need in my life now is so start respecting myself, liking, and eventually loving myself will come, but I’m not strong enough by myself ATM and 10 years of constant relapse and misery I think I need all the help I can get… this site helps me so much, but anyway, that’s my reasons of needing this power to ask for strength and guidance to make the right choices and to keep finding myself. The journey has only started and I believe I need to get in touch with my spiritual side with purpose this time and if I find what I’m looking for then bonus,,,, but there’s no negatives. Every time I take psychedelics it reinforces my willpower amazingly and I feel like a wiser person for it

"GOD" is simply the manifestation of our own true inner self. or maybe we are a manifestation of "GOD". either way, I think I know what you're talking about OP. Many people have 'religious experiences' on psychedelics, and many people prefer to call these drugs 'entheogens' for the way that they allow a person to connect with the god-head within him or herself and allow for some really deep spiritual healing.

Nail hammer head. Psychedelic experiences are Progressive and I starred out using them for fun and didn’t have a direction, but I quickly learnt that they were so much more than drugs and started taking them for spiritual growth. After years of not tripping and falling back in the depths of addiction to slowly coming back out again, I feel the need to try and use psychedelics for a direct purpose. Maybe you’re right and its me who I’m wanting to find, perhaps I’m the higher power that I’m seeking. I’ve had spiritual healing before but I feel that there is something there, a energy there that is waiting to find me. Of course that can only be found within myself and I really think that using psychedelics will make me aware of this higher power within myself.

Thanks for the insight greemeanies, there’s a broad range of perspectives on psychedelics in this forum and like I was saying about it really being a progressive journey…. For everyone using psychedelics. I had a completely different outlook on life4 years ago when I was candyfliping in the city, ridding our bikes and listening to Floyd. The respect I have for the use of psychedelics almost constitute a spiritual process and maybe even a religious one.

PS greenmeanies; I’ve always wanted to have the chance to consume ayahuascaa and one day my journey will lead me to it. I’ve had unsuccessful experiences with a MAIO DMT combo, and thats what I love about lsd. I’ve had my ego torn to pieces with DMT, or simply sit and meditate but with acid I have done some deep spiritual healing that has led to complete abstinence. I will be doing this and it will be interesting to see what becomes of it. I will update this thread, but it might take a long time. From what I’ve said so far do you think DMT+MAOI would be the ideal direction? and also from what you ,mentioned... can you add anything more about psychedelics and spiritualism and your experiences? maybe we can relate?

 

[.Lucid.]

I share the same experience with others. There is no god. There is no spirituality. There is just you, looking for meaning, attributing it to things around you, like the smell of freshly cooked food to flood your mind with delight, or maybe the sight of a kind of clothing to your father returning late at work and being happy whenever you see it. It can also be bad, like the same cologne of a rapist on someone you like. These are everyday things, and god isn't on my mind.

People who do believe in a higher calling in my biased opinion have been people who often follow trends more than others. If someone is not spiritual they're less mainstream, and more likely to be different.

depressica!! i know you dont really believe this because of the way you expressed interest in ego-death in your other thread. it will find you if you let it! try acid!!

 

[nearjat]

The higher power of my understanding is the cycles. Birth and death. I am completely subject to the cycles of nature and much suffering can come from the denial of that fact.

 

[Sublimit]

I share the same experience with others. There is no god. There is no spirituality. There is just you, looking for meaning, attributing it to things around you, like the smell of freshly cooked food to flood your mind with delight, or maybe the sight of a kind of clothing to your father returning late at work and being happy whenever you see it. It can also be bad, like the same cologne of a rapist on someone you like. These are everyday things, and god isn't on my mind.

People who do believe in a higher calling in my biased opinion have been people who often follow trends more than others. If someone is not spiritual they're less mainstream, and more likely to be different.

See I have to completely disagree on what you’ve said. “there is no spirituality” reminds me of o quote from pulp fiction when Jules says; “maybe god stopped those bullets or found my fucking car keys” Yes these are just things, day to day life, things we have no control over and things in nature we have to do in order to survive in today’s society. We have a choice whether to choose to drone trough joyfully unaware of a greater meaning or could choose to question the question…. And that is “why are we here? What is our purpose?”

And why is your opinion biased? Do you not use psychedelics? I started this thread because I have an open mind and deep down inside I can feel some energy greater than us… I’ve seen it, where as you come across very ignorant…. Sorry but I’m not going to sugar-coat it for you. You talk about everyday things because they occur and you think that’s logical and don’t pay it any mind. Now, that i feel awoken, I would see all that as completely different to you. On my way to work I’d might notice a beautiful cloud formation or notice a nice smell omitting from a restaurant and have the ability to appreciate the subtle things and not just take it for granted. a feeling of peace within from taking a train ride with my phones on and absolutely loving live,,, sometimes i accidentally smile because i might notice a light change at the same time as a beat, or making cheeky eye contact with some cute girl, while listening to my fav music... i never new there was this whole hidden world out there with different rules, stuff you can make happen by will alone.

A large dose of LSD make one really looking inside yourself

This is not a contest and not about being mainstream or different and I can’t believe you could associate my concept of being mainstream lol! When I first used psychedelics I found myself talking to "the god" without realizing it, but like I said in my OP( if you reed it) is that I have nothing to say to him yet and in the meantime I’m looking for something I have seen and\ felt and making that a prominent part of my life for my benefit to grow as a person, that’s not to say that I won’t accept god in time

Using psychedelics to connect to god, or to have a unitive experience is fairly common practice in a number of religions, and this was most likely the original purpose of psychedelics, or religion stems from (psychedelic) induced mystical type experiences, depending on how you want to look at it.

I don't really tend to have experiences in which i feel like i talk to a god, but i do have feelings of being connected to something like a combination of the "collective unconscious" to use Jungian terminology and something akin to the force from star wars. lol

I don't know if these experiences necessarily imply that such a thing exists, but the experience of it is quite real

Yes this is what I like to hear, and I can relate to your experiences actually. What I find interesting is using a psychedelic experience with this indented purpose of not only connecting with my higher power but it will also allow further spiritual development. Its not a matter of whether it exists or not. That’s only relevant to the individual, and that’s the biggest idea I’m trying to get across. Everyone is different and like you say, depending on how you want to look at it and what you want to take from it is purely out of mindset and willingness. Like I said it’s a progression with psychedelics and life itself.

Its interesting you say the intention was there with a number of obscured religions using psy’s for these purposes, but it’s something that doesn’t seem to have a lot of mention on these forums,,, I did a search but couldn’t find anything specific,

Another thing you mentioned the “collective unconscious” is something I’m interested about, because anyone who has read my posts would realize my intent, but also see that I’m not entirely sure how to travel the path and what I should be looking for. This is Good that it’s not a common subject and that there will be all sorts of views, and hopefully more

I’m not familiar with Jungian terminology? But it’s funny with Star wars. The way of the force is very seductive, but I’m quite fascinated with the way of the Jedi actually, I won’t go into it but they’re loosely based and a Buddhist monk, or more like Shaolin warrior Monk. Yeah but tell me more on Archetypes if you fell like

 

[Jamshyd]

I see no point in the need for "something greater". Believe in yourself and your actions that effect the universe. You are your own god, no need for something ineffable when you have the greatest power in front of you, yourself.

To be perfectly honest, it strikes me as somewhat presumptuous to imagine that everything is, in fact, effable.

Note that I am saying absolutely nothing of higher-powers, merely criticizing this particular point.

 

[Sublimit]

Sounds like someone has been to some A-A meetings with this "higher power of ___'s understanding" talk.

I have a lot of experience with DMT and my spiritual core was found through 5-MeO DMT and it was been kept up by research and re-application.

Do I believe in God? No, far from it. I believe in same-raced extraterrestrials laying us here as vessels at one point in Grand time. It isn't mono/poly/pantheistic; it's something entirely different.

I just call myself Vesselic.

Yes Na specifically, but I’m there and going to concede to their traditions and steps although I disagree with certain aspects I’m fundamentally there for me, and over the 17 meetings I’ve been to I know that they’re quick to stereotype an addict and we are completely powerless over “our addictions” We are all individuals. alcohol was never an issue for me and I got into a debate, but quickly realized that I’m there and doing whats relative to me. Not whats relative to someone else. Yes I’m an addict and I’m no there to fuck around and lie to myself. I’ve had to say that I relapsed just because I had a few drinks,,,, but it’s a fuking number to me, as long as I know I’m clean then I don’t care about there milestones. I love talking in front of a group and it’s amazing how good it makes me fell to do it anyway. I’ve even said that my spiritualism stems from psychedelics and that I have some Divine Moments of Truth ahead of me in developing my higher power …. This is the best part of NA for me. Speaking from the heart. The path of enlightenment. I don’t suppress the memories anymore; I don’t dwell on the past

I have a lot of experience too interplanetary….. that’s pretty cool 5-meo isn’t that common here but I’ve experienced it several times. I thinl\k I want a few Colorado river toads…. They’d make nice pets I think! This experience. Or you idea… could you elaborate? I had a IV’d experience where I’ve seen myself being monitored. I felt like a body was lying down in an artificial room with shadowy figures walking around, but another presences was left in a dull dark organic place. At the time I thought they were other people but once the presence automatically approached the body I realised it was me and I just had 45mg of DMT

Yeah I’d be interested to know more about you philosophy if you can be bothered…?

^
I agree.

NA rant:
NA is a copy of AA, an organization that was flawed from the beginning. It works for some people, but not for most people if I recall correctly. Calling yourself powerless is a pussy thing to do, not taking anything even slightly euphoric is also stupid. Sorry if I'm offensive. You obviously are not weak, after all you're a recovering addict. To tell yourself that god is somehow helping you is bullshit. One of the philosophies are if you don't wanna tell everything, you might relapse. Compare it to something relevant like stripping, if everyone doesn't strip they may also relapse. Doesn't make sense to me. My rant on the flaws of NA is over. .

Like I was saying. They are about complete abstinence, but I’m for harm minimisation (for now) I’m there for me, and I’m doing it relevant to me. As long as I’m honest with myself and as long as I keep going it will give me structure and a defence mechanism. I’m not there to fuck around… I’m planning on tripping to find my higher power! And I don’t mind getting up around 20 people that. I love it. Plus there are some really good people there. You might feel depressed but someone talks and it makes you feel how luck you are and that you can be happy and fulfilled

Might offend you.
You're powerful, not god. Not some higher being. Fuck them all. You are the most important person in your life, and once you realize that you will improve yourself.

They're very kind word actually... that is something i couldn't do in the past and am slowly learning to do ot. i might need a higher power for guidance? if you've read this whole thread then i think that my higher power will be coll as%)

thanks and thanks everyone who's made this a good thread

 

[any major dude]

To be perfectly honest, it strikes me as somewhat presumptuous to imagine that everything is, in fact, effable.

Spoken like a true Philosophy & Spirituality mod
Also, QFT

Its interesting you say the intention was there with a number of obscured religions using psy’s for these purposes, but it’s something that doesn’t seem to have a lot of mention on these forums,,, I did a search but couldn’t find anything specific,

Another thing you mentioned the “collective unconscious” is something I’m interested about, because anyone who has read my posts would realize my intent, but also see that I’m not entirely sure how to travel the path and what I should be looking for. This is Good that it’s not a common subject and that there will be all sorts of views, and hopefully more

I’m not familiar with Jungian terminology? But it’s funny with Star wars. The way of the force is very seductive, but I’m quite fascinated with the way of the Jedi actually, I won’t go into it but they’re loosely based and a Buddhist monk, or more like Shaolin warrior Monk. Yeah but tell me more on Archetypes if you fell like

Alot of religions that use psychedelics aren't terribly obscure any more. Uniao de Vegetal and Santo Daime are both fairly well known & use ayahuasca ritually. These are both combinations of indigenous Amazonian religions & Catholicism. Both of these groups have spread outside of Brazil to many "western" areas, including the EU & USA. The Temple of the True Inner Light is somewhat well known for their use of mainly DPT, as well as a few other things to facilitate communication with a deity. Peyote has been used by native americans in the Southwest for ~5000yrs for religious purposes. Pre-colonial Mexican natives used psilocybin containing mushrooms, morning glory seeds & salvia, among other things. And columnar mescaline containing cacti have been used in the Andean region of S. America for several thousand years as well. Siberian natives have used amanitas for quite some time. There is some evidence of the use of various entheogenic plant concoctions in Greek, Jewish, & early Christian religious traditions. Ritual use of marijuana seems to have taken place in the ancient near east, and Datura or other related plants are mentioned in Hindu & Buddhist texts. I'm sure i've left some things out, but its pretty common most of the world over.

I like reading Jung, and I think its possible that he may have been on to some things that we still don't understand, but I'm not sure as to how much of it I believe. I'm sure the wikipedia entry on Jungian archetypes could tell you just as much if not more on the subject than I could.

 

[greenmeanies]

PS greenmeanies; I’ve always wanted to have the chance to consume ayahuascaa and one day my journey will lead me to it. I’ve had unsuccessful experiences with a MAIO DMT combo, and thats what I love about lsd. I’ve had my ego torn to pieces with DMT, or simply sit and meditate but with acid I have done some deep spiritual healing that has led to complete abstinence. I will be doing this and it will be interesting to see what becomes of it. I will update this thread, but it might take a long time. From what I’ve said so far do you think DMT+MAOI would be the ideal direction? and also from what you ,mentioned... can you add anything more about psychedelics and spiritualism and your experiences? maybe we can relate?

I have never tried DMT (neither smoked nor ayahuasca) but I have consumed "psilohuasca" (syrian rue + psilocybe shrooms) on a couple occasions. To be honest it's ridiculously powerful and I was completely unprepared to have my entire life scrutinized by an all-knowing "GOD" figure who probably lives inside myself. I experienced the depths of hell for several lifetimes while I re-lived every mistake. Every wrongdoing. Every time I lied to myself. Every time I deceived someone I loved. Every time I negatively impacted the human race, I was forced to look my GOD in the eye and beg forgiveness.

Instead of hate, I was shown love and compassion for my misdeeds. I then realized that we are all blind as we walk through this life. When our eyes are opened as in near-death experiences, we can finally understand that our pain and suffering are only caused by our own fear of being understood by those around us. We create our misgivings and negativities because we don't understand that everyone else is just as afraid as the rest of us. I was only allowed to pass into heaven after I relenquished my pitiful human existence and seek the light.

I don't remember what happened after the euphoria of passing into the light. There may have been a period of "ego death" but I was in no way able to determine timings. I simply snapped out of the trip. No gradual come-down. Sobriety and concrete reality INSTANTLY after swimming the depths of my past. Needless to say, I was unable to integrate that trip for MONTHS after the event. I'm still VERY WARY of both syrian rue and shrooms or either one on its own. My current drug of choice is the 2C family that I'm getting quite well acquainted with.

If you're looking for THAT kind of experience (even after that glowing review of the headspace lol), then start with 3-4g of syrian rue seeds. They do not need to be chewed or ground; just swallow them whole with some juice. Wait 20 minutes for them to kick in and smoke a bowl of marijuana to settle your stomach. Bless the spirits you wish to convene with, and eat 5g of psilocybe cubensis (unfortunately my own experience was with eyeballed psilocybe cyanescens, probably equivalent to 5-8g of cubensis). At this point you should turn off your phone and wave goodbye to natural reality, because the OOBE/peak begins about 15 minutes after psilocybe ingestion. God luck and Good bless! :D

 

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Hey i just read those 2 replys... i've been avoiding this thread for a bit just been mentally exhausted especially now so i won't go into too much but firstly, any major dude thank you heaps for that i was maybe vaguely aware of most of it but a couple i didn't have any idea on. i read that datura was speculated to be used in voodoo rituals, zombification! i'll reply in-depth soon but thanks very much for doing likewise, its very interesting stuff and will be defiantly be hitting Jung on wiki and getting back toy you

greenmeanies man your story spun me out in so many ways because i could either relate to it myself or see it potentially putting me in those environments and facing divine moments of truth i know its cliché but rue and shrooms will both have profound effects. being so similar to DMT, I'm going to get some sleep and wake up and post in-depth, this thread has already opened up new idea's just haven't had the mindset to truly take anything in for a few days

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