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MDMA or MDEA

zookie1

zookie1

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Hi all!

Hoping i have posted this in the right section...

How likely would it be that powdered MDEA is floating around, masquerading as MDMA? I have tested and tried a friends powder, tested up well, INSTANT purple on mandelin then to black after a minute, instant purple on marquis and i'm pretty sure stayed a dark purple at the minute mark, bright blue on simons and no change on robadope. This is only the 2nd time i've ever used the complete test kit so i'm not exactly sure about all the results.

After consuming (just a fingerdab in the bag a few times) definitely felt it but it was not lovey?? BUT the scenario was not ideal, had a few downers happening unfortunately that seemed to ruin the situation a bit.

I have read through many threads and cannot find any info on how a test can really determine the difference between the 2? Either way it's fine, just was curious! To see a purple black result on mandelin/marquis was something i didn't think i'd ever witness again!!
 
Good to hear miss molly is still floating around. But at the moment there is no way to distinguish between MDEA and MDMA through basic test results. Either way it's alot better then some of the other stuff going round.
 
measure out a full dosage, lets say 120mg-150mg. but first give ur self a week or two break frist. bomb that dosage. :) and when you are peaking off it. u'll know if its mdma or md something else.

Easy to tell. LOVE AND EMPATHY, or just MUNTED LIKE FUCK :)

I ENVY YOU btw. MISS MOLLY COME TO ADELAIDE FFS!
 
Haha yeah it is good to know that there is something decent getting around!! Guess it's just all about who you know! I've actually heard of a bit around across other states too which is good!
 
The purple then to black on the mandalin says mdxx or like chemical is present. When i use to test pills i would test on a plate and spread out the liquid across the plate to see if any other colours appear. And the quickness it changes purple doesn't have anything to do with the strength of your powder or pills. Your blue result on simmons indicates a possitive presence of mdma, no change on your other one means that amphetamines wasn't used as a secondary chemical. So it contains mdma but, what colour is your powder? When ever i have seen mdma it has always been a light beige colour and crystally texture not powdery. I would suggest trying to smudge out your test on a plate and see if you get lil changes in colour. Feeling 'munted effects' lol im not up to speed with the new xtc slang. What exactly did you feel? How long did it take to feel effects? That can give you some idea of what else may be in it. Did Your jaw feel stiff or locked up for a bit?(ket symptom) Im sus on you saying you felt some effects on about 50mg, either what you have is 99% pure (which def not the case) or its got something like ketamine or some other cut you have been sold some pills that have been crushed up and sold for more. And with telling the difference between mdma and mdea they are too simular, multi doseing takes away any weaker difference and pills have always been too polluted with other chemicals to really tell the difference. Mda though feels completly different to mdma. Mda gives you a paranoid feeling for abit while its coming on and has a much more intense visuals. Both will give you eye wobbles but only mdma seems to make your legs get heavy.
 
sorry mateys, that stuff doing the rounds aint MDMA, afaik good dr MD is still on a sabbatical and most of yous wont be seeing him for awhile.

best SWAG (scientific wild ass guess) as to what that non-md md could be - bk-MBDB, MDEA, MBDB - or any number of new n nasty ketone substitutes in which case it may include a reagent fooling agent. ;-)
 
^ Hi nano :D Good to see you around these parts!

Thank you for your comments on the test results etc ond43x. Blue on simons could still be a number of things though as it just indicates the presence of a secondary amine. Unfortunately test results alone seem to be less indicative of pill quality compared to say 5-10 years ago when in my experience purple-black on marquis almost always corresponded with a good pill :(
 
While what OND43X isn't wrong, I feel it's worth pointing out a few things...

The purple then to black on the mandalin says mdxx or like chemical is present.
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The above reaction colour indicates the possible presence of a MDXX substance. Remember, these are only presumptive tests, and other compounds can give similar reaction colours.

And the quickness it changes purple doesn't have anything to do with the strength of your powder or pills.
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Purer MDMA or high strength tablets tend to react more quickly. However, if the ingredients aren't properly homogenized, it may be there is less in a scraping. That's why it is advised that a sample be a mixture of different parts of a tablet/cap. In respect of what OND43X said, sometimes binders can slow down a reaction or even interfere with results.

Your blue result on simmons indicates a possitive presence of mdma, no change on your other one means that amphetamines wasn't used as a secondary chemical.
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It's important to note that Simons is a secondary amine test, meaning that another secondary amine that doesn't produce colour with Madelin, Marquis etc, could still produce a blue reaction product.

So it contains mdma but, what colour is your powder? When ever i have seen mdma it has always been a light beige colour and crystally texture not powdery.
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MDMA can be anything from the above description to white, brown, or come as large clear or coloured crystals, or even as a gooey lump. It's all in the purification /preparation.
 
afaik good dr MD is still on a sabbatical and most of yous wont be seeing him for awhile.
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Will there ever be another illegal source of safrole, on the scale required to supply world demand as was seen years ago? Most seem to think not.
 
There are numerous viable routes to both synthetic Safrole and Piperonal that I'm sure the established criminal networks are more than capable of exploiting. I think it's more a problem of expense than supply. Organised crime is not likely to bother manufacturing MDMA via one of these routes as it is cheaper to simply purchase Piperazines or other research chemicals LEGALLY and then divert them into the ecstasy market. As long as this option is more economically viable than actually manufacturing MDMA we are going to see current trends continue.

I expect a proliferation of small scale clandestine operations will occur, enabling those 'in the know' to source proper MDMA (albeit for a price) but I don't expect the quality of the international 'ecstasy/pill' market to improve anytime soon.
 
Sorry, but i'm not too great at doing all the separate quotes...

The powder is a fine white powder and the smell, i cant quite put my finger on it but it is a very familiar smell to some great pills of 2009, ie Blue T stars and the light green Incredibles. I'm fairly new to all this but definitely got excited after smelling this!

Whether or not it was my low tolerance, well over 6 months since anything decent consumed, but definitely did feel something off the small amount. While i agree it is rare in this country i wouldn't completely rule out that MDMA is not available at all, i have heard first hand reports from friends in different states obtaining powder with very solid mdma outcomes, euphoria, eyewobbles, stiff jaw etc... I could be wrong but i sometimes feel people will often say "it cannot be mdma" simply because they are not able to obtain any themselves!

Feeling "munted" haha just some slang i picked up from here, that nice heady almost a slight intoxicated feeling but none of the other unpleasant alcohol side effects.

I might to another test and take some pics, i think if it contained K it would have shown up in the test results, i didn't bother with mecke, as i didn't see the point!
 
phase_dancer said:
Will there ever be another illegal source of safrole, on the scale required to supply world demand as was seen years ago? Most seem to think not.
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Pipernol is the new synthetic route, at least in Mexico where MDMA production is huge now. I'm not sure what they are using in the Netherlands now but I gather it's pipernol.

Safrol is now being burnt all over the world, they burnt 5 metric tonnes in cambodia and another 5 metric tonnes in camaroon recently.


Boris Badenov said:
There are numerous viable routes to both synthetic Safrole and Piperonal that I'm sure the established criminal networks are more than capable of exploiting. I think it's more a problem of expense than supply. Organised crime is not likely to bother manufacturing MDMA via one of these routes as it is cheaper to simply purchase Piperazines or other research chemicals LEGALLY and then divert them into the ecstasy market. As long as this option is more economically viable than actually manufacturing MDMA we are going to see current trends continue.
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The market has changed, it's about coke now because of the huge profit margins. Secondly I doubt it's easy for any network to organize metric tonnes of precursors or organize 15 million pills for import.

Only the select few have those sort of connections and muscle to move those sorts of units. You can't just go up to Sven in Amsterdam and buy 15 million pills and have them FedEx them to Australia.
 
zookie1 said:
While i agree it is rare in this country i wouldn't completely rule out that MDMA is not available at all, i have heard first hand reports from friends in different states obtaining powder with very solid mdma outcomes, euphoria, eyewobbles, stiff jaw etc... I could be wrong but i sometimes feel people will often say "it cannot be mdma" simply because they are not able to obtain any themselves!
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This is what I expect to see more of. Individuals running into high quality powder being manufactured in small amounts (via synthetic Safrole/Piperonal) by enterprising punters nostalgic for the real deal. Those of us that actually run into it should consider ourselves very lucky.

On another note, I expect the price of 'Molly' (powder/crystal MDMA) to rise as people begin to seek it out specifically. In this way MDMA could return as essentially an expensive boutique product seperate from 'pills/ecstasy'.

[Yeah, I'm full of theories, I know. hehehe!]
 
phase_dancer said:
Will there ever be another illegal source of safrole, on the scale required to supply world demand as was seen years ago? Most seem to think not.
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Is that what this is all about? The penny drops! Still, better a bunch of self-indulgent, privileged first-world twats have to go without their weekend fix than see the safrole tree go extinct.
 
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