Oxy vs H

[What was it?]

well, after experimenting with Oxys orally and rectally I think I can well and truly say I prefer H by a long stretch. Oxy has this really stimulating, speedy edge to it....even at relatively high doses (at least in the beginning) H however really has a MUUUUUCH better rush and stronger nod IMHO. Lucky I've never done H IV.....think I'd get hooked.

Is this just a subjective thing and can anybody else confirm if they've ever gotten that heavy H-like high of Oxys?

Also, what oral dosage in general would (85kg male) need from Oxys (IR) to get on a heavy nod and still remaining in a relatively 'safe' zone with respect to OD. I don't use too often. Mid-tolerance, recreational user. 20mg of Oxys (4 times 5mg Endones is the minimum for me to feel anything noteworthy) starters usually then 10mg follow ups every 3-4 hours.

 

[What was it?]

oh and also, I don't get any skin flushing, itchiness (slightest bit) and heavenly euphoria....just speedy euphoria.....no peaceful bliss as they always say about H (and I agree) and opium.

Is this usual?

 

[Dr Pepper]

Im the opposite; h gets me a decent rush but oxy's is much more euphoric and better feeling all around, especially good doses. Although more $

 

[belarki]

Whether one feels better than the other is always going to be a bit of a subjective question though I'd wager a lot of people would prefer heroin. The one huge advantage I see of oxycodone is being able to have a presice dosage & purity every time. This reducing the risk of an overdose if you know what you're doing; something that's next to impossible with street H.

With Oxy's your dosage seems about right though tolerance is going to largely dictate how much you'd take. 20mg-30mg with zero tolerance is my sweet spot; much more and I get pretty nauseated.

I've never done H IV.....think I'd get hooked.

If you're not IV'ing then please keep it that way Taking oxy rectally is fine and even orally isn't too much of a waste. It actually has less bioavailability if snorted but comes on much faster. I wouldn't re-dose more than once though just to stay safe as I've found it can give you pretty bad residual nausea the next day. If you ever consider injecting oxycodone then a micron filter is essential.

 

[What was it?]

I'm sure I won't ever IV....don't worry (hope this remark doesn't come back to bite me) touch wood.

 

[drug_mentor]

I find the same as you, oxycodone is much "speedier" than heroin and lacks the euphoria of heroin, although some is present. I find oxycodone particularly stimulating if I snort as the primary ROA.

Since you ask about doses, if you want to nod heavily then I would suggest taking 30mg straight up if you have been taking 20mg and redosing. It seems 30mg should not be in the danger zone for you but is a relatively large dose increase (even though its only 10mg its a 50% dose increase so quite considerable) and would likelydo the trick in helping you hit a harder nod.

I would reccomend you purchase an antihistamine as there is a chance this higher dose will cause unpleasantness in the way of itchiness and/or nausea. A sedating antihistamine like promethazine or doxylamine may increase the odds of you hitting a nod, but is probably best left alone in favour of non sedating antihistamines like loratadine when trying a higher dose of oxy for the first time.

You obviously have quite a low opiate tolerance, do yourself a favour and dose infrequently enough to keep it that way. I hope you are being pretty careful with the heroin you are using, because it is a potent drug and with a 20mg oxy tolerance it would not take a great deal of quality shit to have you in trouble.

Have you tried CWE of codeine? It is much more sedating than oxy ime and also much safer (and cheaper) than heroin. The main issue with codeine is there is a maximum dose that can be converted to morphine in the liver (roughly 10% of a 600mg dose, or 60mg morphine) but your oxy toerance is low enough that unless you are deficient in the CYP2D6 enzyme you should easily be able to catch a nod at the right dose.

http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic.cgi This conversion chart puts 200mg oral codeine as equivalent to 20mg oral oxycodone, if you did an extraction on a 24 packet of generic panadeine (240mg codeine) by the time you account for losses in the process it should be similaer to your oxy dose.

 

[What was it?]

Whether one feels better than the other is always going to be a bit of a subjective question though I'd wager a lot of people would prefer heroin. The one huge advantage I see of oxycodone is being able to have a presice dosage & purity every time. This reducing the risk of an overdose if you know what you're doing; something that's next to impossible with street H.

With Oxy's your dosage seems about right though tolerance is going to largely dictate how much you'd take. 20mg-30mg with zero tolerance is my sweet spot; much more and I get pretty nauseated.



If you're not IV'ing then please keep it that way Taking oxy rectally is fine and even orally isn't too much of a waste. It actually has less bioavailability if snorted but comes on much faster. I wouldn't re-dose more than once though just to stay safe as I've found it can give you pretty bad residual nausea the next day. If you ever consider injecting oxycodone then a micron filter is essential.

It's weird, I've never ever had nausea from any opioide, including H, Oxy, morphine, DHC and codeine. I have no idea what the talk is all about. My gf gets terrible vomiting from only 10mgs of Oxy and another mate of mine got nauseous of 20mgs. I guess I'm just lucky. I do however get strange breathing ....not shallow, but just somehow irregular. It might just be the adrenaline and general excitement though as I so rarely do drugs.

 

[ugly]

just to stay safe as I've found it can give you pretty bad residual nausea the next day.

I never knew about this. I learned about it the hard way. I spent more than one day hovering over the toilet after a great night of getting high. The first time I was sick I didn't have a CLUE what was wrong with me.

That is funny and sad.

 

[What was it?]

I find the same as you, oxycodone is much "speedier" than heroin and lacks the euphoria of heroin, although some is present. I find oxycodone particularly stimulating if I snort as the primary ROA.

Since you ask about doses, if you want to nod heavily then I would suggest taking 30mg straight up if you have been taking 20mg and redosing. It seems 30mg should not be in the danger zone for you but is a relatively large dose increase (even though its only 10mg its a 50% dose increase so quite considerable) and would likelydo the trick in helping you hit a harder nod.

I would reccomend you purchase an antihistamine as there is a chance this higher dose will cause unpleasantness in the way of itchiness and/or nausea. A sedating antihistamine like promethazine or doxylamine may increase the odds of you hitting a nod, but is probably best left alone in favour of non sedating antihistamines like loratadine when trying a higher dose of oxy for the first time.

You obviously have quite a low opiate tolerance, do yourself a favour and dose infrequently enough to keep it that way. I hope you are being pretty careful with the heroin you are using, because it is a potent drug and with a 20mg oxy tolerance it would not take a great deal of quality shit to have you in trouble.

Have you tried CWE of codeine? It is much more sedating than oxy ime and also much safer (and cheaper) than heroin. The main issue with codeine is there is a maximum dose that can be converted to morphine in the liver (roughly 10% of a 600mg dose, or 60mg morphine) but your oxy toerance is low enough that unless you are deficient in the CYP2D6 enzyme you should easily be able to catch a nod at the right dose.

http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic.cgi This conversion chart puts 200mg oral codeine as equivalent to 20mg oral oxycodone, if you did an extraction on a 24 packet of generic panadeine (240mg codeine) by the time you account for losses in the process it should be similaer to your oxy dose.

Thanks for the information...really appreciate it. I have used Rikodine quite a bit but hate the sorbitol. I have hit some pretty heavy doses (in my opinion) - 100mls of Rikodeine which is approximately 190mg of DHC. I also get weird breathing off these large doses but am still fully conscious, just a bit wasted. Any way to get rid of the Sorbitol in the Rikodeine???? This would be a bit of a winner if one could.
Never tried CWE as I am too scared it won't work properly and I'll ingest massive amounts of paracetamol.. Is CWE safe and how does it work?
Other thing is I find Oxy much more pleasant than DHC...any thoughts here as to why this is the case?

Also as mentionned above, never ever had nausea...even on my very first opioide experience which was H. Had some IM M recently at the hospital which was great. My preference of what I've tried is definitely H, M, OC, DHC.

Been keeping my use real low just to avoid it taking up too much headspace. I think it's the headspace thing and discipline which has always prevented me from getting addicted. Hope I can keep on going as I have.

 

[What was it?]

I never knew about this. I learned about it the hard way. I spent more than one day hovering over the toilet after a great night of getting high. The first time I was sick I didn't have a CLUE what was wrong with me.

That is funny and sad.

hmmm....ok I'll go easy and slow then.

 

[ugly]

Right?? Could I be any stupider?? Is that even a word?? Damn. I'm high.

 

[DavisK4high247]

I have IV'd both oxycodone and heroin(at seperate times of course),oxycodone is a more "speedy" rush than heroin but heroin has a more powerful high/rush overall in my experience,but since they are two drugs ,both opiates even,they have different effects aka highs,but I have had the heroin high type of nod at higher doses of oxycodone and had a speedy sorta oxycodone -like high from lower doses og heroin.But generally oxycodone is a more "speedy,happy,talkitave high" and heroin can be but is usually a more "sedated,euporic high thats more relaxed and less social "

 

[Sustanon]

well, after experimenting with Oxys orally and rectally I think I can well and truly say I prefer H by a long stretch. Oxy has this really stimulating, speedy edge to it....even at relatively high doses (at least in the beginning) H however really has a MUUUUUCH better rush and stronger nod IMHO. Lucky I've never done H IV.....think I'd get hooked.

Is this just a subjective thing and can anybody else confirm if they've ever gotten that heavy H-like high of Oxys?

Also, what oral dosage in general would (85kg male) need from Oxys (IR) to get on a heavy nod and still remaining in a relatively 'safe' zone with respect to OD. I don't use too often. Mid-tolerance, recreational user. 20mg of Oxys (4 times 5mg Endones is the minimum for me to feel anything noteworthy) starters usually then 10mg follow ups every 3-4 hours.

They are two complete different drugs even tho they are classified as "opiates"
I find that oxys in general are much speedier than Heroin, morphine or Codeine.

That being said Heroin is made from Morphine and Morphine can be made from codeine. Codeine is converted into Morphine via the enzymes found it ur body. So they are all basically share similar effects. They are also alot more seditating compared to oxycodone. Heroin is one of the most potent drugs out of them all (not taking into account Fentalyn). If u prefer the H high just like me id stick to that or morphine / codeine.

Alot of people have been wondering on this site why i prefer codeine over oxys. Well i guess thats one of the reasons why. Hell i cant even sleep after i dose a couple of 80s (High tolerance). I dont even feel that great just off oxys, it just seems that there is sumfn missing.

To get that nod well try combining a high dose of codeine and the normal amount of oxys and maybe adding 120mg of DXM to the mix. I always keep sum travel calm on me when i dose just in case i get sick. Luckily i havnt had the chance to use it for quite sum time now as my tolerance is so high its through the roof.

 

[drug_mentor]

OP, I couldn't tell you exactly why oxycodone feels better than dihydrocodeine, and it is subjective to a point, but I believe this would be the majority of peoples experience with these two drugs. There are probably a lucky few out there who get better effects from DHC but they would be a minority I would think.

I always found oxy kinda unique in the sense of it being a stimulating opioid until I came across DHC, which feels distinctly different to oxycodone but I find rather similar due to the fact its effects are also almost speedy for me.

As far as I am aware there is no easy way to remove the sorbitol from rikodeine unfortunately, it would be awesome if there was.

In regards to the shallow breathing, I doubt this is merely due to adrenaline because you do not use drugs often, it sounds like respiratory depression to me, which is a common side effect of CNS depressants and one of the main ways they can send you to an early grave. Usually you would be quite sedated as this was going on, it is possible with oxycodone you would feel less sedation from a dose causing severe respiratory depression than you would with heroin, so do not be fooled in thinking just because you aren't neccessarily comatose your breathing isn't dangerous.

That said I ain't trying to freak you out, and low to moderate doses of opioids being used on their own (not combined with other CNS depressants in particular) are pretty unlikely to result in death, but do make sure you are aware of your breathing and maybe have somebody to watch you incase things go pear shaped.

CWE is a basic procedure, that works by playing on the fact that codeine is highly soluble in water (dissolves readily) where paracetamol and ibuprofen are very insoluble (don't dissolve into water in any great quantity). The idea is basically, by dissolving the pills in water you will end up with a gunky mixture of insolubles and water that is now filled with codeine, by filtering the codeine rich water away from the insoluble gunk you remove the vast majority of paracetamol and/or ibuprofen.

There is much on this site and the internet in general on CWE, and this is not the thread to discuss the procedure in depth. I have performed this procedure many times and when done properly it works great, I have had liver function tests after CWE'ing regularly that came back OK and have known numerous other avid CWE'ers in the same boat. Just be really careful and don't take any chances, if it doesn't look good filter again etc.

Here is Mr blonde's CWE megathread which should contain anything you need to know about cold water extraction of codeine. Best keep this thread to discussion of the original topic.

 

[What was it?]

OP, I couldn't tell you exactly why oxycodone feels better than dihydrocodeine, and it is subjective to a point, but I believe this would be the majority of peoples experience with these two drugs. There are probably a lucky few out there who get better effects from DHC but they would be a minority I would think.

I always found oxy kinda unique in the sense of it being a stimulating opioid until I came across DHC, which feels distinctly different to oxycodone but I find rather similar due to the fact its effects are also almost speedy for me.

As far as I am aware there is no easy way to remove the sorbitol from rikodeine unfortunately, it would be awesome if there was.

In regards to the shallow breathing, I doubt this is merely due to adrenaline because you do not use drugs often, it sounds like respiratory depression to me, which is a common side effect of CNS depressants and one of the main ways they can send you to an early grave. Usually you would be quite sedated as this was going on, it is possible with oxycodone you would feel less sedation from a dose causing severe respiratory depression than you would with heroin, so do not be fooled in thinking just because you aren't neccessarily comatose your breathing isn't dangerous.

That said I ain't trying to freak you out, and low to moderate doses of opioids being used on their own (not combined with other CNS depressants in particular) are pretty unlikely to result in death, but do make sure you are aware of your breathing and maybe have somebody to watch you incase things go pear shaped.

CWE is a basic procedure, that works by playing on the fact that codeine is highly soluble in water (dissolves readily) where paracetamol and ibuprofen are very insoluble (don't dissolve into water in any great quantity). The idea is basically, by dissolving the pills in water you will end up with a gunky mixture of insolubles and water that is now filled with codeine, by filtering the codeine rich water away from the insoluble gunk you remove the vast majority of paracetamol and/or ibuprofen.

There is much on this site and the internet in general on CWE, and this is not the thread to discuss the procedure in depth. I have performed this procedure many times and when done properly it works great, I have had liver function tests after CWE'ing regularly that came back OK and have known numerous other avid CWE'ers in the same boat. Just be really careful and don't take any chances, if it doesn't look good filter again etc.

Here is Mr blonde's CWE megathread which should contain anything you need to know about cold water extraction of codeine. Best keep this thread to discussion of the original topic.

Cool, thanks for the info on the CWE.

I also agree that DHC give a more speedy high than other opioides-similar to OC, but not that pleasant.

About the respiratory suppression, really not sure what to think. I was always told I had asthma as a child, but never really had an attack. SO recently I went to the hospital and had a check. The doc said no signs of asthma and even above average lung volume. The other thing is when I did H i was by FAR more waste/sedated and can't remember any lung problems (but this is a long time ago). One thing that makes me feel this could however be respiratory suppression is that my gf also got this weird breathing once after re-dosing several times on DHC...she had this weird, hicuppy, staccato-like breathing, but not what I would call shallow, or overtly slowed though-just irregular. I find that on H I can get much higher than on DHC or OC without getting these respiratory issues - or at least so in the past. It all seems a bit strange, but I guess the best thing is to dose low and have somebody that can watch me (I always have, it's a bit of a policy for me).

I always thought one would lose consciousness before the breathing stops, but I'll take your word for it that this is not necessarily the case.

 

[What was it?]

They are two complete different drugs even tho they are classified as "opiates"
I find that oxys in general are much speedier than Heroin, morphine or Codeine.

That being said Heroin is made from Morphine and Morphine can be made from codeine. Codeine is converted into Morphine via the enzymes found it ur body. So they are all basically share similar effects. They are also alot more seditating compared to oxycodone. Heroin is one of the most potent drugs out of them all (not taking into account Fentalyn). If u prefer the H high just like me id stick to that or morphine / codeine.

Alot of people have been wondering on this site why i prefer codeine over oxys. Well i guess thats one of the reasons why. Hell i cant even sleep after i dose a couple of 80s (High tolerance). I dont even feel that great just off oxys, it just seems that there is sumfn missing.

To get that nod well try combining a high dose of codeine and the normal amount of oxys and maybe adding 120mg of DXM to the mix. I always keep sum travel calm on me when i dose just in case i get sick. Luckily i havnt had the chance to use it for quite sum time now as my tolerance is so high its through the roof.

I agree about not being able to sleep well on OCs, same holds for DHC. Even after I have fallen asleep I tend to wake up 3-4 times throughout the night, sometimes with a fright-especially on DHC. And things are definitely turning and spinning aroun me on DHC. Perhaps I just took pretty high doses of DHC....190-220mg usually opposed to oxys 20mg.....the DHC is probably a heavier dose as the Oxys are. Had a look at drug mentor's converter and this definitely seems to be the case.

 

[What was it?]

just another question.....how would you convert DHC to codeine? Wikipedia says anywhere between 1.5 to 2 times the strength of codeine. Any thoughts?

 

[drug_mentor]

^ I would say DHC for me personally is about 1.5 times the potency of codeine mg for mg but in terms of recreational potential DHC falls significantly short. I like to use opiates for sedation and where I need large doses of hypnotic benzo's with DHC to get this effect (please don't do this, I have a decent tolerance to both benzodiazepines and opiates, poly drug use doesn't really qualify as harm minimisation) codeine in itself is quite sedating for me.

I find codeine also has a much better body high, not to mention it lacks a lot of the nasty side effects of drinking Rikodeine, pretty much the only side effect that is worse with CWE is itching and this is easily solved with an antihistamine.

DHC probably does induce a greater sense of contentment in me than codeine does if I am just using either drug on its own (stupidly this is rare, if ever) but codeines warmth and sedation>DHC's slightly greater sense of contentment imho. Also, codeine synergises better with other drugs like marijuana, alcohol and benzodiazepines in my opinion, but as I said earlier I advise you don't get into poly drug use, especially when we are talking about downers.

You are correct in thinking around 200mg of DHC is a higher relative opioid dose than 20mg of oxycodone, not by a huge margin though. Keeping this in mind it reinforces my earlier suggestion that 30mg of oxycodone would be a safe dose for you. Given you dose around 200mg of DHC, 200mg or so of codeine may not be enough to give you a strong high but you probably should keep it to that for a first dose and go from there.

Opiates are a hell of a class of drugs, very addictive but quite subtle and you need the taste to appreciate them. Try not to dose more than once or twice a week, in my experience it is a lot easier to find yourself dosing frequently than it is to scale back your use once you start. I have never had the displeasure of serious opioid withdrawals, but you don't have to look far on this site to find many horrific first hand accounts of it, not good shit.

 

[psytaco]

never tried heroin, and knowing my lack of self control with oxy, I probably should never try it.

i agree with oxy been kind of stimulating. You can do most things on it, be it go talk to people, go for a walk. Hell some of my friends used to take it at doofs (not my thing though). I also get pretty bad insomnia on the stuff too. Though I find a fresh dose whilst lying in bed helps. codeine also gives me problems sleeping.

I don't get much out of codeine. Last night I did a CWE with a max yield of probably around 280mg codeine. I hadn't touched any codeine in probably over a week and a half. it did very little for me. Just kind of relaxed me abit, bit of sedation, and made me having a bit of a hazy headspace. I don't find it offers much in the way of euphoria or that beautiful dreamy headspace that oxy offers. Nor do I think 280mg would be similiar to 20mg Oxy (which would get me feeling nicely euphoric now my tolerance is down).

Do you think I would get alot more out of a higher dose of codeine. Would 40o-500mg be safe?

 

[Crankinit]

^ I'd say you'd be right mate, just up the dose by 50mg or so every time until you get where you're trying.

I don't know if stimulating is the right word, but oxy is definately less sedating and heavy than most other opiates (though I haven't done enough H to make a comparison).