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Opioids Defeating the new OC time release

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defeated already

there are two coats to remove use metal finger nail file gently removes coating
 
^care to elaborate a little more?:\

re: M.E.K ingestion - i'd be dilligent if using it in the process as to make sure your final product is free from larger traces of it.

there's CNS depression associated with doses over the TLV (threshold limit value) of M.E.K (from the MSDS) along with irritation to the respiratory system and eyes.

risk phases said:
(The meaning of any risk phrases which appear in this section is given here.)
R11 R36 R37 R66 R67.
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R11 Highly flammable.
R36 Irritating to eyes.
R37 Irritating to respiratory system.
R66 Repeated exposure may cause skin dryness or cracking.
R67 Vapours may cause drowsiness and dizziness.

it's all there in the msds and i'm sure there's a lot more info out there saying the same so to whoever said they searched and it was concluded that it's relatively safe to ingest, i disagree.
 
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^ i disagree also, i said it before.. get some PEG300 since it's already an ingredient in the pill adding more to it shouldn't make it gel or else it would start off as gel (get what im saying?) I personally have no experience with OP's or OC's for the past 3 years for that matter.. but i bet you could add enough to just cover the powder, stir and let it sit a while and filter it out with say a coffee filter and let dry and i bet you can snort that baby up with minimum gelling.. this is of course not backed up by any evidence but it is the only thing i can think of.. if i had access to OP's i would test it myself but i disconnected myself with those people to stay clean.. well suboxone clean.. and of course still use benzos wayy too much.but anyways..
Chemicals to try can be found at:
researchsupply.net
under chemicals/solvents.
 
Sorry if this was asked, but Ive only read the first few pages, and a few later ones too.

But what about taken sublingualy? Will that help at all, maybe be able to disolve a bit and then keep under your tounge to take in the good stuff, and at the end be just left with a gel ball that you can throw away at the end....

I got a bunch of these new ones, but still have the old ones too, so I haven't been messing with the new guys.... But I did take one orally yesterday, because after all these years I never swallowed an 80, and to be honest I always wanted to, So I figured now is a better time then ever.....

So sublingualy? Any good?
 
BlackZWRX said:
Sorry if this was asked, but Ive only read the first few pages, and a few later ones too.

But what about taken sublingualy? Will that help at all, maybe be able to disolve a bit and then keep under your tounge to take in the good stuff, and at the end be just left with a gel ball that you can throw away at the end....

I got a bunch of these new ones, but still have the old ones too, so I haven't been messing with the new guys.... But I did take one orally yesterday, because after all these years I never swallowed an 80, and to be honest I always wanted to, So I figured now is a better time then ever.....

So sublingualy? Any good?
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im thinking it will turn into a gel type substance in your mouth and feel like someone just blew their load into your mouth.
 
The Middle Pages Are ALWAYS the Best!

Sorry if this was asked, but Ive only read the first few pages, and a few later ones too.

But what about taken sublingualy? Will that help at all, maybe be able to disolve a bit and then keep under your tounge to take in the good stuff, and at the end be just left with a gel ball that you can throw away at the end....

I got a bunch of these new ones, but still have the old ones too, so I haven't been messing with the new guys.... But I did take one orally yesterday, because after all these years I never swallowed an 80, and to be honest I always wanted to, So I figured now is a better time then ever.....

So sublingualy? Any good?
HdoubleODeezy said:
im thinking it will turn into a gel type substance in your mouth and feel like someone just blew their load into your mouth.
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So, you're saying "No", then... right?


... Or are you asking that the person read the other 534 posts like the rest of us!

The new OP pills can NOT get wet without gelling up.
 
yeah the lipid solubility of the pill is only going to be as efficient as the time release mechanism allows, which is sweet fuck all in this case.

So has anyone tried injecting after doing the M.E.K evaporation method? Does the altered powder still gel up when you add water to it?
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the M.E.K is used to get rid of the "crap" that's going to make it gel. if you've performed this correctly i don't see any reason why it would gel. how safe the left over substance is to IV after being filtered isn't for me to guess.
 
pixplzthx said:
So, you're saying "No", then... right?


... Or are you asking that the person read the other 534 posts like the rest of us!

The new OP pills can NOT get wet without gelling up.
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i was saying no, because i knew if they get wet they gel up which is why i said it would turn into a gel like substance.. and yes they should have read not ALL the posts but at least some and they would know that wetness makes them turn to gel, and they wouldn't have needed to ask that question because they would know the answer themselves.
 
Ok... it is obvious M.E.K isnt safe like water. It is an industrial chemical. However, from what I research, its main advantage as a solvent is its ability to rapidly evaporate leaving microscopic amounts of residue. From everything I read, M.E.K is rapidly excreted from your body and small amounts of the substance have virtually no negative health effects when ingested. Most of the health side effects listed in previous posts focus on M.E.K on your skin (chronically, such as if you handle it for work) or if you are breathing large amounts of its fumes. Here's something I read about M.E.K health effects:

(source: (http://www.eco-usa.net/toxics/chemicals/2-butanone.shtml )
"Your body gets rid of 2-butanone in urine and in the air you breathe out. 2-butanone is not a chemical that stays in your body for very long; it will be gone by the next day."

"The main health effects that have been seen in humans who breathed higher concentrations of 2-butanone are mild irritation of the nose, throat, eyes, and skin."

"Serious health effects in animals have been seen only at very high concentrations of 2-butanone. These high concentrations are not expected in the usual use of 2-butanone or in the vicinity of hazardous waste sites."


I also read that the MAXIMUM residue left after evaporation is 5PPM (see below for source)-- 5 parts per million. This means the MOST residue that can be left over after evaporation is %0.0005 which is probably microscopic to the amount used to dissolve oxycodone. M.E.K is not a known carcinogen and the health complications its known to cause are generally irritation on the skin, eyes, or when inhaled.

--http://www.merck-chemicals.com/usa/omnisolv-2-butanone/EMD_CHEM-BX1673/p_ZEmb.s1OxkcAAAEncSl0Dd6u


This being said... use M.E.K at your own risk and proceed with caution, but from what I read--- it seems that using a few drops of M.E.K to dissolve your OC, and then fully evaporating it (possibly consider applying some heat to your dissolving spoon to ensure full evaporation) will leave only miniscule trace amounts of M.E.K-- a thoroughly studied industrial solvent that doesnt have any real severe health side effects when ingested in this amount.

What do you guys think?
 
Ok... have you guys read

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/08/slides/2008-4356s1-05-Purdue.pdf

???

There is no sense re-inventing the wheel--- Purdue has already done most of the research fo how to extract oxycodone from OPs for us.

Besides the obvious Simple, Medium, and Complex solvent thing that has everyone confused--- here is some information you guys should consider in ur investigations:

1.) At room temperature, using commonly found solvents, the best they could do was extracting 50% of the oxycodone for SHORT DURATION Shakign Extractions at room temperature.

2.) At room temperature with some less readily available solvents, extraction was as high as 70% during a "SHORT DURATION" shaking extraction at room temp.

3.) When we are dealing with EXTENDED extraction times at ROOM temperature--- some SIMPLE HOUSEHOLD solvents extracted up to 78% of the oxycodone! That might mean leaving some oxycodone soaked in acetone, M.E.K, or Ether for some time. How long? I suppose we can experiment with a pill-- 1 hour, 2, hour, 4 hours-- shaking and stirring it. In the end, I woudl assume we would filter out the gunk, evaporate the solvent, and be left with pure oxycodone residue. The 22% or so that wasnt extracted would remain in the gunk we filter. There was on simple solvent, however, that only got 2-9% out--- in otherwords destroying the alkaloid entirely. Not sure which one that is but maybe we can research solvents known to destroy oxycodone molecules. The Medium and Complex solvents all removed most of the oxycodone when leaving them at room temperature for extended periods of time. I am thinking Ether might be considered a medium solvent and would probably work great for this.

4.) Extraction at elevtaed temperatures had adverse effects on the oxycodone so we can safely exclude that from our experiments and stick to room temperature experiments.


5.) Some further informatino regarding their methods of extracting oxycodone:

“During in vitrotesting, tablets were manipulated to recover oxycodone by crushing, milling, heating, and crushing followed by boiling and filtering fragments, and crushing followed by extracting with various solvents, including ethanol.The tablets either did not break or broke into fragments that retained some of the controlled-release characteristics.When in contact with aqueous media, the tablets or the fragments formed a gelatinous mass.”

For any of you trying to experiment with these pills, this is the starting place. Agreed?
 
TheTuneOfTurbo said:
So if you didn't give it enough time did all of the Acetone evaporate? You didn't ingest any of it did you? J/W,


I did actually. Only a little bc i only ground up like a third of a pill. The rest i let sit in soda for about 15 min. no dissolving...nothing :-( bummer.
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jaystyle said:
Ok... it is obvious M.E.K isnt safe like water. It is an industrial chemical. However, from what I research, its main advantage as a solvent is its ability to rapidly evaporate leaving microscopic amounts of residue. From everything I read, M.E.K is rapidly excreted from your body and small amounts of the substance have virtually no negative health effects when ingested. Most of the health side effects listed in previous posts focus on M.E.K on your skin (chronically, such as if you handle it for work) or if you are breathing large amounts of its fumes. Here's something I read about M.E.K health effects:

(source: (http://www.eco-usa.net/toxics/chemicals/2-butanone.shtml )
"Your body gets rid of 2-butanone in urine and in the air you breathe out. 2-butanone is not a chemical that stays in your body for very long; it will be gone by the next day."

"The main health effects that have been seen in humans who breathed higher concentrations of 2-butanone are mild irritation of the nose, throat, eyes, and skin."

"Serious health effects in animals have been seen only at very high concentrations of 2-butanone. These high concentrations are not expected in the usual use of 2-butanone or in the vicinity of hazardous waste sites."


I also read that the MAXIMUM residue left after evaporation is 5PPM (see below for source)-- 5 parts per million. This means the MOST residue that can be left over after evaporation is %0.0005 which is probably microscopic to the amount used to dissolve oxycodone. M.E.K is not a known carcinogen and the health complications its known to cause are generally irritation on the skin, eyes, or when inhaled.

--http://www.merck-chemicals.com/usa/omnisolv-2-butanone/EMD_CHEM-BX1673/p_ZEmb.s1OxkcAAAEncSl0Dd6u


This being said... use M.E.K at your own risk and proceed with caution, but from what I read--- it seems that using a few drops of M.E.K to dissolve your OC, and then fully evaporating it (possibly consider applying some heat to your dissolving spoon to ensure full evaporation) will leave only miniscule trace amounts of M.E.K-- a thoroughly studied industrial solvent that doesnt have any real severe health side effects when ingested in this amount.

What do you guys think?
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MEK is highly flammable.
 
TheTuneOfTurbo said:
So if you didn't give it enough time did all of the Acetone evaporate? You didn't ingest any of it did you? J/W,


I did actually. Only a little bc i only ground up like a third of a pill. The rest i let sit in soda for about 15 min. no dissolving...nothing :-( bummer.
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jaystyle said:
From what i rea dont he internet, there is no known serious harmfull effects of M.E.K except in very large doses. Acetone & M.E.K are known to evaporate almost completely from what I heard--- I use to make hash with Acetone and it'd all evaporate leaving the dissolve din the solvent behind.

I tried this M.E.K thing with some shredded OP80.... I put very little in there just to get it slightly damp, waited for it to evaporate, and when I snorted it - it was still gooey and fucked up my nose.

Didn't seem to work at all... was I supposed to use more or let it sit longer, or was this a big sham?
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it should be ground not shredded to a fine powder and not gooey at all , i would say u did not let it evaporate u must make certain it is mixed well so that the m e k comes in contact with every particle , very little of the filler makes alot of blue goo , make sure it is finely ground and all of it comes in contact with m e k or u will still have blue goo , make sure it is dry and no smell or trace of m e k , it should be nice and dry much like the old ones , i have got it down pretty good now, i am satisfied when i am about ready to giveup i can escape reality for a few hours , i would not do this everyday ,but at least i know i can when i am unable to walk and am totally losing it escaping reality really helps when u know u will not have use of legs much longer ,then after legs r gone its gonna get worse
 
micsmith said:
u have to put in the oven at 250 for maybe 10 to 20 min. they will break apart easily at this point into little pieces. then u put in ur spoon and fill up with water. then i used a burner on my gas stove to heat. adding water as pill breaks down. it works. all u end up with at the end is the binder new stuff they put in there. looks like cotton. the water taste like oxy and when injected def work s well. all that was left on spoon was new binders. def sucks to do compared to old ones but i did it.

This works. just tried it and worked fine.
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^Has anybody tried this but instead of injecting it just swallowed it?

I just got 10 op 20's for .10c a milligram. but I don't know wtf to do with them. My tolerance is about 60mg oral.

Ok, would saliva be acidic enough to break it down? Is their any enzymes on the market that would be able to break down the polymer?

So I broke one 20 into about eight pieces and I have been eating one piece at a time, they seem to melt after leaving them in my mouth for a while. So I'm thinking maybe if I spit in a cup, the saliva might be able to break it down.
 
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leftwing said:
here's the MSDS on M.E.K (Methyl Ethyl Ketone)

since i stupidly managed to spill some bong water on me i'll be back to read a bit more thoroughly after my shower.

just from what i did see though it doesn't seem like a very safe or smart idea ingesting any of it.
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THANK YOU Leftwing... I think it is very important to research this MEK before people can get the idea from bluelight and start to use this method to defeat the time release on the OP's. If it is not harmful to use this MEK then that is great. I would just hate to see a large group of people get sick or cause themselves problems later on from using this method. It would definitely be bad for Bluelight IMHO.
 
I think Acetone will be the secret here... not MLK. From what I Read on WIKI & google, Acetone is RENOUND for its ability to breakdown Polymers, and due to its "low Polarity" it is a more effective solvent.

ALSO---- Recipes which call for creation of OXYMORPHONE from OXYCODONE all use Acetone as the solvent to dissolve Oxycodone in. That being said, we can feel pretty safe knowing acetone is NOT the solvent which seems to destroy Oxycodone as listed in the PUrdue PDF file.

IF its not at a hardware store, u can buy it online from places like:
http://www.labsafety.com/search/acetone/24539366/?s_kwcid=TC|5288|acetone||S|p|3697499096

You guys may want to post on my thread for experiments regarding OP extraction:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=523580
 
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