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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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Well, my AMT was always in vials... so the scent gets stored up... I'm sure its considerably less with plastic bagging. When you open it up though you should definitely be able to smell it.
 
hi there! i know that amt is said to be maoi but is there anybody who really experienced some discomfort when using it in combinations (mdma, meph, amph) at all? thanks.
 
Gaaaaaargh!!!

I've now just read that freebase AMT is a tan/off white powder the one I've binned was bright white so I'd be careful to anyone who's recently bought freebase AMT who knows what it is
 
mistereman said:
Gaaaaaargh!!!

I've now just read that freebase AMT is a tan/off white powder the one I've binned was bright white so I'd be careful to anyone who's recently bought freebase AMT who knows what it is
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May be AMT HCl.

Try putting some in some water and see if it dissolves. If it does, its the HCl salt. No big deal. Just 20% higher dose.
 
Xamkou said:
How long does it take to begin affecting you if insufflated? And does it reduce the experience duration also?
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Seriously, snorting is probably the least appropriate, efficient and pleasant way of taking this drug, especially if you have the freebase. Why anyone would want to do it when there are other methods which are far better is beyond me.

For your information, it's also an irritant. Anybody who enjoys putting irritants on their membranes just for the sake of it should go ahead and ignore my advice.

You can do it, sure. You can also drink wine out of a shoe, but as a glass works so well, why bother?
 
I have been running on empty the last few weekend's. 25mg every 6-8 waking hours mostly, I enjoyed a nice pick me speedy, intresting world. If I dosed higher I got a want to lie down body load. But last w-e on the last day I got vile and frequent black shites every hour or two interspersed with buckle up stomach cramps. In my case and I have a strong tolerance to the body side effects of Tryps the BL precludes any potential for long term abuse of AMT.
 
gannetsarewe said:
I have been running on empty the last few weekend's. 25mg every 6-8 waking hours mostly, I enjoyed a nice pick me speedy, intresting world. If I dosed higher I got a want to lie down body load. But last w-e on the last day I got vile and frequent black shites every hour or two interspersed with buckle up stomach cramps. In my case and I have a strong tolerance to the body side effects of Tryps the BL precludes any potential for long term abuse of AMT.
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Be careful with this one. AET (ethyl homologue of AMT) was withdrawn from the antidepressant market for the occurrence of agranulocytosis in a non trivial amount of patients, and this was at much lower doses (especially comparing the effective dose of the two compounds). I'm not sure how much this would carry over to AMT, but I'd treat this more like MDMA and try to keep it to a few times a year, or at least avoid binging.
 
The fact that AMT does have such a high bodyload for some (it doesn't for me - especially compared to most phens) keeps most people from doing it on a constant basis.

AMT was in use in Russia longer than AET here in the states though and there were no reports of agranulocytosis that I'm aware of but the reports on "toxicity" are hard to find... I think AMT was mainly pulled because of its abuse potential.

AET has been shown to have the neurotoxicity of MDMA though so it wouldn't surprise me if AMT did as well.
 
mistereman said:
Gaaaaaargh!!!

I've now just read that freebase AMT is a tan/off white powder the one I've binned was bright white so I'd be careful to anyone who's recently bought freebase AMT who knows what it is
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Actually pure AMT freebase that is fresh and not degraded is sparkly chalky white. The best AMT I ever had was straight from the chemist and it was bright white.

I'm not saying it IS AMT, just that it very well could be. What does it smell like? Is it a very strong smell?

Xamkou said:
How long does it take to begin affecting you if insufflated? And does it reduce the experience duration also?
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Insufflated starts in like 30 minutes and peaks maybe an hour and a half, and yes it does shorten the duration. However, I strongly recommend against this for AMT. First of all, as mentioned, AMT freebase (and maybe the salts, but I don't know) is an irritant to mucous membranes and nasal cavities. It burns, BAD, for at least 20 minutes. It's honestly horrible. And it's not fast like many other things snorted, just a little faster. And about the same dose too.

PM Shambles if you're interested in smoking/vaporizing... apparently it works quite well but I haven't done it. And it still takes 30-60 minutes to come up.

Honestly the best route for me is rectal. The dose is the same, but the come-up is faster and the come-down/aftereffects are shorter, and the main effects, the peak and plateau, last about the same amount of time as with oral. Also, rectal eliminates the AMT being in your stomach which dramatically cuts down on nausea, and overall there is a lot less bodyload. It's just the best way to take it IMO, keeping in mind I have never used needles.

stom10 said:
Be careful with this one. AET (ethyl homologue of AMT) was withdrawn from the antidepressant market for the occurrence of agranulocytosis in a non trivial amount of patients, and this was at much lower doses (especially comparing the effective dose of the two compounds). I'm not sure how much this would carry over to AMT, but I'd treat this more like MDMA and try to keep it to a few times a year, or at least avoid binging.
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DEFINITELY follow this advice. Take it from me, possibly the most severe abuser of AMT ever for much of 2006 and most of 2007. If you use it sparingly, it will be a wonderful drug every time, and it will probably leave you feeling tired but in great spirits, with the antidepressant effect lingering on for days or even up to a week. No crash like with MDMA in the next few days at all.

However, if you use it too much, without allowing your neurotransmitters to replenish their stores, then you will feel the symptoms of serotonin depletion just like you can by abusing MDMA. My symptoms were extreme fatigue, extreme mood swings, feeling like I'd been run over by a truck. I would get brain zaps extremely severely, sometimes 10 or so in a row that would have me falling down in the middle of the hallway. I also had sleep paralysis and the most intense and doom-filled dreams of my life. I was generally completely miserable and nauseous along with the symptoms I described, for like 4 or 5 days, and then I felt much better (but I was still run down for quite a while... I didn't feel quite right for months after the 4-5 days but it was just a general malaise, apathy, and lots of fatigue (likely the result of me getting very little sleep at all during this entire period =D)

So yeah, don't abuse it. Don't abuse any drug or any psychedelic, but definitely not AMT especially. I don't do this anymore, but when I used to use way too many psychedelics, I would take quite a variety of chemicals much too often, even 3 or 4 days in a row. These included 2C-B, 2C-E, 2C-I, 4-AcO-DMT, DOC, and AMT. Of those, only AMT left me feeling like I had hurt myself. After the others multiple days in a row, and in fact any psychedelic I've tried except for MDMA (if you consider it psychedelic even), I'd be fine as long as I could get enough sleep between those 3 or so nights.

*Please note I am NOT condoning or recommending anyone to trip multiple days in a row regularly, on AMT or anything else. It's alright for a special event like a psychedelic festival but other than that, all it does it make the psychedelics slowly begin to feel just like some other drug, nothing very magical anymore. And then even if you take a break for 7 months without anything (as I did), you will still permanently have a massive tolerance to psychedelics and a hard time having a trip that really overwhelms you and takes you for a ride.
 
Wow I never experienced anything like that from my AMT binges. I'm sorry to hear about that Xor... :(

Anyway I did notice that when I binged on AMT, I would get so wrapped up in it that I didn't even realize what was going on around me anymore. I felt like I was in the middle of the Matrix instead of living inside or outside of it... Its really hard to explain. When I would go on AMT benders, to others I seemed perfectly fine other than my bright nature, my blown pupils, and and my massive philosophical insights. I could go about my day to day tasks without any issues whatsoever or arousing suspicion "Oh my pupils? My doc put me on Paxil" but >I< was not there. Where >I< was, I have no idea.

Also, I have had doses of AMT where one pupil was significantly larger than the other or where they would actually switch from one being dilated to the other being dilated and the one that was dilated not being dilated - this is a sign of brain damage. I didn't know then what I do now - I thought it was a cool effect and just blew it off - but that is an early sign of potential seizure activity or brain hemorrhaging and a number of other dangerous brain issues.

AMT and AET both have structural similarity and somewhat similar effects on the brain although AET tends to be less stimulating and more like MDMA - so the toxicology profile of the two is probably somewhat similar.

Tread lightly with this stuff. I went on my benders. I learned my lesson. I don't honestly believe that I suffered any serious long term damage (in fact it wasn't until I started binging on MDMA that I began to suffer panic disorder which I still have to this day) - and it has been almost 7 years since I stopped binging on it - but who knows what could show up in the future?

Don't take psychedelics every day. I've done it. It sucks. It can completely ruin your life, you can end up dead (either as a direct consequence of the drug, something the drug caused such as anorexia or extreme appetite suppression, something you did on the drug (I almost walked off a cliff on nutmeg), you can end up in jail, or worse you can end up a vegetable.

I lucked out. Went on massive benders with DXM for a good year or two, went on a 4 month binge on AMT, went on a year long binge on 5-MeO-AMT, went on 10+ pill a night MDMA benders, and I was taking so many phens that my 2C-I tolerance at one point got to 60mg.

I'm lucky that all I escaped with was panic disorder and depression - it could have been SO much worse. None of these substances were ever meant to be abused daily. Hell look what daily alcohol consumption does and how quickly a person deteriorates from just that. Now you're talking about psychedelic substances that effect NUMEROUS receptors in the brain (serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine, and MAO if I am not mistaken in the case of AMT) and it just gets to the point of idiocy. These can cause serious psychological damage which in many cases can be worse than the physical damage!

For your own sake, be careful with these substances!
 
I hear ye boys, I got myself into ropes and ropes of troubles with mushrooms a few years ago, I set myself back years in a few months of binging and upping dosages to counteract tolerance.

AMT will not cause a brain hemorrhage, it may for all i know induce one, but if a hemorrhage is in the post for you it is in the post and you will only avoid it by dying first or having your aneurysm prophylactically sealed. Certain activity or conditions can increase the risk of the condition occuring before you die but it is generally congenital.
 
Redosing when its already hit you isn't as potent... but I agree... guage it to see how it affects you.

On another note, who has plugged AMT and what's the best way to get freebase in solution for plugging purposes? :)
 
Dump the freebase aMT into the back end of an unplunged syringe with the needle cut off with a wire cutter and the edges filed down smooth. Squirt about 20 mL of white vinegar into it with another syringe and wait until it's clear. Dilute with another 20 mL of water. Squirt up your butt. That's it. You're welcome.
 
Figured it was vinegar that would do it. Thanks for that.

Also if I dump AMT freebase in water, it won't dissolve at all (distilled) right? But most impurities probably will?>
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Redosing when its already hit you isn't as potent... but I agree... guage it to see how it affects you.

On another note, who has plugged AMT and what's the best way to get freebase in solution for plugging purposes? :)
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So redosing is not as potent but does it significantly prolong the trip? Thanks.
 
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