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"blackout rush" after smoking ethcathinone?

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Hi,

I'm new to smoking stimulants and in fact, ethcathinone is the first stimulant I ever smoked. (Intranasally I did methylone, ethcat, MDPV, buphedrone and plain speed/amph.)

I smoke (vaporize) my ethcat off an aluminium foil heated by a lighter or candle. Then inhale using a straw or similar. I usually inhale as much vapor as my lungs can handle, then stand up (if I was sitting or lying before) and wait a few seconds.

As soon as the ethcat arrives in my brain, I experience a rush that feels like a "whole-body-orgasm" and blackout at the same time. The blackout often makes my eyes blind for a few moments, relaxes my muscles and is sometimes so strong that I just collapse and fall down to the floor. After the rush, I'm often confused and need a few seconds to realize who I am, where I am and what the fuck just happened. Even though, the whole experience is quite pleasurable.

Is this reaction typical for smoking stimulants? Would I experience a similar "blackout rush" with smoked methamphetamine or maybe buphedrone? Or does this type of blackout occur with ethcathinone only? Maybe related to the fact that ethcathinone is a selective noradrenaline release agent whereas other stimulants also affect dopamine and sometimes serotonine.


P.S.: If the topic better fits ADD, feel free to move.
 
That really doesn't sound that healthy, but I know. I've yet to smoke any stimulants.

I do know this much, smoking methamphetamine does not cause a blackout rush. It sounds like you have found a really novel ROA.

Be safe, having to remind yourself of who you are or pick yourself off the floor after blacking out sounds counter intuitive to a good time in my book. Thats just me though.
 
I've had similar experiences with meth. My vision wouldn't go black.. It would usually go white. I wouldn't fall, more like, "forced" to lay down.

I've never forgotten who I was. I have forgotten what I was doing quite often.
 
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chompy said:
don't stand up so fast next time?
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Short and precise. :p

I did a few more trials using different smoking positions. And I can confirm that standing up too fast after smoking on my knees (bending my head forward) caused my strong blackouts. No proper blackout when I stay where I am after inhalation. But what's the reason for this? Low blood pressure in my brain while lots and lots of ethcat molecules cross the blood-brain-barrier. And then?


Then again, the reason why I always stood up after smoking was because I wanted to intensify the rush. And I still greatly prefer the "blackout rush" to the rush I experience lying on the floor or sitting around.

Therefore I'd like to know if my "blackout rush" is physically dangerous. (Apart from the danger involved in crashing to the floor. After one painful experience, I made sure my smoking spot is a safe place to collapse.)
 
skoat said:
I do know this much, smoking methamphetamine does not cause a blackout rush. It sounds like you have found a really novel ROA.
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Smoking meth can definitely cause a blackout rush. It's happened to me plenty of times with the strongest rushes, just due to lack of oxygen in your brain I'd assume.
 
Korn3x said:
how does ethcathinone differ from methcathinone?
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Well, it's got an ethyl on the nitrogen instead of a methyl, of course!

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It's a selective NE releaser, decent stimulant, but not something on quite the level of methcathinone or methamphetamine (thankfully). If you're familiar with Tenuate Dospan (sp?) aka diethylpropion, it's the active metabolite of that.
 
lazydullard said:
I've had similar experiences with meth. My vision wouldn't go black.. It would usually go white. I wouldn't fall, more like, "forced" to lay down.

I've never forgotten who I was. I have forgotten what I was doing quite often.
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Sounds quite similar to what I experienced. Me too, I usually wouldn't fall. Rather sit down on my knees/hands. And it's only a brief period of confusion for me (30 seconds to a minute). Though, during these seconds, I might even forget who I am and completely lose comprehension of "life", "universe", "time", etc. But in order to achieve this state, I need to smoke lying on the floor (or kneeing with my head bent forward), then quickly stand up before the effects of the drug kick in. This really potentiates the effects for me.


footscrazy said:
Smoking meth can definitely cause a blackout rush. It's happened to me plenty of times with the strongest rushes, just due to lack of oxygen in your brain I'd assume.
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So I can expect the same kind of blackout smoking any stimulant? Or smoking any drug that results in a strong rush (e.g. heroin)?


TheAzo said:
It's a selective NE releaser, decent stimulant, but not something on quite the level of methcathinone or methamphetamine (thankfully). If you're familiar with Tenuate Dospan (sp?) aka diethylpropion, it's the active metabolite of that.
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I don't know too many stimulants (buphedrone, ethcat, MDPV, methylone, dimethocaine, dirty street amphetamine). But I agree that ethcath is not very impressive intranasally. Keeps you awake, slight euphoria, nothing else. Would even prefer buphedrone which is not so strong either, but simply feels better (more dopaminergic push, less (nor)adrenaliney agitation).

But smoking ethcath really wowed me. Now I know why people talk about a "rush" when inhaling or shooting stuff, compared to other ROA. Even my first time on methylone (which was so amazing I'll never forget) can't compare to this feeling. Then again, ethcath is the only stimulant I ever smoked and smoking "better"/stronger stimulants will propably wow me again.
 
Was it the free base or the HCl salt that was smoked?

How does the doses compare to oral and intranasal ingestion?
 
Rcs are fucked up. Methylone made me rush so hard so intensly that I thought I was going to end up in er until everything started feeling like a marshmellow and I chilled back and turned the music up but I had weird blackouts when I woke up from it when I was using rcs for awhile
 
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