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Okay ive been on and off opiates for 5 years from vicodin to IV heroin. Darvocet to Fentynal. I just recently got on suboxon after my last IV oxy stint in maui for the last two months.

i started at 8mg a day, now im at 16 mg, and feel alright but when it turns to night is start to get anxious and crave alittle. i dont know if im taking to much, cuz i heard the tapering and withdrawls can be hell. so maybe i should go down to eight a day, four in the morning and four when it turns dark. other than that suboxon is a wonder drug. really helps. its been almost seven days...its still kinda hard, i have barely been drinking beer or anything...i guess ijust need to get used to being sober all the time...
 
Thing with suboxone is: less is more. I've been on it for 9 months so far and never exceed 2mg a day. I wake up and IV .5mg and do it 2more times later on the day. Less dosages gives you more euphoria as well and less side effects like headaches I would always get taking 8mg +..give it a shot
 
I got prescribed 16mg a day and I feel like this dose is perfect for me.
No cravings at all, only very slight side-effects like itching, and some fatigue, but I take provigil to keep me awake and productive during the day. I don't feel any sort of high from the suboxone after 2 weeks of being on it. The first few times I took it I did a little, but that's gone now and I feel pretty much completely sober. My sub doctor gives me UAs whenever I see him so I can't do any other drugs either.

It is indeed a wonder drug, but it's still a drug, but I'm okay with that for now.

The thing that I almost forgot was the bad interaction they warn about with benzos. I got offered a valium, forgot about the warnings, took it, then quickly remembered and forced myself to puke it up...-_-...kinda very dumb of me...both the fact that I'm still hanging out with people who would offer me free pharmies, and the fact that I took it...
One of my friends was hospitalized recently from mixing suboxone with an unknown dose of powdered diazepam. So I'm warning you guys too

good luck!
 
ya i drank some beers the other night and it made me a total dick and i blacked out and did some stupid shit...its hard not doing opiates and not being able to drink either
 
I'm not condoning drinking on Sub, but as your body gets used to it you should be able to have a few beers without blacking out.

I dunno about getting wasted though, anyway congratulations on getting off the junk.
 
It took me about 2 weeks to really get used to sub. After the first two weeks your body gets used to it and u'll feel better on it, at least I did.

Everyone is different, so everyone needs a different dose. Some people do well on low doses and some need higher doses. Just cuz others only need 1-2mg and are ok, doesn't mean it's the dose you should be taking. Listen to your body when determining what is a good sub dose for you, not people on the internet. I mean, you can take suggestions but ultimately listen to how your body reacts when determining that ideal dose for you.
 
I got prescribed 16mg a day and I feel like this dose is perfect for me.
No cravings at all, only very slight side-effects like itching, and some fatigue, but I take provigil to keep me awake and productive during the day. I don't feel any sort of high from the suboxone after 2 weeks of being on it. The first few times I took it I did a little, but that's gone now and I feel pretty much completely sober. My sub doctor gives me UAs whenever I see him so I can't do any other drugs either.

It is indeed a wonder drug, but it's still a drug, but I'm okay with that for now.

The thing that I almost forgot was the bad interaction they warn about with benzos. I got offered a valium, forgot about the warnings, took it, then quickly remembered and forced myself to puke it up...-_-...kinda very dumb of me...both the fact that I'm still hanging out with people who would offer me free pharmies, and the fact that I took it...
One of my friends was hospitalized recently from mixing suboxone with an unknown dose of powdered diazepam. So I'm warning you guys too

good luck!


You puked up your sub? or the valium..?

And ive been on subs for 15ish months. I've gotten to the point where im not ok with being dependent anymore so ive been tapering. Down from 12 to 1 a day. been on 1 for a few weeks and still not leveled out yet, still get that shitty feeling you get before restless limbs set in for most of the day.


I wouldn't recommend going on suboxone long term unless you really need too for cravings, i wish i hadn't because ive had minor withdrawal for 4 months strait so far, with a few more at least to come.
 
see i dont wanna be on subs for more than six months due to all the horror stories ive heard about tapering and sub withdrawls. but right now its nice because it keeps me not hitting the streets stealing shit to pawn off to cope dope. i feel as if i have never touched drugs in my life.
 
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see i dont wanna be on subs for more than six months due to all the horror stories ive heard about tapering and sub withdrawls. but right now its nice because it keeps me not hitting the streets stealing shit to pawn off to cope dope. i feel as if i have never touched drugs in my life.

ive recently heard this from some other people on here as well. for me sub withdrawal was a cakewalk compared to oxy, heroin, and methadone. a slow taper is needed but it was incredibly painless compared to all other opiates. i would say stay on the subs until you think you wont go back to opiates and are truly ready to give them up completely. best of luck
 
Everyone's different, some people say Subs have no withdrawal, but for me it was completely different. One thing to beware of is that Suboxone makes you feel just about sober, you don't feel like you are getting high, so you think you can just go off of them. For me this was not true. But I was using high dosages, I probably quit at least at 8mg, which is way too much to quit from.


My advice is simple. Keep your dose low, and taper it lower constantly. Also, do not stay on Subs for more than a month. Do your taper down to under 1mg in one month. Anything else I cannot advise.
 
you shoot suboxone? is i that even possible?

Very possible. The BUpe has a higher affinity than the naloxone in subs so the naloxone doesn't work. The only way you'll get sick from subs is if you do opiates, then take subs with opiates already in your system...

Check out the mega-thread for suboxone in other Drugs forum and you'll see lots of people shoot their suboxone.
 
You puked up your sub? or the valium..?

I puked up the valium.
With the sub I let it dissolve under my tongue to the point where i couldn't puke it up if I wanted to.
Also about the advice that you shouldn't be on it longer than one month, that's the opposite advice from what my sub doctor tells me (I do realize he may be biased) , he says the longer you are on it the farther removed you are from your lifestyle of being a druggie, and the better chance you have to stay off opiates permanently when you do finally taper down. My plan is to stay on it for about 1 school semester, then be 100% clean by the time the following semester starts up. That plan doesn't seem half-baked, if I do say so myself.
 
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Try to look at the bigger picture. If you suffer a little now you'll avoid a worse withdrawal when you finally get off the suboxone.

I've found 2-4 mgs will hold me all day. but when I started I was taking 32mgs a day. IMHO once you get over the mental aspect of taking less, your body won't notice the difference (or at most it will be tolerable, try benadryl or melotonin for sleep). At least that's how it works for me. Remember it's not supposed to make you feel perfect, it's only a transition from using to clean.

I've been off and on bupe for nearly 5 years and it's not fun...at all. Being on for one semester doesn't seem like too long at all. From my experience I wouldn't recommend being on it for more than 6 months. And make sure you taper very slowly, IMO the withdrawals can be worse than expected. make sure you stay at less than one mg for at least 2 weeks. I've found suboxone doctors to be fairly useless when it comes to tapering, so look around BL for a good taper schedule.
 
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Try to look at the bigger picture. If you suffer a little now you'll avoid a worse withdrawal when you finally get off the suboxone.

I've found 2-4 mgs will hold me all day. but when I started I was taking 32mgs a day. IMHO once you get over the mental aspect of taking less, your body won't notice the difference (or at most it will be tolerable, try benadryl or melotonin for sleep). At least that's how it works for me. Remember it's not supposed to make you feel perfect, it's only a transition from using to clean.

I've been off and on bupe for nearly 5 years and it's not fun...at all. Being on for one semester doesn't seem like too long at all. From my experience I wouldn't recommend being on it for more than 6 months. And make sure you taper very slowly, IMO the withdrawals can be worse than expected. make sure you stay at less than one mg for at least 2 weeks. I've found suboxone doctors to be fairly useless when it comes to tapering, so look around BL for a good taper schedule.


As far as suboxone doctors being useless about tapering, I imagine they pale in comparison to the uselessness of methadone 'doctors'. I was on methadone for about seven months and after telling them I wanted to taper down and get off of it, everyone got very awkward. They told me that the only proper way to taper would be 0.5 to 1mg every week. Being at 90mg you can see that this would have kept me chained there forever. Also they never helped me with tapering. I was always the one to bring up lowing my dosage, as that was every single day. It soon, and afterward, became clear that they were running this establishment to make money, or at the very least to keep their jobs. ( I know from experience that methadone is hell to come off of, but also that drawing out your dosage that long is absolutely pointless. You will be 100 percent better to taper yourself quicker, avoiding the additional 90 weeks of addiction, psychological and physical).

When I had mentioned Suboxone, everyone became very strange. It was obvious that they regarded Suboxone as a threat to their livelihood. And these were generally good people, people that I trusted. They simply were putting the existence of their jobs over my health, which I have a hard time forgiving them for that.

I think the most awkward part was when I had detoxed and gone onto Suboxone. I went back to the clinic and settle my balance and say goodbye to the people who worked there. One lady especially was highly critical of me, saying that I had moved the taper down too fast (by requesting, at most, 5mg each week). It was very disheartening and enlightening to see them in the face of my rehab from methadone. They certainly had no concern for what was best for me. I honestly believe that their perfect scenario would have been for me to remain a member of their methadone clinic for years, regardless of how negatively this would affect me during my young adult development.

I guess my point is that you should really be careful about your 'maintenance' staff. Sadly there are a good many of them who are nothing but glorified drug dealers willing to keep you paying no matter what. Looking back it seems so clear. I'm sure they are still over there doing the same thing to many people.

Honestly if you can't tell by now I am not a fan of Methadone Maintenance.

Looking back it seems certain that none of the clinic workers cared anything about me personally. They cared about their job and their paycheck. I would bet they philosophically thought of me as a degenerate piece of living. An automation of degeneracy who would always be the way that I was, and that they might as well make a good paycheck while I was at it.



Anyway, I am one almost two years clean from MMT and I will talk loudly against it to anyone who will listen. If anyone has any more questions with regards to that, please message me, and stay away from MMT as far as you can. It will leave you blind, bloodless, chained and ruined, without emotion or strength or personality. It will talk you down the to the dead end of opiate usage, and you will be left to crawl your way back, with aching and bloody nails trying to stab into the ground.

Honestly, stay away from 'maintenance'. Maintenance is just an excuse. If you can't keep yourself away from using without maintenance then don't let me stop you from helping yourself. But you should know, from someone who has been down that road, the whole way down, that you are making life much harder for yourself. Maintenance might stabilize your opiate using, but it will lock in your body and soul deeply, deeper than heroin or pills every could. And to know that coming clean is the best thing that that methadone will make that ten hundred percent more difficult for you.


Everyone please stay away from methadone and PM if you need to talk. That's all.


Edit: There are certainly those who have been helped by MMT, and those to whom right now it could save their life. But there are also a huge number of people who feign this (to themselves most specifically), and get on MMT just to have a stable means of getting high. I know this from both people on this site and more importantly the people I met in the clinic while I was 'using' methadone. Most of the people there are still trying to get high, and I would bet that many of the people that I met there are still there today (two years later), trying to get high with less and less, and eventually no, success.
 
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I don't know I use to have a lot of bad stuff to say about sub but when I got low enough on it and jumped off I didn't really get any actual opiate wds. I honestly felt good for a week after stopping and it seems like I went directly into paws (at which point I oddly started getting minor hotflashes lol).

I don't think the problem with sub is being on too long, I think the problem is getting low enough where its "safe" to jump. I know I tried jumping at .7mg and it was a bitch so I went back to pods for about 2 weeks. After that I ran out of pods and went back to subs for 3 weeks and had managed to taper down to .10mg plugged (which is prob like .35mg oral or something). I was expecting nasty wds because I got them jumping off as low as 6gms of pods, and consider .10mg plugged sub to be MUCH STRONGER than 6 measily gms of pods. But when I stopped there was nothing. Just a week of ok time then paws, which has been going on for 3+ weeks now.

But I think if you taper low enough, and STAY LOW for at least 3-4 weeks (low being like .25mg roughly) you really shouldn't feel much at all stopping. But obviously wds are the most relative thing in the world. I DO know though that I get wds from pods terribly, but for w/e reason sub was almost a joke.
Its just the paws now that are making me hate my life =]
 
Wtf?

As far as suboxone doctors being useless about tapering, I imagine they pale in comparison to the uselessness of methadone 'doctors'. I was on methadone for about seven months and after telling them I wanted to taper down and get off of it, everyone got very awkward. They told me that the only proper way to taper would be 0.5 to 1mg every week. Being at 90mg you can see that this would have kept me chained there forever. Also they never helped me with tapering. I was always the one to bring up lowing my dosage, as that was every single day. It soon, and afterward, became clear that they were running this establishment to make money, or at the very least to keep their jobs. ( I know from experience that methadone is hell to come off of, but also that drawing out your dosage that long is absolutely pointless. You will be 100 percent better to taper yourself quicker, avoiding the additional 90 weeks of addiction, psychological and physical).

When I had mentioned Suboxone, everyone became very strange. It was obvious that they regarded Suboxone as a threat to their livelihood. And these were generally good people, people that I trusted. They simply were putting the existence of their jobs over my health, which I have a hard time forgiving them for that.

I think the most awkward part was when I had detoxed and gone onto Suboxone. I went back to the clinic and settle my balance and say goodbye to the people who worked there. One lady especially was highly critical of me, saying that I had moved the taper down too fast (by requesting, at most, 5mg each week). It was very disheartening and enlightening to see them in the face of my rehab from methadone. They certainly had no concern for what was best for me. I honestly believe that their perfect scenario would have been for me to remain a member of their methadone clinic for years, regardless of how negatively this would affect me during my young adult development.

I guess my point is that you should really be careful about your 'maintenance' staff. Sadly there are a good many of them who are nothing but glorified drug dealers willing to keep you paying no matter what. Looking back it seems so clear. I'm sure they are still over there doing the same thing to many people.

Honestly if you can't tell by now I am not a fan of Methadone Maintenance.

Looking back it seems certain that none of the clinic workers cared anything about me personally. They cared about their job and their paycheck. I would bet they philosophically thought of me as a degenerate piece of living. An automation of degeneracy who would always be the way that I was, and that they might as well make a good paycheck while I was at it.



Anyway, I am one almost two years clean from MMT and I will talk loudly against it to anyone who will listen. If anyone has any more questions with regards to that, please message me, and stay away from MMT as far as you can. It will leave you blind, bloodless, chained and ruined, without emotion or strength or personality. It will talk you down the to the dead end of opiate usage, and you will be left to crawl your way back, with aching and bloody nails trying to stab into the ground.

Honestly, stay away from 'maintenance'. Maintenance is just an excuse. If you can't keep yourself away from using without maintenance then don't let me stop you from helping yourself. But you should know, from someone who has been down that road, the whole way down, that you are making life much harder for yourself. Maintenance might stabilize your opiate using, but it will lock in your body and soul deeply, deeper than heroin or pills every could. And to know that coming clean is the best thing that that methadone will make that ten hundred percent more difficult for you.


Everyone please stay away from methadone and PM if you need to talk. That's all.


Edit: There are certainly those who have been helped by MMT, and those to whom right now it could save their life. But there are also a huge number of people who feign this (to themselves most specifically), and get on MMT just to have a stable means of getting high. I know this from both people on this site and more importantly the people I met in the clinic while I was 'using' methadone. Most of the people there are still trying to get high, and I would bet that many of the people that I met there are still there today (two years later), trying to get high with less and less, and eventually no, success.

I feel like this is one of the most fucked up posts I've ever read. 8o I'm literally in shock right now. I'd read a bunch of people on here say methadone was a bitch to come off and all that but wow, I'd never even given so much as a thought to the idea of methadone clinics surreptitiously planning to keep you on the shit forever so they could make a buck off you. :| I'm studying to be a social worker right and when I learned about MMT I was all for it. I'm an opiate addict myself and honestly would never consider it, it's just not for me my addiction got/is pretty nasty in my opinion but not THAT bad, but for the hardcore heroin addicts doing 10 bags a day or some shit that literally CAN'T go without an opiate along with extensive cognitive-behavioral therapy it seemed great. I'm seriously still in shock like five minutes I after I read your post.

For those on methadone maintenance, does this sound familiar? I'm really, really hoping you just have a greedy clinic run by some shady motherfuckers and that they're all not like that. Ugh, I'm disgusted.

Really glad you shared this, it gave me a new viewpoint into MMT that contrast the run of the mill pros and cons of the program you would read in textbooks or hear otherwise. Fascinating.
 
please dont up your doser too high..especially if not needed...lots of people do this and they fuck themselves in the end cuz its harder to get off of.

Suboxone,for me at least,is a very easy drug to maintain/handle.
I went from a whole 8mlg pill a day[a year ago when i got scripts] to doing anywhere from 1-3mlgs whenever I feel like it.
Some days I wake up and I say Fuck it i wanna lower my tolerance so i wont do any for the next 1-3 days[I dont get WD's]

I could get a script again if i wanted to but I dont because I rathewr not have large supplies.

I even catch a nice buzz now[sometimes even nod off of 1-2mlgs] which IK sounds counter productive but for me its not,trust me.
Much better than doing heroin..OR METHADONE[For me!!!]] for that matter.

Some day I wont feel a need to do any ndrug.
I look forward to that day.

P.S.I Snort my Sub 75% of the time.
 
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