The 6-APB thread

[annaminx]

You suspect you had a stroke last night, yet have selflessly dropped in to let us know before seeking proper medical attention?

That's very noble of you... 8)

erm, it was a month ago, thanks. i did seek medical attention and was in hospital for some time and am waiting in results from a CAT scan i get tomorrow am.

.....im not new to the RC scene, i do my research and im very qualified on the subject, however i still fell victim to a scam. you cant blame people for being scamed, blame the C%^t that put me in hospital!!!!!! the current trend is really grating me, you cant trust chemical suppliers to sell actual chemicals they advertise, you cant trust the communitys that for so long have been a godsend for us like bluelight because you get flamed for commenting on things, or people suspect eachother of being vendors and to be honest the main force behind the 6-apb hype is bluelight, one of the big 5 actually directs you to the "6-apb thread" as a resource

on a lighter note, re: the brand name of this chemical, locally the name "Bent furby" seems to be taking off i like that.

be safe all

minx x

 

[scab]

erm, it was a month ago, thanks. i did seek medical attention and was in hospital for some time and am waiting in results from a CAT scan i get tomorrow am.

.....im not new to the RC scene, i do my research and im very qualified on the subject, however i still fell victim to a scam. you cant blame people for being scamed, blame the C%^t that put me in hospital!!!!!! the current trend is really grating me, you cant trust chemical suppliers to sell actual chemicals they advertise, you cant trust the communitys that for so long have been a godsend for us like bluelight because you get flamed for commenting on things, or people suspect eachother of being vendors and to be honest the main force behind the 6-apb hype is bluelight, one of the big 5 actually directs you to the "6-apb thread" as a resource

on a lighter note, re: the brand name of this chemical, locally the name "Bent furby" seems to be taking off i like that.

be safe all

minx x

I must be an absolute cunt too for thinking responsibility for what you put into your body is yours alone.

 

[RClabRat]

I must be an absolute cunt too for thinking responsibility for what you put into your body is yours alone.

That's only true when you know exactly what you're putting into your body. I don't see how you can think that vendors are completely blameless if what they send you is not what they tell you it is.

Or maybe you think we're just too lazy to use the household mass spectrometer under the sink?

If I sold cyanide as ecstacy on the street, wouldn't be my fault if people died from cyanide poisoning after taking it, right? Shouldda checked them with their family lab equipment first, right?

It's THAT attitude that vendors are using to justify to themselves that dumping whatever they need to sell in a baggie, labelling it 6-APB , and sending it off still leaves them with 0 liability.


If the UK government focused on creating laws that held the vendors completely responsible for any deaths or damage caused as a result of them mis-selling a chemical there would be less shady vendors, only pure products would be avaliable, and should anyone die then they only have themselves to blame.

 

[seejay33]

Thanx Seejay for the previous response. I too miss the good ol' Amphet days. I am wondering what the Psycadelic effects of this Rc is? I never once had any psycadelia off of an E, just empathy and euphoria, which would be my ideal outcome this evening, when i take my first trip into a 6-Apb haze.

I recieved 8 little capsules filled between 1/2 and 1/3 with a white, heavy fine powder, claiming to be 'Benzo Fury' this morning and am eager to try one. I recently experimented with 5-Meo-Dalt and although that's very, very good i was not ready for the weakness, visuals and lack of physical stimulation it gave me. I was hoping someone can give me a little more info on the possible physical effects?

Much appreciated BL!

No capsules supposedly containing apb have ever been confirmed...

Stay safe

Seejay

 

[scab]

That's only true when you know exactly what you're putting into your body. I don't see how you can think that vendors are completely blameless if what they send you is not what they tell you it is.

It's not irresponsible to put things into your body when you don't know exactly what is in it? Listen to yourself.

If you can't trust where it comes from 110%, don't ingest it. It's really simple.

If you don't, and still do, the blame really is mostly your own.

It's like an addict blaming his dealer.

 

[seejay33]

Come on scab that's a little hypocritical!

I'm sure in the past you've bought somethin either of a street dealer or in a club off a random knowing quite well u don't really know what it was !
All guilty at some point I'm sure....

Give him a break mate he prob feels bad enough....

Seejay

 

[DIDI]

@ scab!! Are you forgetting where you are.??? :lol: We don't actually have any way of knowing 110% about any of the things that are discussed here. I think maybe the blame should be shared.

 

[scab]

Come on scab that's a little hypocritical!

I'm sure in the past you've bought somethin either of a street dealer or in a club off a random knowing quite well u don't really know what it was !
All guilty at some point I'm sure....

Give him a break mate he prob feels bad enough....

Seejay

I have done. Plenty. Yet I knew what I was doing, the risk involved, and I took responsibility for it.

I'm really not trying to make anyone feel bad, but it's people not taking responsibility for their actions that require nannying by the state. They're the ones making the impending catch-all legislation a requirement.

 

[scab]

@ scab!! Are you forgetting where you are.??? :lol: We don't actually have any way of knowing 110% about any of the things that are discussed here. I think maybe the blame should be shared.

Exactly. So don't do it.

If you do, don't blame someone else.

 

[ashtray girl]

They're the ones making the impending catch-all legislation a requirement.

No, that is blaming the victim.

The ones making it a requirement are the vendors selling any old shit.

 

[scab]

No, that is blaming the victim.

The ones making it a requirement are the vendors selling any old shit.

That's nonsense.

You're essentially saying someone else should be taking responsibility for your life.

 

[ashtray girl]

I'm saying someone else should take responsibility for what they sell.

If I goto Asda and buy a packet of 500mg paracetamol and it actually contains 500mcg of LSD, is that my fault? Of course not, and it is ridiculous to try to argue otherwise.

 

[seejay33]

So do u not think if it was regulated we'd be all safer ?

At the end of the day they provide a service and it should be up to scratch

Not sure where I see your points scab

Seejay

That's nonsense.

You're essentially saying someone else should be taking responsibility for your life.

 

[seejay33]

Bang on can't u see this scab ?

Seejay

I'm saying someone else should take responsibility for what they sell.

If I goto Asda and buy a packet of 500mg paracetamol and it actually contains 500mcg of LSD, is that my fault? Of course not, and it is ridiculous to try to argue otherwise.

 

[scab]

I'm saying someone else should take responsibility for what they sell.

If I goto Asda and buy a packet of 500mg paracetamol and it actually contains 500mcg of LSD, is that my fault? Of course not, and it is ridiculous to try to argue otherwise.

I think it's a mistake to try compare regulated pharmaceuticals to grey market RCs. The comparison to illegal street drugs is more apt, at which point your comparison falls apart. And let's not lose sight of the point here: a person blindly overdosing an unknown, unresearched chemical.

There is some responsibility on the vendor's part, I agree, but where RCs, or any unregulated, ingested chemical is concerned, you're ultimately culpable for the decision.

Edit:

So do u not think if it was regulated we'd be all safer ?

At the end of the day they provide a service and it should be up to scratch

Not sure where I see your points scab

Seejay

It will be regulated: by blanket bans.

It's an offshoot of the point I'm trying to make; that people passing the responsibility-buck will only hasten the move toward catch-all laws.

I'm going to stop this now as we're way off-topic. It's obviously not a clear-cut thing, and there are valid arguments for both sides.

 

[ashtray girl]

I think it's a mistake to try compare regulated pharmaceuticals to grey market RCs.

Not really. Capitalists trying to make money. Whether on the streets, behind a pharmacy desk or on the internet.

If you knowingly sell something that isn't as described then it is your responsibility.

Simple as, no excuses. "He should've known it wasn't what I said it was, after-all I'm a grey-market RC vendor" wouldn't wash with a court and wouldn't wash with any right-minded person.

 

[Xorkoth]

As I try to understand it, he's trying to make the point that responsibility lies on both us and the vendors. Although I'd say more like 50/50. If you're participating in a scene known to be dodgy and full of bullshit, then it really is your responsiblity to make a real effort to try to verify what it is you're taking, and it's DEFINITELY your responsibility to research a reasonable dose (which no one could come to that conclusion about at 650mg for this drug with an honest research attempt). Just as it is the vendor's responsibility to accurately represent what it is they're selling. But we can't JUST go blaming the vendors, even though I think the "business" model they're following is shameful and is going to take down the entire scene. It's still the people who are making them successful. If we all refused to purchase anything from them, they'd shut down and more scrupulous vendors would be the ones to survive.

 

[ashtray girl]

Without a doubt it is your responsibility as a user to research an effective and safe dose. Unfortunately the current legislation hinders this. If the government cared about true harm reduction then they would allow appropriate doses to be given by vendors. As it is they have to sell as "plant food" or similar to get around the medicines act.

None of that negates a vendors responsibility (and requirement under law, plant food or not) to sell what they advertise.

 

[Xorkoth]

Agreed. That's the thing. None of this negates any one person's responsibility. Perceived negation of responsibility is how we got into this mess and if you think about it is how society gets into most messes. We all have a responsibility to ourselves and our fellow humans and it's just plain wrong to look for others to pass that responsibility off on. The world will never change if we don't work on changing it, and you can only control yourself ultimately. So all you can do is live the way you think is right, free of corrupting influences.

 

[nopipesdfw]

Agreed. That's the thing. None of this negates any one person's responsibility. Perceived negation of responsibility is how we got into this mess and if you think about it is how society gets into most messes. We all have a responsibility to ourselves and our fellow humans and it's just plain wrong to look for others to pass that responsibility off on. The world will never change if we don't work on changing it, and you can only control yourself ultimately. So all you can do is live the way you think is right, free of corrupting influences.

The Constitution was put here by GOD for a reason, you fucking hippie!

None of that negates a vendors responsibility (and requirement under law, plant food or not) to sell what they advertise.

This "scene" could help the world through access to mind manifestation in reasonably safe ways, or some guy can sell ten million pounds of crack on the internet and we can all buy it without knowing what it really is.

This part is the public's call, though.