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Opioids Defeating the new OC time release

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well guys swim has tried everything doing a full lab grade A/B extraction using xylene lye and HCL and enough came back to be happy ( 70% ) so I will have to agree with most of what people have said. All one can do is eat them like normal sad but this is the end for now be happy that the 30s are still around (blues) good luck to all

The A/B extraction did yeild but way to much damn work
 
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what in the hell is a/b extraction, and where do you get xylene lye and hcl.. damn you chemists
 
In the German speaking countries of Europe (Germany, Austria) - this is where I live - chemicals like HCL (hydrochloric acid) can easily be obtained. The same goes for kerosene ("petroleum") and some other non-polar solvents (google what "non-polar" and "polar" means... that's common knowledge, but yes, some don't know, so google it). Several alcohols can be bought in any pharmacy, such as isopropanol, ethanol, methanol...

And a/b extraction is an Acid/Base extraction. I'll give you an example:

Cocaine extraction from coca leaves:
Coca leaves are put into a non-polar solvent, like kerosene (petroleum in German and some other languages). The cocaine-base gets into solution - it's extracted from the leaves. Usually, natriumcarbonate (soda) is added to this to prevent salting processes, but don't mind this, you don't have to know what this does, I just added this because it's done - not important for our a/b extr. explanatory. So the cocaine base is solved in the kerosene.
How do we get it out of the kerosene?
We make it non-polar-solvent-INsoluable. That means, we convert it to a water-soluable salt of cocaine. For example, cocaine-sulphate, or cocaine-hydrochloride. So we pour a 5% sulphuric acid solution (with water) into the kerosene, stir well, let separate, suck out the acidic water layer that forms on the bottom and that contains the cocaine-sulphate. Now we have it in the water, in a much lower volume of liquid (for example, for 20 litres of kerosene, there isn't more than 0,5 litres of sulphuric acid 5% used,).
How do we get the cocaine-sulphate out of the liquid?
We basify it. Adding ammonia causes the cocaine-sulphate to break up into cocaine-base (freebase, the substance we extracted from the coca leaves), which is water-unsoluable and precipitates out of the water. It's filtered out with a coffee filter (for example). It's recommended to wash it with some water.

A/b extraction means that you use different solvents and solubilities of different substances to extract a certain substance. In my example, we wanted to seperate the cocaine-base from the liquid (kerosene) that we extracted the cocaine with from the leaves. So we converted it to a water-soluable (that means: non-polar-solvent-UNsoluable) cocaine-salt, then converted it back to a non-water-soluable cocaine-base (freebase) that can be smoked or cooked up with an acid in water in order to be shot (cooking up with an acid converts the freebase back to a salt of cocaine, for example cocaine-citrate or cocaine-ascorbate, cocaine-sulphate or cocaine-hydrochloride; depends on what salt you use).

I'm no chemist, and I hope that everything is true that I wrote. :)
 
i wonder if you crushed the pill somehow and put it in a cup full of alcohol and soda or something like that. if not than hell i have no idea what to tell all you normal oc users out there. unless you have experience in being a chemist its going to be hard to beat these suckers =\ i use to love my oc's but now i've moved onto heroin. Which is prolly whats going to happen to alot of users who cant get the high they want anymore. Sorry fellas, i wish i had the miracle cure for this problem, but unfortunatly i dont =[[[[
 
You're local hardware store is where you get the solvents, lye to pH up and HCL to pH back down, but don't do an A/B extraction or attempt one unless you know what the fuck you're doing. And I wouldn't do one anyway; the cure for this isn't going to be something like that.
 
I wouldn't use hardware store quality chemicals for an A/B extraction... You can get high purity stuff designed for lab work cheap online and without issue, since I don't think any of the applicable acids, bases, or solvents are List 1 or 2.
 
I was able to sand it down to a fine powder--- about 30% thicker than my usual hose clamp powder.

Are you guys telling me if I parachute that powder it is gonna have the same time release that a full OP has?? How is that possible? Does it clump together in yoru stomach or something? Or does every molecule of this stuff just absorb over 12 hours... I really dont see how powdering it doesnt defeat the time release when it is finely powdered.

I ate it and felt it but I was already super high so I couldn't analyze the 40mg I ate too much...

What if you plug the powder, or plug half eat half? Thoughts?
 
This sucks and it takes a lil while but it DOES WORK for me.

Stick the pill in your mouth and run your tongue all around it to help dissolve the casing. Get a washrag or some kind of cloth and rub the pill on it. The inner casing is really sticky and if you don't get it all off and snort some of it, youll be sneezing sticky goo for a day or so. The actual pill on the inside is white and small which then can be ingested orally or crushed up and snorted.
 
maybe the time release mechanism can be broken down with an acid. I mean, isn't your stomach breaking down these pills with stomach bile? So what if you acidified/basified a solution of finely ground pills and a bit of water and heated it very lightly for a bit?

Someone should try and cook it in a spoon with lemon juice or vitamin c and see if that breaks it down. if it needs to be basified and not acidified than you could use baking soda to bring the ph down instead of lemon juice.
 
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maybe the time release mechanism can be broken down with an acid. I mean, isn't your stomach breaking down these pills with stomach bile? So what if you acidified/basified a solution of finely ground pills and a bit of water and heated it very lightly for a bit?

Someone should try and cook it in a spoon with lemon juice or vitamin c and see if that breaks it down. if it needs to be basified and not acidified than you could use baking soda to bring the ph down instead of lemon juice.
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I don't believe that would be acidic enough.
 
Yeah, the price gouging thing, and the fact I've lost all interest in oxy makes this not much of a care for me; however, I'm interested to see how this pans out.
 
awwww i was so pissed today!! as i took a 45min drive with a smile from ear to ear cause ive been chipping on sub for the past week cause i got a call a week ago this dude would have OC 40s ... i have been dying to load up a needle with 120mgs of oxy and blast off ..then i was handed these.. the look on my face must of been like a little kid finding out his dog died... i ended up buying loratab 10s and prob killed my liver today i was so mad i was not going to drive another 45min to do a CWE so i ate so much Tylenol to not even feel anything ... a very sad day :(
 
Man this thread is 10 fucking pages long and there is barely any talk in regards to actually " defeating the new OC time release"

so has anyone used these on a hose clamp, were you still able to hose clamp it then snort it and have it gel up in the nostrils like opana ER? cuz if so then thats not too bad, eh?
 
I used a a sand block which is basically like a brick made of sand paper. I gave my OP 80 and good rogering against it and powdered it finely... almost as fine as my normal hose clamp OC 80s.

My Hose Clamp wasnt rough enough to do any damage to the OP 80... you need something ruffer.

I had to split it with my friend and I thought eating it would be the best method. Unfortuntaely, I was very high when I did it off other thigns so I couldn't detect it in full. My perception was that by parachuting 40mg of OP, it was stronger than if I had eaten it whole, but not as strong as if it was 40mg of OC. It did hold a portion of its time release despite being pulverised into a powder which is mind boggling to me.

I am wondering if when it touches the stomach, the powder all gobs together or something and unifies. If thats the case, maybe eating little bits over the course of an hour or two? Or eating some and plugging some?
 
I think that Purdue Pharma surely patented the new formulation!!So until then new patent runs out in 7 or 10 years or whenever meds patents run out, the generic versions of OC's will still have the same formulation as the old name brand OC's did.I have had 3 different kinds of generic OC's called oxycodone Extended Release tablets and such, and one pills is exactly like the original OC's in shape and size and has abc on one side and the number of the dose like 40 on the other side,others are larger thicker round pills with more binder,and the 3rd is an oval ,thick pill, which has a lotta binders also..but they all can still be broken down,the first one easyily like the original OC's ,the other take more time and effort but still can be broken down..anyway the generics are much cheaper in the pharmacy and have been the only type of OC I have seen around in the past 5 or so years.No one here still bought the name brand OC's anyway since they allow generics to be used for a drug unless specificly written on the script for it to be filled "Brand Name Only"..
 
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