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Elemicin? Anyone try it?

Visionary_Kpsycho

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Yeah, I'm interested in this, too. I asked in the oil report thread in TR but didn't get any responses. A cheap legal psychedelic that's in any way similar to mescaline sounds to good to be true.
 
Have you read the reports online of pure Elemicin? Don’t always read everything on Wikipedia, they do not provide real experiences. In china it is classified as a hallucinogen. We need some guinea pigs on here to try it :D
 
I would be wary about buying it, it's about as watched as safrole.
 
That’s what I thought, but then I read the experiences, like from people on DMT-nexus, and other forums and all of them are reporting a definite non placebo effect. We need some experimenters on here.
 
I've never tried Elemicin...

but I have tried Elemi oil... ~12x or so... up to ~30 drops

it is usually subtle but lovely, and i'm grateful to have it in my medicine cabinet.

despite its subtlety, it has taken me to somewhere between +1.5 & +2.

the first time i had a vision of my higher self as an elf dressed in blue. a few days a later, a friend tried it, with no knowledge of my experience, and had a vision of his higher self as an elf dressed in green. that was neat :)

it seems a lot of people are inclined to dismiss it. i don't understand why...

also: it is not like nutmeg.
 
nuke said:
I would be wary about buying it, it's about as watched as safrole.
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Are you sure about this? I found a place that has a great price on the oil - I don't really think they would have it at all if it was being watched like that. It may be a precursor but the drugs it is a precursor to have ridiculously high doses and are also expensive to synth on top of it so I highly doubt it is watched like safrole.
 
I do want to point out that while there are lots of dmt nexus users who report having good experiences with the elemi oil, I want to make it clear that we over at the nexus are more into "mystical experiences" rather than "drug experiences" what I mean is that over at the nexus we are much more sensitive to psychedelic effects at subtle levels than the average "recreational drug user"

Just my own opinion.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Are you sure about this? I found a place that has a great price on the oil - I don't really think they would have it at all if it was being watched like that. It may be a precursor but the drugs it is a precursor to have ridiculously high doses and are also expensive to synth on top of it so I highly doubt it is watched like safrole.
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You can buy sassafras oil online is plenty of places as well, and glassware off of online auction sites. That doesn't mean the DEA won't stop by/e-mail the places selling these and request records, and few places will object to aiding law enforcement; a couple of years ago someone bought safrole and glassware off of eBay and the DEA raided his residence solely based upon those purchases and monitoring. Basically elemicin is only a few steps away from mescaline and TMA, both schedule I drugs in the USA.
 
I suppose it is better to be safe than sorry but I can't imagine them wasting their time raiding someone who buys a small bottle of oil - I could definitely see large quantities raising the eyebrows but not a small bottle.

Also, mescaline and TMA are nowhere near as common drugs as 'ecstasy' so I could see why the DEA would do a raid over the smallest amount of sass oil.
 
I don't really see a value judgement in there, so it might be your own projection. Anyway it's hardly on topic.

Sounds interesting, I never heard about it - or only came about the name once or twice accidentally.
 
Elemi oil is available on the highstreet of the UK, so I don't think it is that watched over here.

As it is an essential oil it isn't great for the body, which is probably why it isn't often used.
 
Shmellsh Goot

Er, the essential oil is easily available ebay. I use it in my oil vapouriser at home for its pleasant aroma. I don't think I'll be adding it to my cuppa though. While the fragrance is delicious I suspect the taste would be pretty terrible. Besides, I would be very very catious considering the lack of data and experiences. Elemicin a nice looking molecule though.
As always these are just my armchair musings. Your mileage may vary. . .
Peace - Pipp
 
atara said:
Elemicin is a precursor to TMA ("mescalamphetamine") and a precursor to mescaline itself. It is a constituent of nutmeg oil.

It isn't a psychedelic, though. If you took it, it'd probably be kinda like nutmeg, not mescaline.
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The mechanism for psychoactivity was once believed to involve metabolism of the allylbenzene (elemicin) to an amphetamine (TMA). Oswald and coworkers have determined the structures of basic ninhydrin-positive [urine] metabolites of safrole, myristicin, elemicin, and eugenol to be tertiary aminopropiophenones not amphetamines.
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A more simplified method of identification of the tertiary aminopropiophenones formed from various allylbenzene derivatives is reported. By use of combined gas—liquid chromatography and chemical ionization mass spectrometry, one is able to detect and verify the chemical structure of the tertiary aminopropiophenones of elemicin on nanogram quantities in the crude basic urine fraction. By use of this analytical method, it is concluded that upon oral administration of purified elimicin the rat excretes in uriner the 3-N,N-dimethylamino-, the 3-piperidyl-, and the 3-pyrrolidinyl-1-(3′,4′.5′-trimethoxyphenyl)-propan-1-ones. These tertiary aminopropiophenones of elemicin seem to decompose more easily than those reported for safrole and myristicin.
— https://doi.org/10.1016/S0021-9673(01)80201-6
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• 3-(1-piperidinyl)-1-(3,4,5-trimethoxyphenyl)propan-1-one
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

1-Propanone, 3-(1-piperidinyl)-1-(3,4,5-trimethoxyphenyl)-

1-Propanone, 3-(1-piperidinyl)-1-(3,4,5-trimethoxyphenyl)- | C17H25NO4 | CID 411263 - structure, chemical names, physical and chemical properties, classification, patents, literature, biological activities, safety/hazards/toxicity information, supplier lists, and more.
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

• 3-(dimethylamino)-1-(3,4,5-trimethoxyphenyl)propan-1-one
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

3-(Dimethylamino)-1-(3,4,5-trimethoxyphenyl)propan-1-one

3-(Dimethylamino)-1-(3,4,5-trimethoxyphenyl)propan-1-one | C14H21NO4 | CID 412306 - structure, chemical names, physical and chemical properties, classification, patents, literature, biological activities, safety/hazards/toxicity information, supplier lists, and more.
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I didn't find the pyrrolidine version but something very close:
• 1-(3,4,5-trimethoxyphenyl)-3-(2,5-dihydro-1-pyrrolyl)propenone
• Roletamide
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Roletamida

Roletamida | C16H19NO4 | CID 24909 - structure, chemical names, physical and chemical properties, classification, patents, literature, biological activities, safety/hazards/toxicity information, supplier lists, and more.
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
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