addictive hallucinogens(other than mdma,etc)

[StaySedated]

first, i didn't start this thread to include mdma and similar drugs because thats what everybody would say and i know they can be.

anyway, is there any hallucinogens(applies all-psychedelics, disassociatives, and even deleriants) that are addictive?

i know none would have physical addiction, but can any cause psychological addicion in your opinion(or experience)?

for me i'd say ketamine is the most, then dxm because it has similar effects and is really easy to get.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

i have no experience with it, but like you mentioned, i've herd ketamine is one of the few hallucinogens that is significantly mentally addictive.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

i have no experience with it, but like you mentioned, i've herd ketamine is one of the few hallucinogens that is significantly mentally addictive.

PCP and DXM are also addictive.

 

[stirfry]

I would say that the dissociatives (i.e. NMDA antagonists) have the most risk for addictive use, that is if you consider them hallucinogenic/psychedelic. Unlike traditional hallucinogens, these drugs can be used on consecutive days, and still be affective. Also, the headspace is generally less threatening and more predictable than traditional psychedelics. The disconnection from emotional response can be all alluring, and these drugs can even produce a degree of euphoria in some people. There are also many examples available on the web involving addictive use of DXM, Ketamine and PCP.

Addiction to MDMA and other empathogenic stimulants is somewhat self limiting IME. While the extreme euphoria frequently experienced during MDMA trips can make people want to chase the high, the onset and degree of tolerance makes overly frequent use not very effective. Dosing these substances two days in a row leads to greatly diminished effects the second day, and euphoria is generally not present even while stimulant side effects are (and it takes far higher amounts the second day to achieve even that, taking the same dose again will be much weaker). The body needs time to replenish neurotransmitters before proper effects return, I would say at least a week is needed between rolls to feel a desirable high (even weekly dosing is too much IMO, and tolerance will be present).

I would say there is little chance of addiction with the traditional psyches (and delerients i guess), they're just not that kind of drug. I think escapism is a big part of addiction, and psychedelic trips are like the opposite of escapism, they make you examine yourself on a very deep level. Taking a psychedelic while in the addictive mindset would likely be very unpleasant.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

I would say that the dissociatives (i.e. NMDA antagonists) have the most risk for addictive use, that is if you consider them hallucinogenic/psychedelic. Unlike traditional hallucinogens, these drugs can be used on consecutive days, and still be affective. Also, the headspace is generally less threatening and more predictable than traditional psychedelics. The disconnection from emotional response can be all alluring, and these drugs can even produce a degree of euphoria in some people. There are also many examples available on the web involving addictive use of DXM, Ketamine and PCP.

Addiction to MDMA and other empathogenic stimulants is somewhat self limiting IME. While the extreme euphoria frequently experienced during MDMA trips can make people want to chase the high, the onset and degree of tolerance makes overly frequent use not very effective. Dosing these substances two days in a row leads to greatly diminished effects the second day, and euphoria is generally not present even while stimulant side effects are (and it takes far higher amounts the second day to achieve even that, taking the same dose again will be much weaker). The body needs time to replenish neurotransmitters before proper effects return, I would say at least a week is needed between rolls to feel a desirable high (even weekly dosing is too much IMO, and tolerance will be present).

I would say there is little chance of addiction with the traditional psyches (and delerients i guess), they're just not that kind of drug. I think escapism is a big part of addiction, and psychedelic trips are like the opposite of escapism, they make you examine yourself on a very deep level. Taking a psychedelic while in the addictive mindset would likely be very unpleasant.

Don't you mean just typical psychedelics.

Because dissociatives are the very best drugs to be used by escapist. Since they disconnect sensory and emotion, they can be used to ward depression, anxiety, as well as anger in the proper doses. They all have one and one thing in common, once you have used one, you clearly have an idea of what all NMDA antagonist feel like plus or minus here and there on body load and mood changes.

 

[stirfry]

^yes, that was in reference to "typical" pschedelics, which are distinctly different from dissociatives and empathogens.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Exactly, just trying to understand what you said in more detail... Thanks.

 

[StaySedated]

PCP and DXM are also addictive.

dxm can be very addictive, pcp not so much. unlike dxm and ketamine, pcp tends to be more of a mindfuck at lower to moderate doses(althought all disassocatives are pretty much the same at high doses). pcp is fun, but like other strong hallucinogens like lsd, mescaline, 2c-i, etc. its effects are too powerful for it to be used regularly with addictive reinforcement.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

dxm can be very addictive, PCP not so much. unlike dxm and ketamine, pcp tends to be more of a mindfuck at lower to moderate doses(althought all disassocatives are pretty much the same at high doses). PCP is fun, but like other strong hallucinogens like LSD, mescaline, 2c-i, etc. its effects are too powerful for it to be used regularly with addictive reinforcement.

I know people who are addicted to PCP. They are zombies of their old selves.
It's really the most long lasting mindfuck you ever want to experience. People actually fiend for this shit so badly it makes me not want to smoke anymore.

 

[StaySedated]

I know people who are addicted to PCP. They are zombies of their old selves.
It's really the most long lasting mindfuck you ever want to experience. People actually fiend for this shit so badly it makes me not want to smoke anymore.

wow, i can't imagine getting wet EVERY DAY. i'd prob end up a dust zombie fiend too ...