MDMA - Dosage

[No Consequence]

One dose to last the night?
well 200mgs would be around the equivalent of double dropping on two realllyy good pokeballs. possibly a tiny bit more.
I've double dropped on poke's many times. But i also have a pretty high tolerance.

 

[rollinboobs]

i watched a scientific video on mdma before and they said something like this.

45-80mg to feel the roll
and for its full effects 150-200mgs

so basically your not going to get the full effects of a roll unless you eat 150-200mgs of it.

now if you have pills that are 50mg each. your talkin 4 pills. so a lot of times people dont actually take as much mdma as you think when there taking pills.

 

[RGB]

MDMA doesn't work that way -- it's more like you reach a critical threshold (around the 100-150mg mark for most people, perhaps more depending on your tolerance), then the serotonin cascade takes off and runs for a good 4-6 hours. If you want to prolong it, you can redose with 1/2 to 1/3 of your initial dose about an hour or two in, but beyond that it just starts acting like expensive speed.

 

[deano88]

well i got the pure crystal mdma i have taken mdma plenty times in the past but have always eyeballed my doses but now i'm more carefull and i got my own scales. i'll be taking some this weekend with a friiend whos never taken it before so i'm being a little bit more carefull with the doses.

i'm thinking of going straight in at 200mg as it seems to be the highest to start off from without being to much. thoughts??

 

[No Consequence]

If you're used to a lot of MDMA then that will be no problem.
If not it might be pretty overwhelming. But the overwhelming part might only last like 20-30 min.

 

[Dreamatone]

200mg seems like a good number to achieve what you want (A nice strong roll without being to ridiculous) although without overdosing you can take much more, unadvisable without experience however.

 

[deano88]

thanks for the info, think ima go straight in at 200mg. roll on the weekend

 

[poopstation]

MDMA doesn't work that way -- it's more like you reach a critical threshold (around the 100-150mg mark for most people, perhaps more depending on your tolerance), then the serotonin cascade takes off and runs for a good 4-6 hours. If you want to prolong it, you can redose with 1/2 to 1/3 of your initial dose about an hour or two in, but beyond that it just starts acting like expensive speed.

RGB knows his sh*t, here's your explanation right here ^

 

[RGB]

RGB knows his sh*t, here's your explanation right here ^

I believe I lifted the expression "expensive speed" from you, by the way.

(On second thought, I'm not sure...memory's not what it used to be what with all the ecstasiez...)

 

[poopstation]

I believe I lifted the expression "expensive speed" from you, by the way.

(On second thought, I'm not sure...memory's not what it used to be what with all the ecstasiez...)

perhaps, i don't recall either. same as you, i think all those ecstasiez are blowing holes in my brain lol. Ann Shulgin has a great paper that states the desired "peak times" of mdma' mechanism of serotonin release versus the less-desired dopamine release. i'll find a link and post it but i need to dig through erowid for it

one way to spread out the enjoyable serotonin release of mdma is to increase the alkalinity of your stomach. eating about 2g calcium carbonate (4 regular tums if i remember correctly) about 10 min's before dropping the roll caused the roll to last much longer. i didn't come up with this technique, it's plastered across the internet and decided to give it a go. i found that i needed more mdma than normal to reach where i wanted to be, ie: i had to take 200mg to achieve the same feeling that 150mg would provide. however i found the following to be true for me and my wife taking pure mdma hcl with a stomach full of 2g calcium carbonate (tums):

*it took longer to hit
*when it hit, it didn't hit like a freight train like it normally does it came on slow. it continued a slow onset for about an hour before a definite peak/plateau was noticed
*peaked for 6 hours (2 hours longer than just normal mdma hcl on an empty stomach, by itself)
*the comedown was verrrrrrry long and gentle. there was no sudden drop-off or "oh sh*t" moment like i normally get. it's at that point i feel a strong urge to redose and must fight off the urge, i didn't get that urge this time.
*sleep came very easy, drifted between eyes closed dreamworld and actual sleep at some point, woke up 2 hours later, eye still dilated and rolling. walking to the bathroom was still a bit more difficult than it should be. after 20 min's i was asleep again and slept for 6 hours or so
*woke up after those 6 hours, eyes slightly dilated, feel really good and rolly still. pretty much baseline but i'd say i felt more rolly and not so much an afterglow (by that i mean the feeling was stronger than a typical afterglow and i felt like i was partially still rolling, but sober enough to function somewhat)
*felt way more "wiped out" the day after than normal, we found it hard to leave the bed much that day but it was pleasant

not sure quite what to think of it but the whole experience was almost like time-release in a sense. it was enjoyable but i'd say for anyone wanting to try this to dose a bit higher than normal because of the slow absorption. not sure if i'll repeat it or not but it was interesting. dosing normally provided a stronger rush for sure, but i did like the super slow comedown here and not the harsh drop-off. i still prefer good old mdma hcl on an empty stomach but figured i'd throw this out there.

 

[poopstation]

here's what i was looking for. Click the link for the full article, Ann Shulgin did research in the 1980's and, from my experience, I agree with her findings. There is a "sweet spot" for mdma regarding dosage and a time range when you play on those 5ht receptors more for the desired euphoria/empathy we all want. re-dosing all night long and heroic doses will f**k you up more, sure, but you'll end up giving you more of the less desired negative effects and no longer be in that "sweet spot." if you count up her intial dosage, plus the supplemental dose at 1.5-1.75 hours after the first dose, you'll see the doses are all within the first 2 hours and under 200mg. everybody is different and tolerance will mean you have to dose higher, but for all intents and purposes this article is really spot-on for those without a large tolerance. one thing i've noticed is dosing 350+mg (i don't recommend it) give me strong open eye visuals on mdma, yes mdma not mda. however, while enjoyable, at that dose the negative effects are pretty bad. jaw, eyes, sweaty like a mad man, definitely feeling over-stimulated in comparison to lower doses which are very sedating (this is pure mdma hcl mind you). it's not worth it to overdo it but figured i'd throw that in there. all the more reason to hit that "sweet spot" and not abuse it through compulsive decisions.


http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_info12.shtml

The second method is as follows: the person who is leading the experiment participates in the taking of MDMA along with his clients. No one remains outside the experiment. The amount given initially is 120 mgs., and the supplement offered, at about 1½ to 1¾ hours, is 40 mgs.

It should be noted here that, just as it is generally understood by the intelligent and informed therapist or leader that under no circumstances should any person be persuaded or pressured to take MDMA, so must it be understood that there should never be any urging or persuasion regarding the taking of a supplement. The client's instincts and intuitions regarding his or her own state of body and mind are to be regarded as correct, and must be respected.

A second supplement should NOT be offered. Experiments have shown that a second supplement, approximately one hour after the first, at the same dosage level of 40 mgs. or at a higher level of 50 mgs., produces little if any further prolongation of the psychological effects, but will cause considerable increase in the physical side-effects of jaw-clenching and nystagmus, with a resulting lessening of the desired de-stressing and relaxation effect.

 

[CaPoNe.]

Just do what you are comfortable doing. Unfortunatly 200mg dont do shit for me anymore, i have to drop like 400 to 500 of some bomb Mol to get a good roll goin.

 

[F1n1shed]

Well i don't have much mdma tolerance but I'll tell you now 200mg of mdma at the get go would blow me the fuck away, especially the comeup. Make sure you know what your getting into first as that would be too much of a dose for me to start with.

 

[Venrak]

Whenever I consume MDMA it is in 200mg doses.

2-3 doses a year.

Expect the come-up to be intense and the possibility of becoming sick.

Other than that, it's all clear.

 

[matt2012]

I don't know if anyone said this yet but....

200mg might be OK for you to take since you seem to be experienced with MDMA but I wouldn't give that much to your friend who you are intorducing to E. 200mg will be too much IMO. you want the experience to be fun and memerable not him laying in a heap on the floor unable to move.

 

[deano88]

I don't know if anyone said this yet but....

200mg might be OK for you to take since you seem to be experienced with MDMA but I wouldn't give that much to your friend who you are intorducing to E. 200mg will be too much IMO. you want the experience to be fun and memerable not him laying in a heap on the floor unable to move.

surely 200mg wont do that?

 

[AylaV]

perhaps, i don't recall either. same as you, i think all those ecstasiez are blowing holes in my brain lol. Ann Shulgin has a great paper that states the desired "peak times" of mdma' mechanism of serotonin release versus the less-desired dopamine release. i'll find a link and post it but i need to dig through erowid for it

one way to spread out the enjoyable serotonin release of mdma is to increase the alkalinity of your stomach. eating about 2g calcium carbonate (4 regular tums if i remember correctly) about 10 min's before dropping the roll caused the roll to last much longer. i didn't come up with this technique, it's plastered across the internet and decided to give it a go. i found that i needed more mdma than normal to reach where i wanted to be, ie: i had to take 200mg to achieve the same feeling that 150mg would provide. however i found the following to be true for me and my wife taking pure mdma hcl with a stomach full of 2g calcium carbonate (tums):

*it took longer to hit
*when it hit, it didn't hit like a freight train like it normally does it came on slow. it continued a slow onset for about an hour before a definite peak/plateau was noticed
*peaked for 6 hours (2 hours longer than just normal mdma hcl on an empty stomach, by itself)
*the comedown was verrrrrrry long and gentle. there was no sudden drop-off or "oh sh*t" moment like i normally get. it's at that point i feel a strong urge to redose and must fight off the urge, i didn't get that urge this time.
*sleep came very easy, drifted between eyes closed dreamworld and actual sleep at some point, woke up 2 hours later, eye still dilated and rolling. walking to the bathroom was still a bit more difficult than it should be. after 20 min's i was asleep again and slept for 6 hours or so
*woke up after those 6 hours, eyes slightly dilated, feel really good and rolly still. pretty much baseline but i'd say i felt more rolly and not so much an afterglow (by that i mean the feeling was stronger than a typical afterglow and i felt like i was partially still rolling, but sober enough to function somewhat)
*felt way more "wiped out" the day after than normal, we found it hard to leave the bed much that day but it was pleasant

not sure quite what to think of it but the whole experience was almost like time-release in a sense. it was enjoyable but i'd say for anyone wanting to try this to dose a bit higher than normal because of the slow absorption. not sure if i'll repeat it or not but it was interesting. dosing normally provided a stronger rush for sure, but i did like the super slow comedown here and not the harsh drop-off. i still prefer good old mdma hcl on an empty stomach but figured i'd throw this out there.

I'm having trouble finding a reliable source for this method.. seems like internet rumours to me. How would changing the pH of the stomach influence duration of effects? The concept sounds intriguing :D I'll give it a shot and see what happens. I have plenty of tums and was thinking about doing some MDMA in a week or so anyway. =)

 

[RGB]

Thanks for the veritable wealth of information, poopstation -- I think I'd read that article somewhere along the way but I'd totally forgotten the source and it just ended up in the heap of random MDMA facts in my head. 8) Thanks too for the personal experimentation with stomach acidity...can't ever have too much firsthand investigation with these things. :D I think I'll try that the next time I roll, too...I much prefer the serenity and empathy of rolling to the sweaty, jaw-clenching craziness.

 

[Bearlove]

surely 200mg wont do that?

I could quite easily have him flat on his back - for a first time experience then more than 100mgs could feel uncomfortable.

Much rather him take half of the amount and then if 'he' wants more he can.

 

[poopstation]

I'm having trouble finding a reliable source for this method.. seems like internet rumours to me. How would changing the pH of the stomach influence duration of effects? The concept sounds intriguing :D I'll give it a shot and see what happens. I have plenty of tums and was thinking about doing some MDMA in a week or so anyway. =)

i haven't read anything that i can really cite as a reliable source on it but the concept is pretty simple. calcium carbonate (tums) is a weak base, consuming it will raise the ph of your stomach. when mdma hcl is in a solution with a high ph, depending on the ph, some of it will be converted to freebase form which is an oil and not water soluble. mdma hcl is highly water soluble, mdma freebase is not. so i'd assume that depending on the ph of your stomach, some of the mdma hcl is converted to freebase while the mdma hcl that is still in salt form is dissolved and ingested normally. the freebased mdma will hang around until the ph of your stomach lowers and it becomes a salt again and your body begins to digest it normally too. this is just an assumption on my behalf, but given that explanation one would assume the effect you'd get would be something more like a "time-release" mdma would be, which is exactly how i would explain the experience. it was interesting for something different but it will be less intense and longer lasting, so adjust your dosage accordingly if you want a certain rush. you'll notice a difference. personally i liked dropping it normally a bit better but i did enjoy the really slow comedown without the sharp drop-off. i remember the moment where i felt like i was coming down and thought "oh sh*t here we go" and awaiting the sharp drop-off that comes with the comedown, but it never happened. it was a smooth landing all the way. this was tested with pure mdma hcl, recrystallized from anhydrous IPA and the whole 9. normally for me, without redosing, it lasts 4 hours exactly with a rocket-ride of a come-up and a fairly sharp drop with a good glow afterwards. doing it with the tums was the slowest comedown i've ever had that didn't involve redosing

if you look at this erowid page
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_effects.shtml
you'll see the intense come-up, then a fairly sharp drop-off. with taking that 2g of calcium carbonate (tums) 10 min's before the mdma it was a much slower climb up and much slower drop-off with a less intense peak. it was more of a rolling hill instead of a mountain with sharp cliffs, hopefully that paints decent imagery of what to expect lol